1 hour ago, G_Money said:

He can’t help it.  So enthusiastically to brag about his education in which supposedly got him hired.  40 out of 25000. (corrected)

 

However, completely silent about his termination.

 

As much as he LOVES talking about himself, some issues are completely SILENT.

You are such a funny little guy!

 

What termination? Is that a fantasy that makes you feel better? Have at it,  if it helps take away the pain of being who you are.

 

Let's get on topic again here....trump in general and the trial in particular....

 

Not sure whether you think trump had a tryst with Stormy, but you do know it doesn't even matter, because he isn't on trial for getting spanked or cheating on his 3rd wife. He's on trial for the hush money payment and how he accounted for it. Why did he have to do a 'catch and kill', when Hillary faced the GRU lie of Uranium One plus her supposed deathbed-level health scare, yet she didn't feel the need to do a catch and kill? I guess he knew it would hurt his election chances.

 

Elsewhere, why did he steal thousands of classified documents? Do you think he can "declassify with his mind"? Would you be in favor of publishing every document he stole, even sending full tomes of all the docs to Putin, Xi, Kim Jong-un, the mullahs in Iran, and any other hostile nation? Why did he lie about returning them and have his lawyer sign a release attesting to that, when he still had highly classified docs at his country club, requiring the FBI to do a search and seizure?

 

Why did he call his goobers to DC on 6 January and Tweet "It'll be WILD!"? Why did he tell them to "march to the Capitol" and "fight like hell"? Why did he lie and say Pelosi could have called for the Guard, when only POTUS can do that? Why did he lie and say he ordered the Guard to the Capitol, when the head of the DC Guard testified in Congress two weeks ago that trump did not order any Guard to go anywhere?

 

If you prefer not to deal in facts and reality, then go ahead and call me a clerk or typist or whatever makes you feel better about yourself. Pretend I was "terminated", too. Your fantasies do me no harm, so knock yourself silly. Escape from yourself for a while.
 

 

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Ah, I see you, too, have no clue what the agency does, probably gaining your 'knowledge' from Hollywood B-Fare.

 

The agency is part of the Executive Branch. It gets tasked by the President to perform some tasks, while also regularly collecting and analyzing intelligence. If a President or Congressperson asks for some intel, the agency goes out looking for it. Some Presidents value what it produces, others (like trump) only want to be told what they already believe and want to hear.

 

Covert action is ALWAYS at the request of the President. Generally, the agency is asked for options, and provides those to the Oval Office. The President then decides and issues a Finding, under which the agency will undertake the operation. There are no "rogue" operations. If a major covert action is undertaken, it is because the President has requested and approved it.

 

The agency also tends to protect the President's public image. For example, the agency did not believe Saddam still had WMD, but Cheney was hellbent on an invasion. He got Tenet to go along, even though at the analytical level WMD was not believed to exist. The Neocons overruled. The disaster followed.

 

The same thing happened in Afghanistan after 9-11. The agency argued the US should take out the al Qaeda bases, but not bother to try to bring the country into the 21st Century, arguing it would be a forever war. Bush didn't want to hear that and he set the stage for the wasted next two decades.

 

The agency does not get everything right, but more often than not, it does. It also kind of encourages two polar opposite views...that it is nearly omnipotent and that it is quite incompetent. Both have value. The nature of intelligence work relegates the reality to somewhere between those two extremes.

 

Mods: I appreciate this is off topic, but there is so much misinformation and misunderstanding that---since those folks have posted comments---I am addressing them.

Ever heard of Frank Edward Terpil?

6 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

"I think the vast majority of former and current case officers---see the threat to everything the US stands for in trump..." 

 

You mean you guys are going to have to start doing something? Seems everything we hear from the CIA is wrong. 

 

I guess that Hunter laptop Russian disinformation OP worked out though, you got a leftist elected, yeah? 

 

Figures you live on the public teat and seem to have so much contempt for the people that pay you. 

