Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[rabas]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

In which case you were required to post a link to support it, hmmmmm!

 

Were you not just complaining that he hadn't posted a link to support his opinion?

 

I DID PROVIDE A LINK. <== emergency use of large font

 

It was the sole purpose of my original post:

It would be nice if you acknowledge your error.

[transam]

10 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

If I were to hazard a guess, I would say…. less than Ukraine.

Wrong, but you must hold up your "Red" end, eh...........😂

[Gweiloman]

10 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

I DID PROVIDE A LINK. <== emergency use of large font

 

It was the sole purpose of my original post:

It would be nice if you acknowledge your error.

Looks like you have too much time on your hands, lol.

 

When do you plan to stop digging?

[Danderman123]

30 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

You think they will ever? Without NATO troops?

I don't know if Ukraine can win.

 

If Russia loses, it will happen quickly.

[transam]

36 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

So I take it that Ukraine is winning?

You don't know, an insider too......?      

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Looks like you have too much time on your hands, lol.

 

When do you plan to stop digging?

You lost, again.............🤭

[jas007]

9 hours ago, Seppius said:

 

Really you are funny, there was a status que till Russia invaded Ukraine, which was working well.

 

Now Russia will get everything it deservers, losing ships, tanks and hardware faster than they can replace them, NATO now thinks Russia is a joke, corruption in a mega scale, nothing hardly works, they are allowing western weapons to hit Russia because Russia is so weak

 

Even China is not backing them up, Russia is a joke IMHO

 

I understand you are probably Russian or have a connection to the country, but Putin has ****** your country

Russia is a joke??  Hardly.  Maybe years ago the Soviet Union was in disarray, but today, no.  Of course, the Western propaganda machine continues to spew nonsense about an “antiquated “ Russian military, incapable of fighting the West. That’s what they want people to believe. And maybe some gullible politicians actually believe the lie.  But in reality, the Russian military is very much up to date and very well equipped for a modern war in Europe. The West simply does not have the manpower or equipment to match them in a ground war.  
 

The US has an air force and a bunch of aircraft carriers.  Not too many combat arms troops. Much of its equipment is old, designed and manufactured years ago. Together with NATO, they couldn’t put together much of a combat force on the ground.  Some military experts realize this, but far too many are beholden to the war machine. They tell their masters what they want to hear.  And they all seem to be listening to delusional war mongers. The Neocons.  People who don’t live in the real world.
 

What  happens when the ground war fails?  Escalation.  It’s a scary situation.

 

 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

Russia is a joke??  Hardly.  Maybe years ago the Soviet Union was in disarray, but today, no.  Of course, the Western propaganda machine continues to spew nonsense about an “antiquated “ Russian military, incapable of fighting the West. That’s what they want people to believe. And maybe some gullible politicians actually believe the lie.  But in reality, the Russian military is very much up to date and very well equipped for a modern war in Europe. The West simply does not have the manpower or equipment to match them in a ground war.  
 

The US has an air force and a bunch of aircraft carriers.  Not too many combat arms troops. Much of its equipment is old, designed and manufactured years ago. Together with NATO, they couldn’t put together much of a combat force on the ground.  Some military experts realize this, but far too many are beholden to the war machine. They tell their masters what they want to hear.  And they all seem to be listening to delusional war mongers. The Neocons.  People who don’t live in the real world.
 

What  happens when the ground war fails?  Escalation.  It’s a scary situation.

 

 

You don't seem to understand much about Russian and US military capabilities.

 

Russian advances are usually based on human wave attacks, and variations thereof.

[Seppius]

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/03/22/russian-navy-fired-on-civilian-fishing-trawler-killing-sailors-dozhd-a84568

 

The Russian navy accidentally fired on a fishing trawler during training exercises earlier this week, causing an explosion and killing three people on board the vessel, the independent broadcaster Dozhd reported, citing one of the victims’ relatives.

 

[Mavideol]

Russia propaganda

Visibly Distressed Putin Pals Shaken Up by Trump Verdict

https://au.yahoo.com/news/visibly-distressed-putin-pals-shaken-145535918.html

[Mavideol]

N..C...

