The prospect of a second Trump presidency has the intelligence community on edge

[TroubleandGrumpy]

1 hour ago, Roo Island said:

Woke is a political term created by the far right to fire up the masses. A dog whistle.

FIXED YOUR MISTAKE - Trump is a Nazi is a political term created by the far left to fire up the masses. A dog whistle.

But I cannot fix the cognitive bias.

[scottiejohn]

29 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Not at all. You started in this thread with a cheap shot on Page 1, and you're taking another cheap shot now.

As usual!

Worst of all it cannot even shoot straight, cheap or not!

[heybruce]

This topic is racing ahead too fast for me to bother to try and keep up.

 

When was the last time there was an on-topic post?

[scottiejohn]

32 minutes ago, candide said:

MAGA alternate universe anyone? 😀

Yes Please!

I wonder which Musk(y) Space(X) MEGA rich person could we get to do the transporting?

[johng]

22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Troll bait ignored 

See you didn't answer the question again...but resort to  name calling.

[scottiejohn]

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

When was the last time there was an on-topic post?

About what?

😆

Oops I have just remembered, see my post re Trump above.

 

Is that back on topic enough for you?

[TroubleandGrumpy]

1 hour ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Putting aside the  concerns about the 2020 election, which hopefully you can acknowledge are extremely tenuous at best, you say you go for Trump because Democrats are too woke and politically correct and are tearing down the values you hold dear. Are there 5 Biden policies you can point too that are woke -  preferably that would  affect your life if you were in America. This is Biden policies not some obscure Democrat with no power.

The only area I can see as a bit wokish is with the border control but that's been an issue with both sides. One side talking the talk but happy I think with cheap labour. 

But what are these overwhelming Biden woke policies that make you turn to a doofus like Trump. 

I agree about 2020 because it is ridiculous to expect that an election that has been certified can be over-turned - the only way to do that would be to have every single person state exactly who they voted for and then add them up. Trump should have accepted the result, but stated clearly he had serious doubts about its integrity, and then moved on to winning the next election with a promise of massive national voting process regulation changes (which he will implement IMO). 

 

What you are missing with that question about woke stuff, is that the reason people voted for Trump was because of the woke stuff - which has gotten even worse.  It is not a matetr of whther the woke stuff is right or not, or whether it is a major problem or not. The issue is the US people voted against it - just like people have all over the world recently. I could name woke things that the Biden admin has done, like all the diversity hires, and shutting down oil production, and the teaching of gay sex in schools, and many others besides the border as you recognise, but the issue is broader than just the Biden admin.  The issue is the spread of the woke progressive policies across the globe since the 80s, which the US people voted against because of what they see it has done to their values and morals and economy.  People did not all vote for Trump - IMO the majority voted against what the Democrats supported happenning.  This thinly disguised attempt by the Democrats to back down on the border now is being seen by the US people as merely political expediency trying to save their rear ends. Trump predicted they would do it if he lost (and many other things) and the Democrats did it (and many other things Trump predicted they would do).  The same thing will happen in 2024 IMO - the US people have had enough of the woke progressive globalists and those taking advantage of it all (the swamp). 

[Lacessit]

18 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I agree about 2020 because it is ridiculous to expect that an election that has been certified can be over-turned - the only way to do that would be to have every single person state exactly who they voted for and then add them up. Trump should have accepted the result, but stated clearly he had serious doubts about its integrity, and then moved on to winning the next election with a promise of massive national voting process regulation changes (which he will implement IMO). 

 

 

There is no doubt Trump will act to disenfranchise opposition minority groups, in line with what the GOP is attempting to do now. Before you get too far ahead of yourself.........

 

 

 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

57 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The Dem Party is not radical far left. This was the type of scare tactics employed by Trump to motivate his supporters. Biden is center left and the party is a diverse, socially progressive that support civil rights legislation, protection for women, people of color, LGNTQ, disable, climate change and nayive American tribes. The worse thing to happen is to fall behind Kennedy who is a independent. The man is conflicted with diverse views of traditionally, liberal, conservative mixed with some conspiracy theories. He is one of yours and will steal votes from Trump. 