 

You might want to go read the SSCI report on the Russia investigation. The Repubs were the majority when they released it, and I don't think you could call them "leftists".

 

They noted the travel to Spain of Paul Manafort his first week in the job of trump's Campaign Manager, where Manafort gave GRU asset Konstantin Kilimnik internal polling data from the trump campaign. Kilimnik then passed it to the GRU's Internet Research Agency, where they made up stories about such things as Uranium One and got them in the Facebook feed of voters in key swing States.

 

That kind of smells like cooperation.

 

The SSCI Report also noted the relationship between Roger Stone and Julian Assange, who had received emails hacked by a Romanian FSB asset from John Podesta and the DNC. Stone gave trump regular heads up on when new emails were going to be released.

 

That, too, kind of smells like cooperation.

 

Oh, and 140 contacts during the campaign between Russians and trump campaign officials, including donny, jrs "I love it!" meeting with a Russian asset in trump tower.

 

Maybe the CIA gave the Repubs on SSCI special "leftist vaccines"?  LOL

 

Lucky for trump he had Barr as his AG.

 

The good news is trump lost in 2020, the trump Recession and trump's 6.8% unemployment ended under Biden, and we've now seen 27 straight months of UE below 4%, the first time that has happened since the 1960s (You can go to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, a part of the Dept of Labor, to get the numbers if you so choose.)

11 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Ever heard of Frank Edward Terpil?

Yes. And also Wilson. Your point is what?

 

The agency also had Aldrich Ames, Edward Lee Howard, Jim Nicholson, and others who broke the law. The Bureau had Robert Hansson and others. None equates to agency or bureau policy.

 

Now a question or two for you....

 

Why did a country club owner and wedding planner need TS, SCI, SAP, SITK, Codeword, HCS and RD documents at his country club? That recklessness and theft represents infinitely more national security threats than all the names noted above combined.

 

Are you aware anyone willing to put down $200K can join donny's club and would have had access to all of those documents? Do you know what the MSS is, and that an MSS case officer joined donny's club? She didn't join for the food, that's for sure.

 

Any idea what sort of damage control the entire intel community had to do to determine what might have been compromised by trump's theft? Do you know what the term "exfil" means?

 

Do you know what happened when donny showed off to FM Lavrov and Amb Kislyak in the Oval Office by sharing intel Mossad had given the US under the promise that it not be shared? Do you have any clue what such cavalier and reckless behavior does to other liaison relationships and even to foreign clandestine sources (who pay attention to the news)?

 

I doubt you care and nothing trump could do would take away one iota of the worship you have of him, but the clown cost the country a lot---and not only the $175,000,000 the OMB and CBO estimated was spent by the US Taxpayer so trump could golf.

So, is Trump guilty of business fraud?

2 hours ago, G_Money said:

Same to you!  How was your “holiday”?

In Paris now and enjoying life away from the MAGA nutters here. 😆 🤣 😂

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Gotta love this Trump-Fox News craziness reported in USA Today:

Fox News calls Trump a ‘sex god,’ RFK Jr. has a brain worm and I want off this planet

...

Daniels’ descriptions of her alleged brief — ugh — affair with the man who’s now the Republican Party’s presumptive presidential nominee prompted Fox News host and apparent misogynist Greg Gutfeld to suggest it all demonstrated Trump’s sexual prowess: “Truly, he screwed the brains out of her—that makes him a sex god.”

 

I don’t know exactly what’s wrong with Mr. Gutfeld or how sewage entered his soul, but I do know that repulsive statement caused thousands of Americans to lose their lunch.