 

Thousands of Ukrainian prisoners apply to join army to have remaining sentences cleared

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/thousands-ukrainian-prisoners-apply-join-142939681.html

[Mavideol]

he's starting to lose it, 555

Putin Alarmingly Urges Russian Officials To 'Mobilise' But Does Not Really Explain Why

https://au.yahoo.com/news/putin-alarmingly-urges-russian-officials-120303441.html

 

 

 

[Mavideol]

slowly but surely things are improving and Vlad is worried. so let's make more threats

Germany says Ukraine can use its weapons to strike Russian territory

https://au.yahoo.com/news/germany-says-ukraine-weapons-strike-091636526.html

 

[jas007]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You don't seem to understand much about Russian and US military capabilities.

 

Russian advances are usually based on human wave attacks, and variations thereof.

 
The US and NATO seem to believe the next war will be not unlike WW II. They’re living in the past.  
 

As for what I understand?  I understand that neither the US nor NATO can fight a ground war with Russia and win. Absolutely not. They can’t put enough boots on the ground, and certainly not on short notice. Gearing up for a major conflict halfway around the world would take months. Remember, the current state of the U.S. military is abysmal. They can’t even meet recruiting goals, and they haven’t fought in a real war in years. What does the Army have? 400,000 active duty soldiers?  Old equipment designed for WW II.  And of the 400,000 active duty soldiers, only a fraction of those would be serving in combat units on the front lines.  Russia has over a million soldiers, ready to go, they’re on their home turf, and they can manufacture military equipment and ammunition faster than the West. They have one of the world’s best air defense systems, and they have adapted to the modern environment. In short, they have all the same technology the Wast has and can win, contrary to what you might hear from the official spin doctors.

 

The US has a military capable of fighting small countries that can’t or won’t fight back. Haiti, for example, or Panama or Iraq. Ditto for Europe. Small armies not capable of a prolonged war and with no real experience.

 

So, to think that NATO is going to turn the tide and defeat Russia is silly. It can’t happen. And when the delusional politicians finally realize that, what then? Nukes? We all better hope certain people wake up before it’s too late.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, rabas said:

 

I DID PROVIDE A LINK. <== emergency use of large font

 

It was the sole purpose of my original post:

It would be nice if you acknowledge your error.

I'll admit that I missed the one word indicating that it was a link.

 

When I post a link I quote something from the quoted link and I put the link address above it. That way everyone knows it is a link.

[Gweiloman]

3 hours ago, jas007 said:

 
The US and NATO seem to believe the next war will be not unlike WW II. They’re living in the past.  
 

As for what I understand?  I understand that neither the US nor NATO can fight a ground war with Russia and win. Absolutely not. They can’t put enough boots on the ground, and certainly not on short notice. Gearing up for a major conflict halfway around the world would take months. Remember, the current state of the U.S. military is abysmal. They can’t even meet recruiting goals, and they haven’t fought in a real war in years. What does the Army have? 400,000 active duty soldiers?  Old equipment designed for WW II.  And of the 400,000 active duty soldiers, only a fraction of those would be serving in combat units on the front lines.  Russia has over a million soldiers, ready to go, they’re on their home turf, and they can manufacture military equipment and ammunition faster than the West. They have one of the world’s best air defense systems, and they have adapted to the modern environment. In short, they have all the same technology the Wast has and can win, contrary to what you might hear from the official spin doctors.

 

The US has a military capable of fighting small countries that can’t or won’t fight back. Haiti, for example, or Panama or Iraq. Ditto for Europe. Small armies not capable of a prolonged war and with no real experience.

 

So, to think that NATO is going to turn the tide and defeat Russia is silly. It can’t happen. And when the delusional politicians finally realize that, what then? Nukes? We all better hope certain people wake up before it’s too late.

