Remember this...

[Red Phoenix]

[johng]

I think there should be a yearly Covid rememberance week...lest we forget all the atrocities commited and ongoing from the disaster.

[Robert Paulson]

What about masking in between bites and sips on airplanes. A personal fav. I’m sure the covidians will even deny they did this 

[Gsxrnz]

The best part of covid was the sign-in register at the malls. I routinely signed in as George Orwell, Eric Arthur Blair, Winstin Smith, Ray Bradbury, or Aldous Huxley.

 

I always took the time to look at the list of those preceding me into the mall.  Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Winston Churchill, and Adolf Hitler were frequent attendees. Once I even saw a Donald Trump on the list.

 

Edit: Just remembered - my phone number was 451 1984 1984

[novacova]

In the communist state of California they were arresting people for going to empty beaches. I was nodding my head scoffing and chuckling the whole way through that hysterical episode of psychosis 

[Tippaporn]

  Not a day passes where another truth isn't revealed.  Their house of cards built upon lies is fast tumbling down.

[transam]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 

  Not a day passes where another truth isn't revealed.  Their house of cards built upon lies is fast tumbling down.

 

Really, how many lives were saved trying to stop the rising worldwide death toll..?

We will always have the "after the event" lambasting, but you cannot deny the life-saving recommendations most of us followed saved lives.

 

 But this thread will turn into what the OP wants, him and his team, yes, team....😉

 

 

[Gsxrnz]

Covidians and climate anarchists don't understand cognitive dissonance. When presented with mountains of empirical evidence that disproves their ideology, they ignore it and call you a conspiracy theorist. And that's how S*** happens.

[Red Phoenix]

I refused to be jabbed, and therefore didn't need any medication for shingles or other adverse effects of the shots.  And of course I also didn't catch covid (and if I did I even didn't notice it).

[johng]

1 hour ago, novacova said:

they were arresting people for going to empty beaches.

 

They shut the beaches and arrested people here in Thailand too.

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Really, how many lives were saved trying to stop the rising worldwide death toll..?

We will always have the "after the event" lambasting, but you cannot deny the life-saving recommendations most of us followed saved lives.

 

 But this thread will turn into what the OP wants, him and his team, yes, team....😉

 

 

 

 The claim that the mRNA injection saved lives to the extent it's claimed is a strawman because it's impossible to definitively prove.  You know that.  We know that.  You know that we know it.  And we know that you know that we know it.  So you can stop trying to fool us with strawman arguments.

 

The lockdowns, masking and social distancing recommendations were known to be arbitrary and not effective.  All one needs to do is witness the results of those countries who did not follow those protocols.

 

In conclusion, your arguments are flawed and/or make no sense.

[johng]

1 hour ago, transam said:

but you cannot deny the life-saving recommendations most of us followed saved lives.

 

I can and do deny  that the total overreaction and totalitarian measures imposed saved life in reality they most likely cost more life...they certainly caused untold economic misery, disrupted worldwide trade, caused huge inflation,cost kids years of schooling lead to a huge increase in mental and physical diseases...ruined the (last remaining) trust a large portion of people had in so called "trusted" institutions and ushered in even more censorship and surveillance.

[Woof999]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The claim that the mRNA injection saved lives to the extent it's claimed is a strawman because it's impossible to definitively prove.

 

... and the reverse is equally impossible to prove, so what is your point?

 

Do I believe medical experts or some random conspiracy theorist on a minor forum who is apparently "seeking the truth"?

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

 

... and the reverse is equally impossible to prove, so what is your point?

 

Is it?  Look to the results of countries whose populations were not subjected wholesale to the 'vax'.  Then extrapolate.

 

We can certainly get a good idea of how many were killed via ventilators, Remdesivir, or simply told to go home and not come back until it was too late.

 

6 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

Do I believe medical experts or some random conspiracy theorist on a minor forum who is apparently "seeking the truth"?

 

But which medical experts?  You seem to imply that Fauci is an exemplary example of a trusted medical expert.  Please.  If one were to put some of your touted, trusted medical experts under a microscope how many would be found to have severe conflicts of interests; either monetary or interests of self preservation?

 

In any case, you'll believe what you want to believe.  Whether what you choose to believe is true or not is of no consequence to you.  The only thing of consequence is that what you believe must be true.  That's what differentiates you from others like me.  We don't attempt to uphold our beliefs in favour of what the real truth is.  We go with the truth no matter where that truth leads.

