US proposes Security Council resolution backing temporary ceasefire to stymie Rafah push

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Amid escalating tensions in the Israel-Hamas conflict, the United States has introduced a fresh resolution at the United Nations Security Council, aiming to facilitate a temporary ceasefire in Gaza. The move comes as part of ongoing diplomatic efforts to address the humanitarian crisis and prevent further civilian casualties in the region.

 

The proposed resolution, seen by Reuters on Monday, underscores the urgent need for a pause in hostilities, emphasizing the release of hostages as a key condition for the ceasefire. This initiative reflects recent discussions between US President Joe Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, where similar language was employed to address the situation.

 

Of particular concern is Israel's planned expansion of its offensive into Rafah, a densely populated area in southern Gaza. With over a million Palestinians seeking refuge in Rafah, there are fears that an escalation of the conflict in this region could exacerbate the humanitarian crisis. The US resolution warns against such a move, citing potential harm to civilians and further displacement as significant consequences.

 

Furthermore, the draft resolution highlights ongoing diplomatic efforts by Egypt and Qatar aimed at resolving the hostage crisis and alleviating civilian suffering through a humanitarian pause. It underscores the need for Israel to demonstrate a detailed plan to protect Palestinian civilians before proceeding with any offensive operations in Rafah. President Biden has made it clear that he does not support such actions while negotiations for the release of hostages are underway.

 

While the proposed resolution represents a significant diplomatic effort to address the crisis, its chances of passing in its current form remain uncertain. There is overwhelming support among Security Council members for a more permanent ceasefire, making it challenging to garner consensus on a temporary cessation of hostilities.

 

The US decision to present its own resolution comes in response to mounting international pressure for decisive action to end the conflict. However, the insistence on a temporary ceasefire underscores America's broader support for Israel's strategic objectives in dismantling Hamas and ensuring regional security.

 

In addition to the ceasefire proposal, the draft resolution condemns acts of sexual violence perpetrated by Hamas and expresses concerns about potential violence in Jerusalem and the West Bank. It reaffirms the vision of a two-state solution and emphasizes the importance of suppressing terrorism financing.

 

Overall, the introduction of the US resolution reflects ongoing diplomatic efforts to address the crisis in Gaza and pave the way for a more lasting peace. As the situation continues to unfold, the international community remains committed to finding a comprehensive solution that addresses the root causes of the conflict and promotes stability in the region.

 

20.02.24

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[Skipalongcassidy]

When it comes to foreign policy... if joe is for it... do the opposite.

[thaibeachlovers]

Hamas will likely refuse any "pause" involving the release of the hostages, when they know the slaughter will just carry on soon as the "pause" ends, and without hostages it will be many times worse than at present.

The US must know that, so IMO are just trying to make themselves look good.

When they stop sending bombs I'll know they are serious about an end to the conflict.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Social Media said:

As the situation continues to unfold, the international community remains committed to finding a comprehensive solution that addresses the root causes of the conflict and promotes stability in the region.

Just verbiage IMO. They know what is necessary- a permanent ceasefire, end of the occupation in the West Bank, removal of the illegal settlers and a Palestinian state not controlled by israel.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hamas will likely refuse any "pause" involving the release of the hostages, when they know the slaughter will just carry on soon as the "pause" ends, and without hostages it will be many times worse than at present.

The US must know that, so IMO are just trying to make themselves look good.

When they stop sending bombs I'll know they are serious about an end to the conflict.

Its more likely Hamas will refuse a pause because they have zero intention to release the hostages regardless. Why else put delusional demands in place? Did you forget what their leader have said about carrying this on again and again?

[retarius]

More hot air from the US. They have already told the world they support the genocide. Calling for a resolution that will include heavy responsibilities for Hamas and not be lasting asking for it to fail. I hope the world sees thorough it.

Biden's aides must have finally realised that he will end up in the wrong side of history and the US might be dragged into a complicity in a providing 2000lb cluster bombs and enabling genocide indictment at the ICJ. 

[WDSmart]

The problem here are the adjectives used to describe the ceasefire and the release of the hostages. This will only be accepted by Hamas if they are coupled as "temporary" and "partial," or "permanent" and "total." 

[billd766]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hamas will likely refuse any "pause" involving the release of the hostages, when they know the slaughter will just carry on soon as the "pause" ends, and without hostages it will be many times worse than at present.

The US must know that, so IMO are just trying to make themselves look good.

When they stop sending bombs I'll know they are serious about an end to the conflict.

When they stop sending bombs AND money.

[billd766]

11 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

The problem here are the adjectives used to describe the ceasefire and the release of the hostages. This will only be accepted by Hamas if they are coupled as "temporary" and "partial," or "permanent" and "total." 

Netanyahu and all his "war-mongering" cabinet will simply ignore that.