As everyone knows, NATO stands for No Action, Talk Only. If they felt they could have won a ground war against Russia, they would have probably gone in with all guns blazing. Since they can’t win the real war, they try to win the war of narrative. Judging from what we can see on this forum, it appears that they are very successful with some. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not as gullible.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

As everyone knows, NATO stands for No Action, Talk Only. If they felt they could have won a ground war against Russia, they would have probably gone in with all guns blazing. Since they can’t win the real war, they try to win the war of narrative. Judging from what we can see on this forum, it appears that they are very successful with some. Fortunately, the rest of the world is not as gullible.

You're crackers...............😆

[Danderman123]

5 hours ago, jas007 said:

 
The US and NATO seem to believe the next war will be not unlike WW II. They’re living in the past.  
 

As for what I understand?  I understand that neither the US nor NATO can fight a ground war with Russia and win. Absolutely not. They can’t put enough boots on the ground, and certainly not on short notice. Gearing up for a major conflict halfway around the world would take months. Remember, the current state of the U.S. military is abysmal. They can’t even meet recruiting goals, and they haven’t fought in a real war in years. What does the Army have? 400,000 active duty soldiers?  Old equipment designed for WW II.  And of the 400,000 active duty soldiers, only a fraction of those would be serving in combat units on the front lines.  Russia has over a million soldiers, ready to go, they’re on their home turf, and they can manufacture military equipment and ammunition faster than the West. They have one of the world’s best air defense systems, and they have adapted to the modern environment. In short, they have all the same technology the Wast has and can win, contrary to what you might hear from the official spin doctors.

 

The US has a military capable of fighting small countries that can’t or won’t fight back. Haiti, for example, or Panama or Iraq. Ditto for Europe. Small armies not capable of a prolonged war and with no real experience.

 

So, to think that NATO is going to turn the tide and defeat Russia is silly. It can’t happen. And when the delusional politicians finally realize that, what then? Nukes? We all better hope certain people wake up before it’s too late.

The Russian army today is nothing like the army of the Soviet Union.

 

The current Russian approach of employing human wave attacks would result in millions of Russian casualties.

 

The best historical analogy was the US attack on Iraqi defenses the first day of the first Gulf War. The much vaulted Iraqi defenses crumbled the first day, with casualties of 250,000+. The carnage was so bad that the video has never been shown.

[jas007]

40 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The Russian army today is nothing like the army of the Soviet Union.

 

The current Russian approach of employing human wave attacks would result in millions of Russian casualties.

 

The best historical analogy was the US attack on Iraqi defenses the first day of the first Gulf War. The much vaulted Iraqi defenses crumbled the first day, with casualties of 250,000+. The carnage was so bad that the video has never been shown.

Human wave attacks?  What makes you think that’s in the cards?  It would be NATO doing the attacking, trying to recapture territory already in Russian hands.  They’re dug in and have excellent artillery.  They’re already in place. They have excellent air defense systems. If NATO doesn’t like the current state of affairs , it will be NATO on the offensive.  And don’t forget the weather, the mud, and the terrible winters.  Historically, it hasn’t worked out too well for invading armies trying to conquer Russia.  Napoleon failed. Hitler failed. And as I’ve said, if nothing else, it’s a numbers game, and NATO simply doesn’t have the soldiers.
 

As for the Iraq war?  As I recall, it took months and months to assemble the troops and equipment.  And months of “softening up” the enemy with B52 bombers.  You really can’t compare Russia to Iraq. Different armies and a completely different set of circumstances on the ground. And in any real war, Russia won’t be sitting back simply watching the preparations.  
 

Anyway, some people seem to be living in a fantasy world.  As if there’s a massive US military ready to go at a moment’s notice, and with the wave of a magic wand, massive armies could be assembled . Things don’t work that way.  Sure, the US could send over the 82nd airborne or other troops at a moment’s notice, but that wouldn’t be too effective.  Look at a map.  It’s a huge area. 

