‘Britain feels like Nazi Germany’: The Jewish people wanting to flee the UK as antisemitism

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

Youre wasting your time.  The propaganda doesnt allow for any diferentiation.  If you critisize a jew, even if you dont know hes a jew, and even if its just over his lousey parking for eg, you are being antisemetic and racist.

That is a lie.

[ozimoron]

30 minutes ago, JCauto said:

 

https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/combatting-discrimination/racism-and-xenophobia/combating-antisemitism/definition-antisemitism_en

 

It's actually a recognized definition of anti-semitism according to the European Commission.

 

Antisemitism is hatred of Jews. Not more, not less. Zionist can not be conflated with Jewish. Period. I can't put it any simpler.

 

 

Edited March 4 by ozimoron

[Jingthing]

24 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Nope,. Right now, if you're Jewish in a foreign country people naturally want you to declare where you stand. If you carry out overtly activist zioniist activities you are going to expect push back and can't pull the wilting violet act.

Right now, if you're Jewish in a foreign country RACIST people naturally want you to declare where you stand.

[JCauto]

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

To be clear, can I declare my belief that the Israeli government has a long standing history of acting like an unspecified reprehensible historic government without fear of being called out for it?

 

Are you able to comprehend English? Did you click on the EC link? Do you understand whom the EC represents?

To be perfectly clear, you can declare whatever belief you wish to, within the confines of the Forum rules. This obviously includes making racist or anti-semitic statements, although sometimes they're also removed by the moderators if they're considered too over-the-top.

 

As to you being called out for it, when you make reprehensible statements that are racist, you should always be called out on it. It doesn't matter whether you're being offensive to Jews, Muslims, women, or whomever else you are trying to beat down. So fill your boots! You must be very proud to hold such antediluvian opinions, there's clearly a cabal of other like-minded individuals here for you to make congress with. Y'all should go to a Beer Hall together.

[Donga]

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

Racism has been acceptable in Israel since 1948 in the form of apartheid and genocidal actions like the illegal settlements and by actively working to thwart a Palestinian state and now with mass indiscriminate bombing.

 

The Likud party couldn't have been poisoning the well any harder. I know you don't wart to focus on the war crimes in Israel. What should the citizens of UK be saying about that?

 

The Vietnam veterans suffered a similar fate toward the end of the Vietnam war. War crimes are never popular.

Oh dear, another history dramatist and revisionist.

Apartheid? What do you know of the composition of Israel? Have you read much history or a get it all from social media?
Then genocidal! Out of Hamas and western far left playbook that one. Just try to understand what its been like for Israel since UN mandate. And figure out why the neighbouring states want little do with the Palestinians. They've caused trouble where ever they go.
And indiscriminate bombing, really? Maybe try to read from decent sources other than Al Jazeera sourced.

I wish Netanyahu and his right wing partners weren't in power, but it is a democracy, something which the Palestinians have never really understood or aspired for. Hamas timed their barbaric acts of Oct 7 well, which so many western useful idiots can somehow rationalise from their distorted views of history. And it has all played out for Hamas, Iran and their allies just as they wanted, with first world concerned luvies backing in full voice, especially in Anglosphere. Pitifully misguided and dangerous.

Edited March 4 by Donga

[Eloquent pilgrim]

10 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I wouldn't interrogate anybody. You can't grasp that a person was putting up hostage posters in a country which is very angry about the fact that his own country is carrying out acts of genocide while refusing to recognize or be held accountable by a world court. I find it completely unsurprising that such a person gets abuse and then his apologists all trot out the antisemite card to duck any discussion about whether such actions are either appropriate or smart.

 

There you go again, sensationalist slogans, and incorrectly and hysterically using the word genocide, which you throw around like confetti when you don’t even understand the meaning of it ..

 

is it really too much trouble for you to put the word into a search engine and find out what it means ?

 

 

[JCauto]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I wouldn't interrogate anybody. You can't grasp that a person was putting up hostage posters in a country which is very angry about the fact that his own country is carrying out acts of genocide while refusing to recognize or be held accountable by a world court. I find it completely unsurprising that such a person gets abuse and then his apologists all trot out the antisemite card to duck any discussion about whether such actions are either appropriate or smart.

 

You can't write a single post without errors or lies.

The person putting up the hostage posters was not an Israeli. Israel attended the World Court hearing and made their case. The case has not been decided yet. Israel have never declared that they don't recognize the World Court. These are lies. You can't even write a 3 sentence post without 3 lies.

 

You are unsurprised that a woman stapling posters to a wall about innocents being kidnapped is assaulted by a man for that and that others find this to be, well, assault, and anti-semitic?