 

You seem quite a reasonable guy until you start to blatter about stolen election, classified documents and list of other stuffs. Simply put, Trump broke the law and no one is above the law. And you hope Trump win to have 'tears down the far left" even though you agreed that he is an incompetent idiot. Hard to take you serious.                                                 

You are, like the other guy, failing to see my point - it is not about woke progressives being right or wrong in mine or your opinions - it is about what the majority of voters of USA believe.  My mentioning of those matters (documents, clinton emails, etc) was meant to show issues that the US people see as duplicitous and one rule for the left and one rule for the right  - here is another one - Biden's mental health.  Trump is/was attacked mercilessly abouyt that issue, but Biden has been given a 'free pass' - in fact a ruling/claim was made that he is too mentally frial to face charges - mentioned under impeachment proceedings I believe. 

 

I will say this - you confuse political outcomes with political personality.  Trump might be an idiot, buit the truth is that most politicians are idiots - he just 'shows' it more than most. Plus he has a personality that is not really condusive to politics - where the highes form of the art is smiling in someone's face while you stab them in the back - as per the master Obama. The outcomes that Trump can and probably will achieve are the restoration of balance away from the left - that power is evident when you state something like this "the party is a diverse, socially progressive that support civil rights legislation, protection for women, people of color, LGNTQ, disable, climate change and nayive American tribes".  You made that statement is the utter belief that those are not woke progressive issues - when the truth is that they are - very much so.  Let me give you an example - University students were interviewed about how little taxes the wealthy pay in USA. Every signle one of them agreed it was wrong and wanted them to pay much more.  They were then advised that the top 1% of earners in USA pay 40% of the total taxes. They were also told that the top 20% of earners pay almost 100% of the taxes. They did not know - that is the power of the far left - they have convinced people that the rich dont pay enough taxes.  They are the same ones who say Trump is bad because he is rich - and the problem in USA (and world) nowadays is that their 'message' is far too easily believed. Their power of manipulation and persuasion has become far too great - and that (plus other related things) need to be torn down - and Trump will do that if.when the people of USA vote for him in 2024. The Democrats and their allies are extremely scared - they are throwing everything they can at him to stop him running - but all they are dopng is giving him more ammunition to show that they have too much power and need to be torn down.   

 

 

[heybruce]

21 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

About what?

😆

Oops I have just remembered, see my post re Trump above.

 

Is that back on topic enough for you?

No.  I went to the top of the page and didn't see anything addressing the topic "The prospect of a second Trump presidency has the intelligence community on edge".

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Not at all. You started in this thread with a cheap shot on Page 1, and you're taking another cheap shot now.

Were you guys coddled as toddlers? I'm having a hard time understanding all these theatrics over a few posts.

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and posts with trolling memes contravening our Community Standards and the replies have been removed.

[Lacessit]

14 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Were you guys coddled as toddlers? I'm having a hard time understanding all these theatrics over a few posts.

I don't think so. I used to scavenge copper, aluminium, brass and lead at the local garbage tip as a kid, which paid for my first bicycle and set of golf clubs.

 

If you want to take a shot at my age, go ahead. Assuming you even get to the same age, IMO you'll be under-qualified for the job of village idiot.

[riclag]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That's a long post with many claims against Trump, but, in contravention of the forum rules, not a single shred of proof other than your opinion.

Thats a triple bingo, congratulations , this one just made

my ignore list 

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, riclag said:

Thats a triple bingo, congratulations , this one just made

my ignore list 

Maybe the poster you have put on ignore will regard that as a badge of honor.

[riclag]

7 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Mate it is as if the left are so blind that they cannot see that their 'reality' is falling apart all over the world. Right win conservative governments are being elected everywhere - because law and order and economic strength is more important to people than the feeelings of fringe elements in society or the idiocy of environmentalists tryinh to 'save the planet' by killing people and economies.  But reality will eventually win out - it was inevitable - all the things we righties have been saying would happen for decades are happenning. 