[Tippaporn]

The Pro-Vax team is becoming less and less vocal as the true facts emerge daily.  Hard to keep fighting when you've got no legs to stand on.

[Amethyst]

Posts with unsourced and unsubstantiated claims have been removed, along with off-topic posts commenting on fellow forum members.

[transam]

I will not be posting on this thread again, I know who the OP is, its a baiting thread...🤗

[Ralf001]

2 hours ago, transam said:

 

Really, how many lives were saved trying to stop the rising worldwide death toll..?

We will always have the "after the event" lambasting, but you cannot deny the life-saving recommendations most of us followed saved lives.

 

 But this thread will turn into what the OP wants, him and his team, yes, team....😉

 

 

 

One good thing came out of it all..... there were zero influenza deaths reported !

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

The best part of covid was the sign-in register at the malls. I routinely signed in as George Orwell, Eric Arthur Blair, Winstin Smith, Ray Bradbury, or Aldous Huxley.

 

I always took the time to look at the list of those preceding me into the mall.  Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Winston Churchill, and Adolf Hitler were frequent attendees. Once I even saw a Donald Trump on the list.

 

Edit: Just remembered - my phone number was 451 1984 1984

 

   All those heat testing when entering shops , putting an electronic thermometer to your head .

Did they ever catch even one person with a high temperature ?

I was getting tested numerous times every day , as was everyone else 

[Red Phoenix]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   All those heat testing when entering shops , putting an electronic thermometer to your head .

Did they ever catch even one person with a high temperature ?

I was getting tested numerous times every day , as was everyone else 

Parts of the population, scared stiff by the incessant fear-mongering for the 'deadly virus', demanded assurance that Something Was Done resulting a.o. in the testing craziness. Perception is everything, no matter whether it is sound or effective.

[johng]

Remember this !!

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11687675/Army-spied-lockdown-critics-Sceptics-including-Peter-Hitchens-suspected-watched.html

 

Military operatives in the UK's 'information warfare' brigade were part of a sinister operation that targeted politicians and high-profile journalists who raised doubts about the official pandemic response.

[Woof999]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

We can certainly get a good idea of how many were killed via ventilators

 

You think a significant number of people were killed by ventilators? Why were they on the ventilator in the first place?

 

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

But which medical experts?  You seem to imply that Fauci is an exemplary example of a trusted medical expert.

 

Too may assumptions and inferences from things I've not implied. I'm not from the US. Fauci worked directly or indirectly for Trump. I'll give him some credit for at least having the balls to show us how much of a nutter Trump was for suggesting we get injected with bleach or disinfectant, or irradiated with massive doses of UV. I tend to believe the doctors and nurses that were working on the front line and seeing what COVID did to previously healthy people first hand. There were many such cases all across the UK media (left leaning, right leaning and closer to central). The flu this was not (to another poster).

 

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

That's what differentiates you from others like me.  We don't attempt to uphold our beliefs in favour of what the real truth is.

 

Actually there we would be similar, except that I'm on to other things now as I don't have the time to polish my hindsight glasses and shout "I told you so" while denigrating the majority of the world's medical experts with no personal credential greater than a boy scout first aid badge.

[Chris Daley]

There was some very early pictures going around of people sitting inside domes at a cafe.  The dome went over the table.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Remember this?

 

Lockdowns and face masks ‘unequivocally’ cut spread of Covid, report finds

 

Royal Society review looks at non-pharmaceutical interventions when applied in packages of several measures

 

Measures taken during the Covid pandemic such as social distancing and wearing face masks “unequivocally” reduced the spread of infections, a report has found.

 

Experts looked at the effectiveness of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) – not drugs or vaccines – when applied in packages that combine a number of measures that complement one another.

 

The Royal Society report, called Covid-19: examining the effectiveness of non-pharmaceutical interventions, reviewed the evidence gathered during the pandemic for six groups of NPIs and their effectiveness in reducing transmission.

...

When assessed individually, there was positive – if limited – evidence of transmission reduction from many of the NPIs used in the pandemic, the review found. However, evidence of a positive effect was clear when countries used combinations of NPIs.

 

(more)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/24/lockdowns-face-masks-unequivocally-cut-spread-covid-study-finds

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Remember this?

 

Earlier lockdown could have saved lives of 30,000, Hancock tells Covid inquiry

Tens of thousands of lives could have been saved if the UK had locked down three weeks earlier, Matt Hancock has told the Covid inquiry, as he described the operation of Boris Johnson’s Downing Street as undermined by a “culture of fear”.

