6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

however the offer of the guards was made.

I never denied that, nor did the Jan.6 committee (it's in the report and also in other testimonies, such as Miller's testimony)

 

He did ask for National Guard's support, but not to protect the Capitol, and Pelosi was not involved. So in Trump's statement there were one truth and two lies, (which is not bad by Trump's standards 😀)

12 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Guess you despise the bulk of your fellow Countryman then. By the way, and agnostic and an atheist are two separate things.

So from your analysis, I guess you believe in abortion on demand, for any reason at any time, support us throwing money at ukraine, you believe in open borders, the theory of all cultures being equal, structural racism, d e i, etc

 

I wonder who is the mainstream one. There's been some strange silence over many of my points LOL.

I don't know about the "bulk" of my fellow countrymen, but I do despise all those who are Trump supporters. I think that is about 35% now.

According to the Bing online dictionary: "The main difference between agnostics and atheists is:

- Atheists lack belief in God, believe there is no god, or have an absence of belief in gods.

- Agnostics either believe that it is impossible to know whether there is a god (even if they believe in the possibility) or are noncommittal on the issue.

It is possible to be both an agnostic and an atheist."
Please reread the last sentence in that definition.

I do support:
- abortion on demand, for any reason, at any time,
- supporting Ukraine in its resistance against the Russian invasion,

- open borders, at least borders that are open to all who want to come and file immigration requests, especially those based on asylum,

- I believe the belief that other cultures with different beliefs and customs than we have should not be automatically treated as inferior,

- I definitely believe in structural racism. Our country, the USA, is a good example of that,

- I had to look up "d e I" and found it stands for "diversity, equity, and inclusion." I do support that.

I'm not mainstream. I'm a far-left liberal, a socialist. But, as I've said repeatedly, I don't think Trump supporters are "mainstream" either. At least, I certainly hope not. 

 

Edited March 15, 20242 yr by WDSmart

45 minutes ago, candide said:

Lol! That's what Loudermilk said, not Ornato! 😀

This is becoming pathetic....

 

Ornato said:

"I remember he had – he was on the phone with [Bowser], and we – I had walked in for something, and I was there, and he was on the phone with her and wanted to make sure she had everything that she needed. Because I think it was the concern of anti and pro groups clashing is what I recall. And not anywhere near the Capitol, this was just out on the mall area or at the event; and wanted to know if she needed any more guardsmen," Ornato responded, according to the transcript reviewed by Fox News Digital. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-allegedly-suppressed-testimony-showing-trump-admin-pushed-national-guard-presence-report

 

If you read and comprehend fully then things will become a lot less pathetic.

24 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

If you read and comprehend fully then things will become a lot less pathetic.

So where did Ornato (not Loudermilk) state that Trump wanted to send the N.G. to protect the Capitol and not the protesters?

You have nothing.

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You need to provide a link for that or you are making it up.

It was shown live on TV. The women was trying to break through the door. She was in the front row of a crowd trying to break the door down.

 

I know you are entirely partizan in your consumption of news media, but heaven help us if you claim I am making up one of the central broadcast moments of the "storming the capital"!

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Actually you are making it it up. Took me just a couple of minutes to find the true version.

 

I bet you don't apologise for making it up though.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/14/officer-who-killed-capitol-rioter-ashli-babbitt-wont-be-charged-doj-says.html

You are beyond comprehension, you really are!

 

I will use simple short words.

 

The woman was in a crowd. She was at the front of the crowd.

 

The woman was breaking through a barricaded door.

 

The policeman who was protecting the people sheltering behind the barricaded door, sheltering from the crowd shot her.

 

He is not facing prosecution for shooting her.

 

Now what part of that differs from your link?

 

You are just trying to cause trouble.

 

Edited: I think perhaps you are trying to provoke a "flame" post in response, in the hope of it being taken down, and possibly my being suspended? 

Edited March 15, 20242 yr by herfiehandbag

1 hour ago, johng said:

No I think you got hold of the wrong end of the  stick.

Why?  Isn't that the most logical explanation?  Especially when you consider Trump's 3+ hours of watching his supporters rampage through the Capitol while ignoring all requests to do something.  Only when it was clear that the rioters would not succeed in seizing the Capitol and preventing the election certification did he gently request the "patriots" go home, while repeating the stolen election lie.

 

If you want to believe in a deep state conspiracy behind events on that day, Trump's deep state seeking to overturn the election results is the conspiracy most consistent with the evidence.

1 hour ago, candide said:

I never denied that, nor did the Jan.6 committee (it's in the report and also in other testimonies, such as Miller's testimony)

 

He did ask for National Guard's support, but not to protect the Capitol, and Pelosi was not involved. So in Trump's statement there were one truth and two lies, (which is not bad by Trump's standards 😀)

Actually, he did not ask. After re-reading the testimony, the exact information is that Meadows told Bowser merely that Trump was “willing to ask for 10,000” – not that Trump had already ordered or authorized the deployment

https://cha.house.gov/_cache/files/3/b/3b713ae6-5426-4d5c-9853-b19fcb7d75a5/7AA2E4D00C62DE8F036EE90481BC8EE2.ornato-ti.pdf

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

I don't know about the "bulk" of my fellow countrymen, but I do despise all those who are Trump supporters. I think that is about 35% now.

According to the Bing online dictionary: "The main difference between agnostics and atheists is:

- Atheists lack belief in God, believe there is no god, or have an absence of belief in gods.

- Agnostics either believe that it is impossible to know whether there is a god (even if they believe in the possibility) or are noncommittal on the issue.

It is possible to be both an agnostic and an atheist."
Please reread the last sentence in that definition.

I do support:
- abortion on demand, for any reason, at any time,
- supporting Ukraine in its resistance against the Russian invasion,

- open borders, at least borders that are open to all who want to come and file immigration requests, especially those based on asylum,

- I believe the belief that other cultures with different beliefs and customs than we have should not be automatically treated as inferior,

- I definitely believe in structural racism. Our country, the USA, is a good example of that,

- I had to look up "d e I" and found it stands for "diversity, equity, and inclusion." I do support that.

I'm not mainstream. I'm a far-left liberal, a socialist. But, as I've said repeatedly, I don't think Trump supporters are "mainstream" either. At least, I certainly hope not. 

 

And you would shoot "insurrectionists".

16 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

And you would shoot "insurrectionists".

That depends on who I was and where and when I encountered them.
- If I were a policeman, national guardsman, or in some other group assigned to guard a federal building, and if it was being attacked by people who were armed and firing guns or wielding other weapons that were threatening our safety, yes, I would consider shooting them.
- But, if you're talking about me, someone who only watched some of the insurrection on TV, and now, after the turmoil has subsided and some of the "insurrectionists" have been captured and arrested, no, I wouldn't think they should be shot.

 

They should be charged with whatever crimes they are believed to have committed and brought to trial. If found guilty, they should be sentenced to serve whatever time was appropriate. The only situation in which I would agree that they should be executed would be if they were found guilty of murder while engaging in insurrection, and a jury and judge agreed to that.
 

15 hours ago, frank83628 said:

what conspiracy? do you know about the 2 pipe bombs allegedly found? there is surveillance video of the person placing them. they still cannot find them. 
 

 

You discovered Forbes too 

They try to show both sides

”at times”. When I google i usually start the search with Forbes

15 minutes ago, riclag said:

You discovered Forbes too 

They try to show both sides

”at times”. When I google i usually start the search with Forbes

Also on CNN! 😀

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/09/politics/pipe-bombs-rnc-dnc-capitol-riot/index.html