[rabas]

12 hours ago, jas007 said:

Russia is a joke??  Hardly.  Maybe years ago the Soviet Union was in disarray, but today, no.  Of course, the Western propaganda machine continues to spew nonsense about an “antiquated “ Russian military, incapable of fighting the West. That’s what they want people to believe. And maybe some gullible politicians actually believe the lie.  But in reality, the Russian military is very much up to date and very well equipped for a modern war in Europe. The West simply does not have the manpower or equipment to match them in a ground war.  
 

The US has an air force and a bunch of aircraft carriers.  Not too many combat arms troops. Much of its equipment is old, designed and manufactured years ago. Together with NATO, they couldn’t put together much of a combat force on the ground.  Some military experts realize this, but far too many are beholden to the war machine. They tell their masters what they want to hear.  And they all seem to be listening to delusional war mongers. The Neocons.  People who don’t live in the real world.
 

What  happens when the ground war fails?  Escalation.  It’s a scary situation.

You've now written three fictional essays based on the same false premise. NATO is not going to attack Russian territory. The rest is just LAW, long and wrong. Russia spending 2+ years slogging away at Ukraine should tell you Russia has little chance of taking on NATO's far superior numbers, which you misrepresent. NATO vs Russia numbers 
 
TBH, your essay style is what I might get asking my Thai wife to write about why Western food tastes better than Thai food, which she doesn't believe.

 

As for Russia's superior tech, you mean Putin's claimed unstoppable hypersonjc missiles, impenetrable S-400 systems, and indestructible T-90 tanks (of which they've lost 125+)?

 

Take Putin's vaunted $1+ billion S-400 system. Good specs but multiple Western systems have made short work of them, Russia has lost ~11 systems so far. Storm shadows go right past and more are being removed by the new ATCKMS. India wonders if they made a mistake buying S-400.

 

VIDEO

Putin explains Crimea is now safe because of S400 (NOT)

S-400 fires 6 missiles at 3 incoming ATACMS hitting none.

Edited June 1 by rabas

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

You've now written three fictional essays based on the same false premise. NATO is not going to attack Russian territory. The rest is just LAW, long and wrong. Russia spending 2+ years slogging away at Ukraine should tell you Russia has little chance of taking on NATO's far superior numbers, which you misrepresent. NATO vs Russia numbers 
 
TBH, your essay style is what I might get asking my Thai wife to write about why Western food tastes better than Thai food, which she doesn't believe.

 

As for Russia's superior tech, you mean Putin's claimed unstoppable hypersonjc missiles, impenetrable S-400 systems, and indestructible T-90 tanks (of which they've lost 125+)?

 

Take Putin's vaunted $1+ billion S-400 system. Good specs but multiple Western systems have made short work of them, Russia has lost ~11 systems so far. Storm shadows go right past and more are being removed by the new ATCKMS. India wonders if they made a mistake buying S-400.

 

VIDEO

Putin explains Crimea is now safe because of S400 (NOT)

S-400 fires 6 missiles at 3 incoming ATACMS hitting none.

Russia has wisely, decided not to launch a full scale invasion of Ukraine. Firstly, Russia has no intention of conquering Ukraine. If it did, it would have to launch a full scale invasion and it is apparently well known in military doctrine that such a move would result in something like a 3:1 casualty rate. Instead, Russia’s intention was to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO and to de-militarise the Ukrainian army that had been trained, supplied and supported by NATO for years. In order to achieve this, Russia has decided on a war of attrition which by all accounts, seems to be working out as planned. It’s been 2+years like you said and during this time, Russia’s economy has been growing at an incredible rate compared to that of the EU and even the US. I don’t think I’ve ever come across an article that claims that Ukraine is winning or that it is likely to win. If you have any,links to such a claim, feel free to share. Russia is able to continue such a strategy indefinitely. I doubt the collective west can.

 

Your wife’s opinion on anything is of no interest to me whatsoever so I stopped reading your post at that point.

[Danderman123]

Russia can't beat Ukraine, how are they going to beat NATO? Get real.

[Danderman123]

Ukraine has few casualties precisely because they don't attack that much. The Ukrainian side is mostly content to have Russia incur mass casualties to make small territorial gains.