[WhatMeWorry]

5 hours ago, anyone said:

Well, what do you want to do with the nose?

Oh my, I wish I would not have seen that.

[transam]

17 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

To be clear, can I declare my belief that the Israeli government has a long standing history of acting like an unspecified reprehensible historic government without fear of being called out for it?

Do what you like.................

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I wouldn't interrogate anybody. You can't grasp that a person was putting up hostage posters in a country which is very angry about the fact that his own country is carrying out acts of genocide while refusing to recognize or be held accountable by a world court. I find it completely unsurprising that such a person gets abuse and then his apologists all trot out the antisemite card to duck any discussion about whether such actions are either appropriate or smart.

Nonsense. It's his own country and putting up posters of held captives taken by terrorists is more than appropriate. Link to your claim that Israel is refusing to be held accountable by the world Court. That's a serious claim

[ozimoron]

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Right now, if you're Jewish in a foreign country RACIST people naturally want you to declare where you stand.

 

"Oh these nasty people are getting angry about my provocations in a country my people are known to disdain because of their initial opposition to the establishment of my own country".

 

That paraphrase about sums up my feeling about what happened there. He pulls an openly activist and pro zionist public act while polluting the environment no less and then goes all butt hurt when people abuse him. It's nuts.

[ozimoron]

15 minutes ago, JCauto said:

 

You can't write a single post without errors or lies.

The person putting up the hostage posters was not an Israeli. Israel attended the World Court hearing and made their case. The case has not been decided yet. Israel have never declared that they don't recognize the World Court. These are lies. You can't even write a 3 sentence post without 3 lies.

 

You are unsurprised that a woman stapling posters to a wall about innocents being kidnapped is assaulted by a man for that and that others find this to be, well, assault, and anti-semitic?

 

Be on firmer footing before calling me a iiar.

 

Israel does not accept that the court has jurisdiction over its control of the West Bank

 

However, the ICJ, the UN's top legal organ, will only be able to issue an advisory opinion since the case was brought as a referral from the UN General Assembly. Israel does not accept that the court has jurisdiction over its control of the West Bank

 

I was also referring to the ICC.

 

 

Edited March 4 by ozimoron

[Jingthing]

48 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I'v made it crystal clear. I'm anti zionist. I am not antisemitic and I believe it's cowardly to make that accusation in an attempt to avoid criticism and having to justify what Israel is doing.

Impossible to believe you.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

"Oh these nasty people are getting angry about my provocations in a country my people are known to disdain because of their initial opposition to the establishment of my own country".

 

That paraphrase about sums up my feeling about what happened there. He pulls an openly activist and pro zionist public act while polluting the environment no less and then goes all butt hurt when people abuse him. It's nuts.

Putting up posters of captured innocent hostage, women, children and elderly guys is not a pro Zionist act. Anyone can do it and many non Jews have and will continue to do so. 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Be on firmer footing before calling me a iiar.

 

Israel does not accept that the court has jurisdiction over its control of the West Bank

 

However, the ICJ, the UN's top legal organ, will only be able to issue an advisory opinion since the case was brought as a referral from the UN General Assembly. Israel does not accept that the court has jurisdiction over its control of the West Bank

Israel does not accept that the court has jurisdiction over its control of the West Bank

 

Off topic nonsense, nothing to do with the hostages that was talked about who are in Gaza

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Impossible to believe you.

 

I know, you don't understand the concept of an even sided point of view.

[RuamRudy]

16 minutes ago, JCauto said:

 

Are you able to comprehend English? Did you click on the EC link? Do you understand whom the EC represents?

To be perfectly clear, you can declare whatever belief you wish to, within the confines of the Forum rules. This obviously includes making racist or anti-semitic statements, although sometimes they're also removed by the moderators if they're considered too over-the-top.

 

As to you being called out for it, when you make reprehensible statements that are racist, you should always be called out on it. It doesn't matter whether you're being offensive to Jews, Muslims, women, or whomever else you are trying to beat down. So fill your boots! You must be very proud to hold such antediluvian opinions, there's clearly a cabal of other like-minded individuals here for you to make congress with. Y'all should go to a Beer Hall together.

 

You calling me racist doesn't make it so. I will go to bed tonight, like every other night, confident in my personal integrity. I am also confident that one day your thinking will be seen to be on the wrong side of history, and that people of all races and religions will look back at the horrors of what's currently happening in Israel with aghast bewilderment that so many, seemingly, good people at best did nothing.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I know, you don't understand the concept of an even sided point of view.