[Rimmer]

A post linking to an unapproved extreme right-biased conspiracy website known for false/misleading information has been removed.

[Neeranam]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just verbiage IMO. They know what is necessary- a permanent ceasefire, end of the occupation in the West Bank, removal of the illegal settlers and a Palestinian state not controlled by israel.

It's not asking for much.

 

The occupation of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, has been under Israeli military occupation since 1967, following the Six-Day War. Israel's occupation of the West Bank is probably illegal under international law.

 

HOW DO ISRAEL GET AWAY WITH ALL THESE CRIMES?

 

Hopefully justice will be done soon and the illegal Israelis will get out.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/un-icj-considers-legality-of-israels-occupation-of-west-bank/

[Bkk Brian]

10 hours ago, WDSmart said:

The problem here are the adjectives used to describe the ceasefire and the release of the hostages. This will only be accepted by Hamas if they are coupled as "temporary" and "partial," or "permanent" and "total." 

Hamas will except nothing unless its all on their terms, they are terrorists who broke the last ceasefire.

[Bkk Brian]

As expected..........

 

The US has vetoed a resolution at the UN demanding an immediate ceasefire in Gaza after proposing its own draft urging a temporary ceasefire.

Washington said the Algerian-proposed resolution would "jeopardise" talks to end the war.

The draft resolution proposed by the US calls for a temporary ceasefire "as soon as practicable" and on the condition that all hostages are released, as well as urging barriers on aid reaching Gaza to be lifted.

However, it is unclear if or when the Security Council will vote on the form of words proposed by Washington.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68346027

[Jeff the Chef]

33 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

As expected..........

 

The US has vetoed a resolution at the UN demanding an immediate ceasefire in Gaza after proposing its own draft urging a temporary ceasefire.

Washington said the Algerian-proposed resolution would "jeopardise" talks to end the war.

The draft resolution proposed by the US calls for a temporary ceasefire "as soon as practicable" and on the condition that all hostages are released, as well as urging barriers on aid reaching Gaza to be lifted.

However, it is unclear if or when the Security Council will vote on the form of words proposed by Washington.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68346027

The US are beginning to feel the International pressure from this: 

 

THE HAGUE, 9 February 2024. The International Court of Justice will hold public hearings
on the request for an advisory opinion in respect of the Legal Consequences arising from the Policies
and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, from
Monday 19 to Monday 26 February 2024 at the Peace Palace in The Hague, the seat of the Court.
Fifty-two States and three international organizations have expressed their intention to
participate in the oral proceedings before the Court. 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The US are beginning to feel the International pressure from this: 

 

THE HAGUE, 9 February 2024. The International Court of Justice will hold public hearings
on the request for an advisory opinion in respect of the Legal Consequences arising from the Policies
and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, from
Monday 19 to Monday 26 February 2024 at the Peace Palace in The Hague, the seat of the Court.
Fifty-two States and three international organizations have expressed their intention to
participate in the oral proceedings before the Court. 

The US are beginning to feel the International pressure from this: 

 

Not noticed the US or anyone else feeling pressure from it, the hearings are not finished and it just ends up with more advisory opinions. Can you link to some reports of the US feeling pressure?

[Jeff the Chef]

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The US are beginning to feel the International pressure from this: 

 

Not noticed the US or anyone else feeling pressure from it, the hearings are not finished and it just ends up with more advisory opinions. Can you link to some reports of the US feeling pressure?

Arab Americans feel 'a bone-deep sense of betrayal.' And they want Joe Biden defeated in 2024

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/02/17/biden-israel-support-cost-arab-american-vote/72506837007/

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Arab Americans feel 'a bone-deep sense of betrayal.' And they want Joe Biden defeated in 2024

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/02/17/biden-israel-support-cost-arab-american-vote/72506837007/

So absolutely nothing to do with an ICJ advisory opinion due in about six months then.............

[Jeff the Chef]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

So absolutely nothing to do with an ICJ advisory opinion due in about six months then.............

You can think that I suppose, but overall it doesn't help the US on the International stage, having watched the majority of the statements made at the ICJ this week.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

You can think that I suppose, but overall it doesn't help the US on the International stage, having watched the majority of the statements made at the ICJ this week.

Must have been interesting for you, wake me up in six months to see that the judges opinion is

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

You can think that I suppose, but overall it doesn't help the US on the International stage, having watched the majority of the statements made at the ICJ this week.

One wonders just how much opposition the US has to get before it wakes up and realises that just about all the world is against them on this situation. Seems that they are willing to go down with the SS Israel as it sinks in a sea of opprobrium.

 

I half way feel sorry for the American on the Security Council as she vetoes yet another resolution, as she must know the disdain the other members ( less their poodle Britain ) have for her. Only half way though as she could decline to be spokesperson.

