Controversy erupts as Thai doctors clash over mRNA vaccine effect

[proton]

39 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

I did my research!  He's a 'doctor' much like Kent Hovind qualified to call himself Dr. Dino.

 

 

From what I found on the intertubes, he had a moderately unsuccessful YouTube channel before the covids, who then found pandering to tinfoil nutjob conspiracy theorists by quote-mining and mischaracterizing studies got more clicks.

 

Spot on, some see 'Dr' and 'Phd' and think that's an unquestionable source, no matter how far away his research was years ago from what he's talking about today. Digital media and teaching have nothing to do with corona viruses or vaccines. Campbell is just another digital opportunist cashing in on peoples worries.

[DavisH]

13 hours ago, JensenZ said:

 

 

70M+ excess deaths followed the 1918 pandemic. And not one vaccine was given. 

Cambpell is just trying  to stay relevant - he's making money and doesn't want to lose subscribers. 

[ballpoint]

6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

from your link:

 

"Still, the team says the absolute risk of developing any one of the condition remains small. For instance, 13 billion doses of vaccines have been administered and there have only been 2,000 cases of all conditions."

 

This may be less than for unvaccinated people.

 

His link also says:

 

"Researchers in Israel spotted 2.7 extra cases of myocarditis per 100,000 people who were injected with the Pfizer vaccine, but this shot up to 11 additional cases for every 100,000 individuals who caught the virus" indicating catching Covid gives a 4x greater chance of myocarditis than taking the Pfizer vaccine.

 

And the following summary of the "largest Covid vaccine research" that he posted.  Tells quite a different story than the one he intended:

 

 

Largest Covid vaccine study ever finds shots are linked to small increased risk of neurological, blood and heart disorders - but they are still extremely rare | Daily Mail Online

[dinsdale]

3 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Spot on, some see 'Dr' and 'Phd' and think that's an unquestionable source, no matter how far away his research was years ago from what he's talking about today. Digital media and teaching have nothing to do with corona viruses or vaccines. Campbell is just another digital opportunist cashing in on peoples worries.

He teaches or taught clinical nursing. Part of this of course would be viruses, bacteria and vaccines and how they work. I am 100% sure that his knowledge in this regard far, far outweighs yours.

[dinsdale]

30 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

If doctors recommend them, sure.

Depends who you are, where you are and who's the doctor but there's a good chance that if your healthy and have no serious underlying health issues doctors won't recommend them. USA may be different. I think they still recommend jabs for babies. 

Edited February 21 by dinsdale

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Depends who you are and where you are but there's a good chance that if your healthy and have no serious underlying health issues doctors won't recommend them. USA may be different. I think they still recommend jabs for babies. 

 

BS. The only covid vaccines that were ever contraindicated were the non mRNA vaccines.

Edited February 21 by ozimoron

[Danderman123]

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

He teaches or taught clinical nursing. Part of this of course would be viruses, bacteria and vaccines and how they work. I am 100% sure that his knowledge in this regard far, far outweighs yours.

Beware of "experts" operating outside their field.

[proton]

16 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

He teaches or taught clinical nursing. Part of this of course would be viruses, bacteria and vaccines and how they work. I am 100% sure that his knowledge in this regard far, far outweighs yours.

Yours also, but he's no expert and you are just speculating what his teaching consisted of.

[James105]

27 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You are joking? Google excess deaths. Go look at our world in data or worldometer. Think for yourself. Investigate. Research.

 

The excess deaths following the massive over reaction to covid was predictable.   Countries have overspent massively shutting down economies in order to prevent the very old or very unhealthy from dying of "the final straw" (also known as covid) which led to increased poverty - a genuine killer.   Hospitals that were diagnosing cancer or heart disease early stopped doing that in order to become covid centers and tiktok video production studios, meaning that by the time they got around to diagnosing treatable diseases, they were untreatable.  

 

Did the vaccines contribute in any meaningful way to this figure?  Who knows, but it would require the idiotic governments who absolved Big Pharma of any liability to instigate some kind of investigation, and the scientists (no doubt funded by Big Pharma) to carry it out, so it would be a complete waste of time to spend even more millions on something that is already drafted to say "safe and effective and climate change is responsible" for any excess deaths.  

[dinsdale]

12 minutes ago, proton said:

Yours also, but he's no expert and you are just speculating what his teaching consisted of.

 

12 minutes ago, proton said:

Yours also, but he's no expert and you are just speculating what his teaching consisted of.

Sorry about the double quote.

If you have a PhD it puts you in the field of expert. 

An expert can be believed, by virtue of credentials, training, education, profession, publication or experience, to have special knowledge of a subject beyond that of the average person, sufficient that others may officially (and legally) rely upon the individual's opinion on that topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expert

Campbell has all of the above. 

By the way he has had professors on his channel. Now please say they are not experts.

Edited February 21 by dinsdale

[Denim]

Nurse Campbell......the ultimate clot.

 

Facebook...new testement,  wiki old testement. 

 

Science at its best.

[Dolf]

No vaccine has a high death rate. All very small, less than the actual diseases. 

 

If you believe otherwise why aren't people dropping like flies?

[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, Dolf said:

No vaccine has a high death rate. All very small, less than the actual diseases. 

 

If you believe otherwise why aren't people dropping like flies?