I know you don't either:

 

"Nowadays, the word Zionist is often used as a swearword. As a negative label."

https://www.annefrank.org/en/topics/antisemitism/are-all-jews-zionists/

 

House Passes Resolution Declaring Anti-Zionism A Form Of Antisemitism—Some Democrats Are Critical

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/12/05/house-passes-resolution-declaring-anti-zionism-a-form-of-antisemitism-some-democrats-are-critical/

 

'We all know that anti-Zionism is Antisemitism and if you do not support Zionism, than you do not support Jews'

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1760046831155745105

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Putting up posters of captured innocent hostage, women, children and elderly guys is not a pro Zionist act. Anyone can do it and many non Jews have and will continue to do so. 

 

 

off topic nonsense. It's activism and you know it.

Edited March 4 by ozimoron

[Eloquent pilgrim]

10 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I know, you don't understand the concept of an even sided point of view.

 

 

irony alert 

[JCauto]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

Be on firmer footing before calling me a iiar.

 

Israel does not accept that the court has jurisdiction over its control of the West Bank

 

However, the ICJ, the UN's top legal organ, will only be able to issue an advisory opinion since the case was brought as a referral from the UN General Assembly. Israel does not accept that the court has jurisdiction over its control of the West Bank

 

You wish to debate that you wrote "refusing to recognize or be held accountable by a world court"?

 

If that was so, why did they send a team to the World Court to testify in the case? Would you send a team to present a case to a court you don't recognize? Have you presented any evidence that "Israel does not accept that the court has jurisdiction over its control of the West Bank." I didn't see it. As far as I can tell, the ICJ is NOT deciding whether Israel can have control over the West Bank. So how could Israel "not accept that"? You don't seem to understand that when you write things down and present them as fact, that people will check those statements out and if they were simply made up on the spot by you making a reference-free assertion, we're going to find that out and point out that you're lying. As I did. As you've once again FAILED to provide any evidence against.

 

If you're not a liar, then why have you only provided an attempt to explain one of the three lies I pointed out? Do you think that only having 2 lies in a 3-sentence post makes you something less of a liar? And your attempt to rebut the lie was a failure too. You're just spouting hate while pounding the keyboard angrily.

 

You still are conflating non-Israeli Jews with Israelis. None of the people in this news story were identified as an Israeli.

[beautifulthailand99]

The many thousands Jewish Bloc on the regular marches begs to differ, but under this twisted hyperbole they are probably regarded as kapos. But all racism against anybody based on their race is wrong. Period.

 

The first is Isaac Deutscher who died in London in 1967: He asked what makes a Jew.  He answered: “Religion? I am an atheist. Jewish nationalism? I am an internationalist. In neither sense am I, therefore, a Jew. I am however, a Jew by force of my unconditional solidarity with the persecuted and exterminated.”

The second is Marek Edelman The last surviving commander Marek_Edelman_Polen_polennuof the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, whom I met briefly in Warsaw in 1997. He died in Poland in 2009. This hero was persona non grata in Israel for remaining an anti-Zionist, and for saying about that incredible Uprising: “We fought for dignity and freedom. Not for a territory, nor for a national identity”. But the very most important thing he said was: “To be a Jew means always being with the oppressed, never with the oppressors.” Never with the oppressors.

 

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/jew-means-always-oppressed-never-oppressors/

 

Edited March 4 by beautifulthailand99

[JCauto]

11 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

You calling me racist doesn't make it so. I will go to bed tonight, like every other night, confident in my personal integrity. I am also confident that one day your thinking will be seen to be on the wrong side of history, and that people of all races and religions will look back at the horrors of what's currently happening in Israel with aghast bewilderment that so many, seemingly, good people at best did nothing.

 

You're correct, my calling you a racist is simply the opinion of one person.

 

The EC on the other hand making official statements on its website about what constitutes anti-semitism is the opinion of a large body of serious people including lawyers from a number of different countries and backgrounds and who take these things very seriously. THEY are the ones who think what you wrote is Anti-Semitic and have published explicitly on their website why that's the case. That you have read it and continue to hold that opinion tells everyone that you, in fact, are an Anti-Semite. So if you sleep happily with that, it just tells us that you're deeply flawed and should seek therapy. I do hope that one day you and your ilk are exposed for your hate and that you experience a reasonably degree of personal discomfort and consequence as a result.

[Jingthing]

Perhaps many non Jews don't get this, but all Jews know about visible vs. non visible Jews.

Some Jews if they don't wear a kippah, Star of David, etc. can pass as not being a Jew.

Others based on their ethnicity and cultural factors such as speech patterns, etc. can be marked as Jews by most everyone.

I'm Ashkenazi and can mostly pass.

So I have had the fun experience of hearing Jew hating slurs and jokes told by people who didn't know. 