 

The former health secretary said his staff were abused by Dominic Cummings and that Johnson’s then chief adviser attempted to exclude ministers and even Johnson himself from key decisions at the start of the pandemic, hampering the government’s response.

...

Hancock argued that in retrospect the ideal date for a first lockdown would have been three weeks earlier than the eventual date of 23 March 2020, saying this could have prevented about 90% of the death toll in the first Covid wave, or more than 30,000 lives.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/30/hancock-tells-covid-inquiry-of-toxic-culture-in-johnson-government

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Or this:

 

What We’ve Learned About So-Called ‘Lockdowns’ and the COVID-19 Pandemic

"Plenty of peer-reviewed studies have found government restrictions early in the pandemic, such as business closures and physical distancing measures, reduced COVID-19 cases and/or mortality, compared with what would have happened without those measures.

...

In the early months of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020, as the virus spread around the globe, many countries implemented restrictions on movement and social gatherings in an effort to flatten the curve — or reduce sharp spikes in caseloads to avoid overwhelming health care facilities. Without vaccines or evidence-based treatments, these non-pharmaceutical interventions, or NPIs, were the only public health measures available for months to combat the pandemic.

...

There have been a lot of studies assessing whether and to what extent so-called “lockdowns” and various NPIs have been effective, and plenty of research that has concluded these measures can limit transmission, or reduce cases and deaths.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/scicheck-what-weve-learned-about-so-called-lockdowns-and-the-covid-19-pandemic/

 

[impulse]

16 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Remember this?

 

Lockdowns and face masks ‘unequivocally’ cut spread of Covid, report finds

 

Even if that's true, at what cost?

 

They could eliminate traffic fatalities by simply banning private vehicles.  They could reduce deaths due to alcohol abuse by simply banning alcohol.  The same way they could reduce Covid fatalities by putting millions of people out of business, banning them from seeing loved ones in their final days, and forcing them to take vaccines that weren't really vaccines in the traditional sense.

 

As has been pointed out, there's an entire generation of kids that are behind on their schooling and their socialization skills.  It'll be years before the long term data tells us whether the mRNA shots saved more than they damaged (and killed).  Millions of businesses were bankrupted, and $$ trillions were added to the world's debt.

 

There's more to life than not getting a disease that mostly kills those who have co-morbidities.  It would be interesting to see a genuine study of how many years of life were added by the Orwellian way Covid was handled, and how many years of life were taken away by the Orwellian way Covid was handled.

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Or this:

 

Study: Physical distancing better at stemming COVID-19 than US/Mexico border closure

 

A genomic analysis of SARS-CoV-2 in San Diego and Mexico reveals that physical distancing was more effective than international border closures in containing the virus.

 

Scripps Research scientists and colleagues sequenced more than 82,000 SARS-CoV-2 samples gathered from routine genomic surveillance in San Diego and the state of Baja California, Mexico, to reconstruct viral spread dynamics from March 2020 to the end of the first Omicron surge in December 2022.

...

Mandate relaxation led to more distant travel

During stay-at-home and physical distancing mandates early in the pandemic, SARS-CoV-2 spread primarily within and between adjacent counties. But as mandates eased, people started to travel farther, and COVID-19 spread from distant locations rose.

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/study-physical-distancing-better-stemming-covid-19-usmexico-border-closure

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

  It would be interesting to see a genuine study of how many years of life were added by the Orwellian way Covid was handled, and how many years of life were taken away by the Orwellian way Covid was handled.

 

 

Study finds more than 28 million extra years of life lost in 31 countries in 2020

Over 28 million more years of life were lost than expected in 2020 in 31 upper-middle and high-income countries, finds a study published by The BMJ today.

 

Except for Taiwan, New Zealand, Denmark, Iceland, Norway, and South Korea, all other countries examined had more premature deaths than expected in 2020, with a higher rate in men than women. The highest rates of excess premature deaths were in Russia, Bulgaria, Lithuania, and the US.

 

Understanding the full impact of the covid-19 pandemic requires not only counting excess deaths (difference between observed and expected numbers of deaths from all causes), but also analysing how premature those deaths are. 

 

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/study-finds-more-than-28-million-extra-years-of-life-lost-in-31-countries-in-2020/

 

[impulse]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Study finds more than 28 million extra years of life lost in 31 countries in 2020

 

That's 1/3 of the answer.  Now we have to look at the long term excess deaths, for the next 20 years.