 

Look lefties this is an example of reality - the reality that us righties see a lot more clearly than yourselves.  USA and Europe - they are illegal invaders that should all be arrested and deported - they are not refugees 'seeking safety from wars and death'.  You want to see what those people look like - face west and look at what is coming our of Myanmar - that is what refugees look like - and what have you been doign about that - nothing - why - because you are 'followers of a narrative' and you have not been told to follow that issue.  More and more people are seeing reality and listening to the righties - and as soon as they do that they realiseand say to themselves 'WTF". Pandering to minorities and throwing human rights (and money) at people with problems is not how to solve a problem.  Start thinking critically - stop believing the BS - you have to want to see reality to see it - grow up and stop being a child - unicorns and utopia are not real  - it is all a lie - we will all do what is best for ourselves and our families - we cannot save all the people and the planet does not need us to save it - grow up dammit.  

 

“Mate it is as if the left are so blind that they cannot see that their 'reality' is falling apart all over the world”.

Its called  gaslighting spin ,the radical left failed  miserably but others like

a devout Trump hater or a  cultural Marxist would deny the reality .

 

imop

[Roo Island]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

If you want proof then you must offer same. You offered no proof, so it was just opinion.

 

My link offered proof. Go back and read it

[scottiejohn]

11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Maybe the poster you have put on ignore will regard that as a badge of honor.

I don't believe that posters like "it" would know what honour meant!

[Roo Island]

1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

FIXED YOUR MISTAKE - Trump is a Nazi is a political term created by the far left to fire up the masses. A dog whistle.

But I cannot fix the cognitive bias.

Trump has already said he wants to ditch the constitution. Isn't that what Hitler did? Not very democratic. But I can not fix cognitive bias.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4168261-trump-called-for-termination-of-parts-of-constitution-in-december/

 

Trump called for ‘termination’ of parts of Constitution in December

[Roo Island]

1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I agree about 2020 because it is ridiculous to expect that an election that has been certified can be over-turned - the only way to do that would be to have every single person state exactly who they voted for and then add them up. Trump should have accepted the result, but stated clearly he had serious doubts about its integrity, and then moved on to winning the next election with a promise of massive national voting process regulation changes (which he will implement IMO). 

 

What you are missing with that question about woke stuff, is that the reason people voted for Trump was because of the woke stuff - which has gotten even worse.  It is not a matetr of whther the woke stuff is right or not, or whether it is a major problem or not. The issue is the US people voted against it - just like people have all over the world recently. I could name woke things that the Biden admin has done, like all the diversity hires, and shutting down oil production, and the teaching of gay sex in schools, and many others besides the border as you recognise, but the issue is broader than just the Biden admin.  The issue is the spread of the woke progressive policies across the globe since the 80s, which the US people voted against because of what they see it has done to their values and morals and economy.  People did not all vote for Trump - IMO the majority voted against what the Democrats supported happenning.  This thinly disguised attempt by the Democrats to back down on the border now is being seen by the US people as merely political expediency trying to save their rear ends. Trump predicted they would do it if he lost (and many other things) and the Democrats did it (and many other things Trump predicted they would do).  The same thing will happen in 2024 IMO - the US people have had enough of the woke progressive globalists and those taking advantage of it all (the swamp). 

Good gosh. Woke is a dog whistle for the far right.

[scottiejohn]

3 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Trump has already said he wants to ditch the constitution. Isn't that what Hitler did? Not very democratic. But I can not fix cognitive bias.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4168261-trump-called-for-termination-of-parts-of-constitution-in-december/

 

Trump called for ‘termination’ of parts of Constitution in December

The problem with your link is that it only goes to someone saying Trump said those comments re the constitution and then the link "quotes" his rebuttal"

 I am no Tumpeteer but please link to where he actually made those comments and NOT where someone said he said!