Some of my relatives couldn't pass to save their lives (and historically that is literal).

A thing that runs in my family is being blonde while young and then later not.

Based on a story told by my grandmother that might have saved her life during an encounter with a Jew murdering cossack.  

Believe it or not there are similarities. to gay identity.

Some gay men can butch up and always pass. Others are identifiable as gay a mile away.

So to those who say well Jews can hide it. Yes, some can and some can't. 

But why should they have to?!?

Is it a healthy society where people feel forced to hide their identity?

A more general comment -- the massive spike in global antisemitism is a fact. It makes it much worse to hear gaslighting telling Jews it isn't really happening.

It is really happening.

From leftists who care about all kind of oppression but think oppression of Jews is "OK" because they perceive Jews as whiter and richer. 

For more on this subject refer to the British author of Jews Don't Count.

[Bkk Brian]

15 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

off topic nonsense. It's activism and you know it.

How is that off topic nonsense exactly?

 

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, JCauto said:

 

You wish to debate that you wrote "refusing to recognize or be held accountable by a world court"?

 

If that was so, why did they send a team to the World Court to testify in the case? Would you send a team to present a case to a court you don't recognize? Have you presented any evidence that "Israel does not accept that the court has jurisdiction over its control of the West Bank." I didn't see it. As far as I can tell, the ICJ is NOT deciding whether Israel can have control over the West Bank. So how could Israel "not accept that"? You don't seem to understand that when you write things down and present them as fact, that people will check those statements out and if they were simply made up on the spot by you making a reference-free assertion, we're going to find that out and point out that you're lying. As I did. As you've once again FAILED to provide any evidence against.

 

If you're not a liar, then why have you only provided an attempt to explain one of the three lies I pointed out? Do you think that only having 2 lies in a 3-sentence post makes you something less of a liar? And your attempt to rebut the lie was a failure too. You're just spouting hate while pounding the keyboard angrily.

 

You still are conflating non-Israeli Jews with Israelis. None of the people in this news story were identified as an Israeli.

 

Yeah, l I despise zionists.

 

I am not conflating anything with anybody. Zionism is not religious sect of Judaism, it is a far right nationalist political movement.

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, JCauto said:

 

You're correct, my calling you a racist is simply the opinion of one person.

 

The EC on the other hand making official statements on its website about what constitutes anti-semitism is the opinion of a large body of serious people including lawyers from a number of different countries and backgrounds and who take these things very seriously. THEY are the ones who think what you wrote is Anti-Semitic and have published explicitly on their website why that's the case. That you have read it and continue to hold that opinion tells everyone that you, in fact, are an Anti-Semite. So if you sleep happily with that, it just tells us that you're deeply flawed and should seek therapy. I do hope that one day you and your ilk are exposed for your hate and that you experience a reasonably degree of personal discomfort and consequence as a result.

 

As I said, I will be on the right side of history whereas you will be seen as an apologist for evil. You seen to be very comfortable with that mantle.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, JCauto said:

 

You're correct, my calling you a racist is simply the opinion of one person.

 

The EC on the other hand making official statements on its website about what constitutes anti-semitism is the opinion of a large body of serious people including lawyers from a number of different countries and backgrounds and who take these things very seriously. THEY are the ones who think what you wrote is Anti-Semitic and have published explicitly on their website why that's the case. That you have read it and continue to hold that opinion tells everyone that you, in fact, are an Anti-Semite. So if you sleep happily with that, it just tells us that you're deeply flawed and should seek therapy. I do hope that one day you and your ilk are exposed for your hate and that you experience a reasonably degree of personal discomfort and consequence as a result.

 

Stop being a *** by accusing everybody opposed to your POV as needing therapy.You complain about other consumed by hate. Disgusting.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Yeah, l I despise zionists.

 

I am not conflating anything with anybody. Zionism is not religious sect of Judaism, it is a far right nationalist political movement.

No it isn't. 

You hate something that you don't even have an accurate definition about. Regular ignorance or willful ignorance?

Edited March 4 by Jingthing

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No it isn't. 

You hate something that you don't even have an accurate definition about. Regular ignorance or willful ignorance?

 

Zionism—the nationalist movement calling for the establishment and support of an independent Jewish state in its ancient homeland—is one of the world’s most controversial ideologies. Its supporters see it as the national liberation movement of the Jewish people that came to fruition in the creation of the State of Israel in 1948. Its opponents regard it as one of the last forms of colonial oppression in the world, defined by Israel’s occupation of the West Bank in the name of a racist ideology increasingly turning Israel into an apartheid state.

 

https://academic.oup.com/book/628/chapter-abstract/135333910?redirectedFrom=fulltext