[retarius]

Shameful US vetoes for a this time a humanitarian ceasefire proposed by Algeria. 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, retarius said:

Shameful US vetoes for a this time a humanitarian ceasefire proposed by Algeria. 

Why, you don't want to hostages released as well?

[Jeff the Chef]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why, you don't want to hostages released as well?

Love to see the hostages released, very easy to do for Israel, a full ceasefire and proper negotiations for a Palestinian State.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Love to see the hostages released, very easy to do for Israel, a full ceasefire and proper negotiations for a Palestinian State.

Said Hamas the terrorists meanwhile the Security Council and ICJ says release them immediately with no pre conditions.

[Jeff the Chef]

20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Said Hamas the terrorists meanwhile the Security Council and ICJ says release them immediately with no pre conditions.

What the ICJ actually said:

 

The Court deems it necessary to emphasize that all parties to the conflict in the Gaza Strip
are bound by international humanitarian law. It is gravely concerned about the fate of the hostages
abducted during the attack in Israel on 7 October 2023 and held since then by Hamas and other armed
groups, and calls for their immediate and unconditional release.

 

It then went on to say:

 

The State of Israel shall, in accordance with its obligations under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, in relation to Palestinians in Gaza, take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of this Convention, in particular:
(a) killing members of the group;
(b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical
destruction in whole or in part; and
(d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

 

It then said:

 

The State of Israel shall ensure with immediate effect that its military does not commit any acts described in point 1 above;

 

All the above taken from the ICJ Website:

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240126-ord-01-00-en.pdf

 

So, dear Brian, what comes first the Chicken or the Egg?

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

What the ICJ actually said:

 

The Court deems it necessary to emphasize that all parties to the conflict in the Gaza Strip
are bound by international humanitarian law. It is gravely concerned about the fate of the hostages
abducted during the attack in Israel on 7 October 2023 and held since then by Hamas and other armed
groups, and calls for their immediate and unconditional release.

 

It then went on to say:

 

The State of Israel shall, in accordance with its obligations under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, in relation to Palestinians in Gaza, take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of this Convention, in particular:
(a) killing members of the group;
(b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical
destruction in whole or in part; and
(d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

 

It then said:

 

The State of Israel shall ensure with immediate effect that its military does not commit any acts described in point 1 above;

 

All the above taken from the ICJ Website:

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240126-ord-01-00-en.pdf

 

So, dear Brian, what comes first the Chicken or the Egg?

 

 

Well yes, we were talking about the hostages, I wouldn't have said it if it wasn't true but thanks for the confirmation:

 

"calls for their immediate and unconditional release." 

 

Would you also like to quote the Security Council resolution where it says the same thing?

[Jeff the Chef]

35 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well yes, we were talking about the hostages, I wouldn't have said it if it wasn't true but thanks for the confirmation:

 

"calls for their immediate and unconditional release." 

 

Would you also like to quote the Security Council resolution where it says the same thing?

 

Found these 2 resolutions for you, both mention the unconditional release of hostages do you just want to cherry pick that part and ignore the rest?

 

15thNovember2023 https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n23/359/02/pdf/n2335902.pdf?token=33sNgqVQR7hjSMlrlw&fe=true

 

21stDecember2023 https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n23/424/87/pdf/n2342487.pdf?token=QeeDvwXvvy2lxva6gO&fe=true

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Found these 2 resolutions for you, both mention the unconditional release of hostages do you just want to cherry pick that part and ignore the rest?

 

15thNovember2023 https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n23/359/02/pdf/n2335902.pdf?token=33sNgqVQR7hjSMlrlw&fe=true

 

21stDecember2023 https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n23/424/87/pdf/n2342487.pdf?token=QeeDvwXvvy2lxva6gO&fe=true

No, its not really cherry picking, it was headline news and also pretty important stuff, especially for the hostages and peace

 

Adopting Resolution 2712 (2023), Security Council Calls for ‘Urgent and Extended’ Humanitarian Pauses in Gaza, Immediate Release of Hostages

https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15496.doc.htm

 

 

 

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

One wonders just how much opposition the US has to get before it wakes up and realises that just about all the world is against them on this situation. Seems that they are willing to go down with the SS Israel as it sinks in a sea of opprobrium.

 

I half way feel sorry for the American on the Security Council as she vetoes yet another resolution, as she must know the disdain the other members ( less their poodle Britain ) have for her. Only half way though as she could decline to be spokesperson.

You are right, almost all the world, bar Israelis and people with religious ties to Israel.

 

I don't feel sorry for her, she has no integrity.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

You are right, almost all the world, bar Israelis and people with religious ties to Israel.

 

I don't feel sorry for her, she has no integrity.

How will the war end with Hamas in control of Gaza?