Ah! But maybe some have a higher death rate and injury rate than others. As for people dropping like flies there should be no people dropping at all. Again it would be interesting to know what is causing excess deaths around the world. Something not being investigated by governments. Back to the OP it would also be interesting to know what's causing these rubbery, white clots found in arteries.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Ah! But maybe some have a higher death rate and injury rate than others. As for people dropping like flies there should be no people dropping at all. Again it would be interesting to know what is causing excess deaths around the world. Something not being investigated by governments. Back to the OP it would also be interesting to know what's causing these rubbery, white clots found in arteries.

 

Large numbers of people are dropping dead all over the world from unknown causes and governments aren't investigating? Follow the white rabbit! LOL

[NorthernRyland]

3 hours ago, pomchop said:

you mean the maga morons who drank bleach and stuck a light up their butts or the excess deaths caused by people refusing the vaccines?

that was typical propaganda aimed at the public to demonize their critics. It's amazing how people who were skeptical of pharmaceutical corporations their whole life line up for their new hastily tested product. Not as if they ever settled class action lawsuits for previously dangerous drugs. It can't happen this time I'm sure.

[NorthernRyland]

49 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Beware of "experts" operating outside their field.

also "the experts" as portrayed by corporate and government controlled media.

[Dolf]

13 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Ah! But maybe some have a higher death rate and injury rate than others. As for people dropping like flies there should be no people dropping at all. Again it would be interesting to know what is causing excess deaths around the world. Something not being investigated by governments. Back to the OP it would also be interesting to know what's causing these rubbery, white clots found in arteries.

All medicines can kill. Even water can kill you. Why aren't they investigating water? 

[Danderman123]

2 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

also "the experts" as portrayed by corporate and government controlled media.

There is thing called "Science" that experts tend to use.

 

Cherrypicking science reports itself isn't science, especially if the message from that cherrypicking isn't supported by the cited report. The number of serious side effects from Covid vaccines is tiny, compared with the major side effect from not being vaccinated: death.

[Danderman123]

7 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

that was typical propaganda aimed at the public to demonize their critics. It's amazing how people who were skeptical of pharmaceutical corporations their whole life line up for their new hastily tested product. Not as if they ever settled class action lawsuits for previously dangerous drugs. It can't happen this time I'm sure.

So all pharmaceuticals are bad?

[Celsius]

3 hours ago, Peabody said:

Maybe true: white clots yada yada.

Definitely true: COVID kills

 

oh no

[Danderman123]

20 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

 Again it would be interesting to know what is causing excess deaths around the world. Something not being investigated by governments. Back to the OP it would also be interesting to know what's causing these rubbery, white clots found in arteries.

 

Please supply evidence of large numbers of vaccinated people with white clots.

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, Dolf said:

All medicines can kill. Even water can kill you. Why aren't they investigating water? 

All medicines come with warnings and dosage. Correct use should not kill. p.s. putting a laughing emoji at the end of your own comment doesn't make it funny. More of a reflection on the poster.

[Danderman123]

Just now, Celsius said:

 

oh no

What's the ratio between deaths from Covid vaccines vs deaths from Covid?

[Celsius]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

What's the ratio between deaths from Covid vaccines vs deaths from Covid?

 

I don't know.

 

I got 2 shots. I think it's enough.

 

I go by the flow. I am neither supporter or denier. I accept there are issues with the vaccine.

[dinsdale]

10 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

 

Please supply evidence of large numbers of vaccinated people with white clots.

Please show where I said "large numbers".

This is the relevant part of my post. "...it would also be interesting to know what's causing these rubbery, white clots found in arteries." Very puerile and definitely against the spirit of this forum to be misquoting someone. ... What they are of course is yet to be determined.

 

[Dolf]

7 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

All medicines come with warnings and dosage. Correct use should not kill. p.s. putting a laughing emoji at the end of your own comment doesn't make it funny. More of a reflection on the poster.

Then you should never get any vaccines. None are 100% safe. 

[Dolf]

10 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Please show where I said "large numbers".

This is the relevant part of my post. "...it would also be interesting to know what's causing these rubbery, white clots found in arteries." Very puerile and definitely against the spirit of this forum to be misquoting someone. What they are of course is yet to be determined.

 

 

Not interesting at all. So many millions got the vaccine and didn't die.

 

 

[dinsdale]

7 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

What's the ratio between deaths from Covid vaccines vs deaths from Covid?

Not the point. The vaccines we are told are safe and effective. People dying and being injured certainly questions the safety aspect.

[dinsdale]

8 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Not interesting at all. So many millions got the vaccine and didn't die.

 

 

Not sure about the varacity of these numbers but it is interesting.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-001201_EN.html

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) reported that 11 448 people have died in the EU following COVID-19 vaccines[1],

8 368 following Pfizer BioNTech vaccinations (which is 1 345 more deaths in 2022).

1 579 following AstraZeneca vaccinations.

1 161 following Moderna vaccinations.

339 following Janssen vaccinations.

1 following Nuvaxovid vaccinations.

0 following (inactivated, adjuvanted) Valneva vaccinations.

[Dolf]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Not sure about the varacity of these numbers but it is interesting.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-001201_EN.html

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) reported that 11 448 people have died in the EU following COVID-19 vaccines[1],

8 368 following Pfizer BioNTech vaccinations (which is 1 345 more deaths in 2022).

1 579 following AstraZeneca vaccinations.

1 161 following Moderna vaccinations.

339 following Janssen vaccinations.

1 following Nuvaxovid vaccinations.

0 following (inactivated, adjuvanted) Valneva vaccinations.

I had Moderna after reading it offered the best protection and was safe. 1161 out of millions is low.