[candide]

1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I agree about 2020 because it is ridiculous to expect that an election that has been certified can be over-turned - the only way to do that would be to have every single person state exactly who they voted for and then add them up. Trump should have accepted the result, but stated clearly he had serious doubts about its integrity, and then moved on to winning the next election with a promise of massive national voting process regulation changes (which he will implement IMO). 

 

What you are missing with that question about woke stuff, is that the reason people voted for Trump was because of the woke stuff - which has gotten even worse.  It is not a matetr of whther the woke stuff is right or not, or whether it is a major problem or not. The issue is the US people voted against it - just like people have all over the world recently. I could name woke things that the Biden admin has done, like all the diversity hires, and shutting down oil production, and the teaching of gay sex in schools, and many others besides the border as you recognise, but the issue is broader than just the Biden admin.  The issue is the spread of the woke progressive policies across the globe since the 80s, which the US people voted against because of what they see it has done to their values and morals and economy.  People did not all vote for Trump - IMO the majority voted against what the Democrats supported happenning.  This thinly disguised attempt by the Democrats to back down on the border now is being seen by the US people as merely political expediency trying to save their rear ends. Trump predicted they would do it if he lost (and many other things) and the Democrats did it (and many other things Trump predicted they would do).  The same thing will happen in 2024 IMO - the US people have had enough of the woke progressive globalists and those taking advantage of it all (the swamp). 

A soft version of the big lie? 😀

 

What you are missing is that:

- there has been no massive voter fraud in 2020, so there is no need for a massive regulation change,

- evidence has surfaced that Trump knew he had lost.

 

 

[riclag]

8 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Mate it is as if the left are so blind that they cannot see that their 'reality' is falling apart all over the world. Right win conservative governments are being elected everywhere - because law and order and economic strength is more important to people than the feeelings of fringe elements in society or the idiocy of environmentalists tryinh to 'save the planet' by killing people and economies.  But reality will eventually win out - it was inevitable - all the things we righties have been saying would happen for decades are happenning. 

 

Look lefties this is an example of reality - the reality that us righties see a lot more clearly than yourselves.  USA and Europe - they are illegal invaders that should all be arrested and deported - they are not refugees 'seeking safety from wars and death'.  You want to see what those people look like - face west and look at what is coming our of Myanmar - that is what refugees look like - and what have you been doign about that - nothing - why - because you are 'followers of a narrative' and you have not been told to follow that issue.  More and more people are seeing reality and listening to the righties - and as soon as they do that they realiseand say to themselves 'WTF". Pandering to minorities and throwing human rights (and money) at people with problems is not how to solve a problem.  Start thinking critically - stop believing the BS - you have to want to see reality to see it - grow up and stop being a child - unicorns and utopia are not real  - it is all a lie - we will all do what is best for ourselves and our families - we cannot save all the people and the planet does not need us to save it - grow up dammit.  

Brilliantly said,

Safety First hasn’t occurred to the radicals and their leader of the Woke movement, Surge the border the fool said!

Eventually,The Response by Intel,

Its just a question of when(terrorism)!

 

Hope Wray last long enough to stand in front of the American people to explain their ineptness.

 

 Director Wray even confirmed joint terrorism task forces in all 56 of the agency’s field offices are occupied with threats coming across the border.

https://homeland.house.gov/2023/11/15/fbi-director-wray-confirms-the-border-crisis-poses-major-homeland-security-threat-dhs-secretary-mayorkas-stonewalls/

 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2021/03/24/column-biden-called-for-the-border-surge-and-now-he-owns-it/

 

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

Brilliant said,

Safety First hasn’t occurred to the radicals and their leader of the Woke movement, Surge the border the fool said!

Eventually,The Response by Intel,

Its just a question of when(terrorism)!

 

Hope Wray last long enough to stand in front of the American people to explain their ineptness.

 

 Director Wray even confirmed joint terrorism task forces in all 56 of the agency’s field offices are occupied with threats coming across the border.

https://homeland.house.gov/2023/11/15/fbi-director-wray-confirms-the-border-crisis-poses-major-homeland-security-threat-dhs-secretary-mayorkas-stonewalls/

 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2021/03/24/column-biden-called-for-the-border-surge-and-now-he-owns-it/

 

Lay off the booze before posting, please.