 

It made me want to pilot a rocket ship into the sun, as it’s clear humanity’s time is up.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/fox-news-calls-trump-a-sex-god-rfk-jr-has-a-brain-worm-and-i-want-off-this-planet/ar-BB1maJDB

 

 

Greg Gutfeld Makes Truly Vile Comments About 'Sex God' Trump And Stormy Daniels

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/greg-gutfeld-makes-truly-vile-120736638.html

 

And more reported here:

 

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/gutfeld-on-trump-and-stormy-daniels-he-screwed-the-brains-out-of-her-that-makes-him-a-sex-god/

 

 

 

Faux News. One of the worst things to happen to our world.

37 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

So, is Trump guilty of business fraud?

Guaranteed. His CFO is in jail because of it.

 

And this is coming...l

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-may-owe-dollar100m-for-improper-tax-breaks-on-chicago-tower

Trump May Owe $100M for Improper Tax Breaks on Chicago Tower

9 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Guaranteed. His CFO is in jail because of it.

 

And this is coming...l

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-may-owe-dollar100m-for-improper-tax-breaks-on-chicago-tower

Trump May Owe $100M for Improper Tax Breaks on Chicago Tower

I think this refers to an old IRS investigation where they couldn't come to a conclusion.

9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I think this refers to an old IRS investigation where they couldn't come to a conclusion.

Perhaps they are coming to one?

53 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

In Paris now and enjoying life away from the MAGA nutters here. 😆 🤣 😂

Oh, I thought you were my cellmate.

 

Are you and Candide enjoying Paris?

35 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Perhaps they are coming to one?

If that were true, it would be secret. I suspect this is old news 

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

Yes. And also Wilson. Your point is what?

 

The agency also had Aldrich Ames, Edward Lee Howard, Jim Nicholson, and others who broke the law. The Bureau had Robert Hansson and others. None equates to agency or bureau policy.

 

Now a question or two for you....

 

Why did a country club owner and wedding planner need TS, SCI, SAP, SITK, Codeword, HCS and RD documents at his country club? That recklessness and theft represents infinitely more national security threats than all the names noted above combined.

 

Are you aware anyone willing to put down $200K can join donny's club and would have had access to all of those documents? Do you know what the MSS is, and that an MSS case officer joined donny's club? She didn't join for the food, that's for sure.

 

Any idea what sort of damage control the entire intel community had to do to determine what might have been compromised by trump's theft? Do you know what the term "exfil" means?

 

Do you know what happened when donny showed off to FM Lavrov and Amb Kislyak in the Oval Office by sharing intel Mossad had given the US under the promise that it not be shared? Do you have any clue what such cavalier and reckless behavior does to other liaison relationships and even to foreign clandestine sources (who pay attention to the news)?

 

I doubt you care and nothing trump could do would take away one iota of the worship you have of him, but the clown cost the country a lot---and not only the $175,000,000 the OMB and CBO estimated was spent by the US Taxpayer so trump could golf.

Exfil?  Seems as they missed someone who continues to shine the spotlight on  his brilliant career.

8 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Oh, I thought you were my cellmate.

 

Are you and Candide enjoying Paris?

Go away. Again.

54 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I think this refers to an old IRS investigation where they couldn't come to a conclusion.

Agreed. Seems investigate reporters are digging into this.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/11/us/trump-taxes-audit-chicago.html

 

This account was pieced together from a collection of public documents, including filings from the New York attorney general’s suit against Mr. Trump in 2022, a passing reference to the audit in a congressional report that same year and an obscure 2019 I.R.S. memorandum that explored the legitimacy of the accounting maneuver. The memorandum did not identify Mr. Trump, but the documents, along with tax records previously obtained by The Times and additional reporting, indicated that the former president was the focus of the inquiry.

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

You are such a funny little guy!

 

What termination? Is that a fantasy that makes you feel better? Have at it,  if it helps take away the pain of being who you are.

 

Let's get on topic again here....trump in general and the trial in particular....

 

Not sure whether you think trump had a tryst with Stormy, but you do know it doesn't even matter, because he isn't on trial for getting spanked or cheating on his 3rd wife. He's on trial for the hush money payment and how he accounted for it. Why did he have to do a 'catch and kill', when Hillary faced the GRU lie of Uranium One plus her supposed deathbed-level health scare, yet she didn't feel the need to do a catch and kill? I guess he knew it would hurt his election chances.

 

Elsewhere, why did he steal thousands of classified documents? Do you think he can "declassify with his mind"? Would you be in favor of publishing every document he stole, even sending full tomes of all the docs to Putin, Xi, Kim Jong-un, the mullahs in Iran, and any other hostile nation? Why did he lie about returning them and have his lawyer sign a release attesting to that, when he still had highly classified docs at his country club, requiring the FBI to do a search and seizure?

 

Why did he call his goobers to DC on 6 January and Tweet "It'll be WILD!"? Why did he tell them to "march to the Capitol" and "fight like hell"? Why did he lie and say Pelosi could have called for the Guard, when only POTUS can do that? Why did he lie and say he ordered the Guard to the Capitol, when the head of the DC Guard testified in Congress two weeks ago that trump did not order any Guard to go anywhere?

 

If you prefer not to deal in facts and reality, then go ahead and call me a clerk or typist or whatever makes you feel better about yourself. Pretend I was "terminated", too. Your fantasies do me no harm, so knock yourself silly. Escape from yourself for a while.
 

 

You still haven’t answered the details of your termination.

 

Rather evasive for a chap that loves nothing more than talking about himself and writing long essays of misinformation.

 

And you had everyone thinking you were on the Fast Track to Director.

 

Embarrassed?   No need to be.  Everyone has at least one skeleton in their closet.

BYW, Do you really think members read your posts?

 

I admit I read the first paragraph.  After that ZZZZZZZZ.

 

But do continue.  You’re great entertainment.

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Go away. Again.

I can visit you in Paris.  Do you speak French?

 

1 hour ago, G_Money said:

You still haven’t answered the details of your termination.

 

Rather evasive for a chap that loves nothing more than talking about himself and writing long essays of misinformation.

 

And you had everyone thinking you were on the Fast Track to Director.

 

Embarrassed?   No need to be.  Everyone has at least one skeleton in their closet.

BYW, Do you really think members read your posts?

 

I admit I read the first paragraph.  After that ZZZZZZZZ.

 

But do continue.  You’re great entertainment.

 

 

 

"You still haven't answered the details of your termination."

Exfil?

5 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Yes. And also Wilson. Your point is what?

 

The agency also had Aldrich Ames, Edward Lee Howard, Jim Nicholson, and others who broke the law. The Bureau had Robert Hansson and others. None equates to agency or bureau policy.

 

Now a question or two for you....

 

Why did a country club owner and wedding planner need TS, SCI, SAP, SITK, Codeword, HCS and RD documents at his country club? That recklessness and theft represents infinitely more national security threats than all the names noted above combined.

 

Are you aware anyone willing to put down $200K can join donny's club and would have had access to all of those documents? Do you know what the MSS is, and that an MSS case officer joined donny's club? She didn't join for the food, that's for sure.

 

Any idea what sort of damage control the entire intel community had to do to determine what might have been compromised by trump's theft? Do you know what the term "exfil" means?

 

Do you know what happened when donny showed off to FM Lavrov and Amb Kislyak in the Oval Office by sharing intel Mossad had given the US under the promise that it not be shared? Do you have any clue what such cavalier and reckless behavior does to other liaison relationships and even to foreign clandestine sources (who pay attention to the news)?

 

I doubt you care and nothing trump could do would take away one iota of the worship you have of him, but the clown cost the country a lot---and not only the $175,000,000 the OMB and CBO estimated was spent by the US Taxpayer so trump could golf.

Interesting how you dismiss the gravity of the crimes committed by

Ames and others compared to what Trump has done.  Please explain or is this information only privy to CIA operatives?

And why did the FBI allow a Chinese spy to join Trump's exclusive club?  Could it be so that they could spy on her?