Your post is a garbled mess.

[Dolf]

 Biden's argument now is Trump is almost as old as me. Biden is pathetic. Puppet for the deep state.

[riclag]

6 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

If you truly believe that you are being rational then you should fall in behind Kennedy and other Democrats that are trying hard to push back against the radical far left that has taken hold over the Party.  Your reasonable points alude to being a rational leftie, and it is you guys that need to get your Party back to the middle. As Elon so clearly conveyed, your Party has gone far left.   Another example - Invading the house of the ex President to recover documents allegedly stolen, only to have nothing happen as an outcome because nothing was 'stolen' or of a 'national security' level to warrant charges etc. And to then have nothing happen to the sitting President, when it was ascertained he had similar documents stored in his garage, speaks volumes about what the Democrat Party has become. If you want more, just look at the attempts being made by Democrat Judges to have Trump removed from the ballots for an allegation (insurrection) that has not been proven in a Court, but what is merely political rhetoric by the Democrats. The onyl reason Trump has not been charged with issurection is because that would give Trump the opportunity to prove that the claims fo an insurrection are compltete political fabrication.  And meanwhile there are Americans still being held in jail for allegedly attempting an unarmned insurrection, when in fact all they did was tresspass and protest a political matter - something that radical Democrats have done themselves in the past.  

 

Yes Trump is an idiot and a political incompetent and is extremely brash and rude at times. But the reason so many Americans voted for him, and will again, is because he speaks out against the Democrat Party and how it is trearing down the American values and all the PC rubbish they hate.  The biggest reason he won in 2016 was because Clinton was clearly guilty of breaking several laws and she got away with it right in front of the American people - they had enough of that going on and turned to Trump as a change.

 

Now it is even worse, as shown by the evidence that is becomming evident that the 2020 election was less than 'pure and honest'.  Yes Trump should have done what Al Gore did when he lost due to some clear 'anomolies' in the results in Florida, but as I said he is an idiot and he is very politically 'unaware'.  But to only see Trump's faults (and there are many), and to see no faults in the Biden administration, and to only believe the Democrat and media mates driven fabrications like Russiagate and an Insurrection etc etc etc, has resulted in a complete breakdown in by-partisanship in American politics. 

 

Hopefully Trump wins, tears down the far left swamp and all the PC rubbish, and then after 4 years the American people become more 'moderate' and elect a more 'central' POTUS that hopefully both the Democrats and Republicans will nominate. Trump will then become a part of American history - and seen as a response to the far left woke progressive lunacy that had taken over US politics, but not something that they want to see continue after he had done the job he was elected to do. 

You used idiot on the wrong guy, im afraid to say! But I agree with everything else mostly!

Give credit were due,

Well said

 

When Trump wins , it will take more then his administration and 4 years to drain the cesspool of bureaucracy!

 

 

imop

 

 

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, riclag said:

You used idiot on the wrong guy, im afraid to say! But I agree with everything else mostly!

Give credit were due,

Well said

 

When Trump wins , it will take more then his administration and 4 years to drain the cesspool of bureaucracy!

 

 

imop

 

 

When Trump wins. Funny.

[heybruce]

10 minutes ago, riclag said:

You used idiot on the wrong guy, im afraid to say! But I agree with everything else mostly!

Give credit were due,

Well said

 

When Trump wins , it will take more then his administration and 4 years to drain the cesspool of bureaucracy!

 

 

imop

 

 

Please, oh please!  Tell us what Trump did to make the swamp anything but bigger and more profitable for the wealthy during his first term.

[Dolf]

Biden is the worst candidate in history. A drunk Thai guy could do no worse.

[Roo Island]

1 hour ago, scottiejohn said:

The problem with your link is that it only goes to someone saying Trump said those comments re the constitution and then the link "quotes" his rebuttal"

 I am no Tumpeteer but please link to where he actually made those comments and NOT where someone said he said!

From the article.

 

“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post in December 2022.