6 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Perhaps they are coming to one?

Of course!  Just in time for the election.

 

How convenient.  Another tool for the current administration in their ongoing battle to “Get Trump “

23 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

Who gives a damn - except you, on your one-man crusade to bestow the virtues of Trumpism upon us.

 

 

 

Maher highlighted his 2018 interview with Daniels, pointing out what she told him was quite different than what she said in the courtroom

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Maher highlighted his 2018 interview with Daniels, pointing out what she told him was quite different than what she said in the courtroom

If Stormy Daniels is lying, Trump can correct the record by testifying.

9 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Yes. And also Wilson. Your point is what?

 

The agency also had Aldrich Ames, Edward Lee Howard, Jim Nicholson, and others who broke the law. The Bureau had Robert Hansson and others. None equates to agency or bureau policy.

 

Now a question or two for you....

 

Why did a country club owner and wedding planner need TS, SCI, SAP, SITK, Codeword, HCS and RD documents at his country club? That recklessness and theft represents infinitely more national security threats than all the names noted above combined.

 

Are you aware anyone willing to put down $200K can join donny's club and would have had access to all of those documents? Do you know what the MSS is, and that an MSS case officer joined donny's club? She didn't join for the food, that's for sure.

 

Any idea what sort of damage control the entire intel community had to do to determine what might have been compromised by trump's theft? Do you know what the term "exfil" means?

 

Do you know what happened when donny showed off to FM Lavrov and Amb Kislyak in the Oval Office by sharing intel Mossad had given the US under the promise that it not be shared? Do you have any clue what such cavalier and reckless behavior does to other liaison relationships and even to foreign clandestine sources (who pay attention to the news)?

 

I doubt you care and nothing trump could do would take away one iota of the worship you have of him, but the clown cost the country a lot---and not only the $175,000,000 the OMB and CBO estimated was spent by the US Taxpayer so trump could golf.

How many times do I have to tell you that I am not a Trump fan?

I have never, ever defended Trump when he has obviously broken the law.  Defending someone and comparing their crimes with others are TWO DIFFERENT things.  Thank goodness the agency got rid of you.  You're worse than a broken record.

3 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

How many times do I have to tell you that I am not a Trump fan?

I have never, ever defended Trump when he has obviously broken the law.  Defending someone and comparing their crimes with others are TWO DIFFERENT things.  Thank goodness the agency got rid of you.  You're worse than a broken record.

Everyone that does not walk lock-step with TDS sufferers is an ignorant Trump worshiper. 

 

Get Trump

Trump is clearly prepping his fanbase by telling him that his team is winning the case.

 

If he is convicted, his fans may revolt.

 

Or not, it depends how crazy they are.

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump is clearly prepping his fanbase by telling him that his team is winning the case.

 

If he is convicted, his fans may revolt.

 

Or not, it depends how crazy they are.

I think most people expect he will be convicted. 

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I think most people expect he will be convicted. 

Trump is claiming that his team is winning the case, as is FOX.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6352487454112

6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump is claiming that his team is winning the case, as is FOX.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6352487454112

I think he's winning the case as well, but I did not say that, what I said was: 

 

"I think most people expect he will be convicted." 

 

Trump’s lawyer pays Stormy’s lawyer to influence one party to enter into an NDA with another party, which is legal.

 

Stormy’s lawyer pays Stormy to enter into an NDA with another party, which is legal.

 

An NDA is payment in consideration of a contract, which is legal.

 

Trump pays his lawyer and calls it legal expenses, which is legal.

 

Stormy violates the contract, which is not legal. 

 

Trump is indicted, which is legal.

 

I think he will be convicted as well. (which I think is not legal) 

 

Bad Bad witness.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-unleashes-stormy-daniels-testimony-trump-trial-shes-bad-witness

10 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Bad Bad witness.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-unleashes-stormy-daniels-testimony-trump-trial-shes-bad-witness

Doesn't matter.