 

 

[Danderman123]

Just for once, I would like to hear about some new weapon transferred to Ukraine *after* it's first use.

 

Instead of "we're planning to send a missile with a 200 km range to Ukraine next week".

[Gweiloman]

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Russia can't beat Ukraine, how are they going to beat NATO? Get real.

So all this talk about Moldova/Kazakhstan/Poland/Baltic chihuahuas next after Ukraine is pure nonsense, right? Just western propaganda to keep the grift going which some gullible people on here swallow, hook, line and sinker.

[jas007]

10 hours ago, rabas said:

You've now written three fictional essays based on the same false premise. NATO is not going to attack Russian territory. The rest is just LAW, long and wrong. Russia spending 2+ years slogging away at Ukraine should tell you Russia has little chance of taking on NATO's far superior numbers, which you misrepresent. NATO vs Russia numbers 
 
TBH, your essay style is what I might get asking my Thai wife to write about why Western food tastes better than Thai food, which she doesn't believe.

 

As for Russia's superior tech, you mean Putin's claimed unstoppable hypersonjc missiles, impenetrable S-400 systems, and indestructible T-90 tanks (of which they've lost 125+)?

 

Take Putin's vaunted $1+ billion S-400 system. Good specs but multiple Western systems have made short work of them, Russia has lost ~11 systems so far. Storm shadows go right past and more are being removed by the new ATCKMS. India wonders if they made a mistake buying S-400.

 

VIDEO

Putin explains Crimea is now safe because of S400 (NOT)

S-400 fires 6 missiles at 3 incoming ATACMS hitting none.

Fictional essays?  Here’s the situation, in reality:  Regardless of NATOs intentions towards Russia, what matters is Russia’s perception.  Russia perceives a credible threat, and the West has to deal with Russia in reality, not in some delusional fantasyland. And that’s what the West gets from its spin doctors. A delusional fantasy. Unfortunately, some people believe that fantasy, and so the world is now in grave danger. 
 

Russia “slogging away” at Ukraine?  That’s the propaganda, to be sure. In reality, Russia hasn’t really been at war. They’re taking it slow on purpose. They term it an “special military operation.” And that strategy seems to be working.  Ukraine has lost 500.000 soldiers and is running out of fresh meat for the meat grinder.  If Russia was really at war with Ukraine, Kiev would have been reduced to rubble by now.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

So all this talk about Moldova/Kazakhstan/Poland/Baltic chihuahuas next after Ukraine is pure nonsense, right? Just western propaganda to keep the grift going which some gullible people on here swallow, hook, line and sinker.

That talk is based on Putin's ambitions.

[Gweiloman]

34 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Fictional essays?  Here’s the situation, in reality:  Regardless of NATOs intentions towards Russia, what matters is Russia’s perception.  Russia perceives a credible threat, and the West has to deal with Russia in reality, not in some delusional fantasyland. And that’s what the West gets from its spin doctors. A delusional fantasy. Unfortunately, some people believe that fantasy, and so the world is now in grave danger. 
 

Russia “slogging away” at Ukraine?  That’s the propaganda, to be sure. In reality, Russia hasn’t really been at war. They’re taking it slow on purpose. They term it an “special military operation.” And that strategy seems to be working.  Ukraine has lost 500.000 soldiers and is running out of fresh meat for the meat grinder.  If Russia was really at war with Ukraine, Kiev would have been reduced to rubble by now.

To add to that, it’s really not just Ukraine that’s fighting Russia. If not for the billions of dollars of ammo, weapons and possibly soldiers as well, this conflict would have been over long, long ago.

 

But alas, some people are so wrapped up in their illogical hatred that they have lost their ability to view and analyse reality.

[Gweiloman]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

That talk is based on Putin's ambitions.

As if anyone knows Putin’s ambitions lol. 

Edited June 2 by Gweiloman

[transam]

10 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Russia has wisely, decided not to launch a full scale invasion of Ukraine. Firstly, Russia has no intention of conquering Ukraine. If it did, it would have to launch a full scale invasion and it is apparently well known in military doctrine that such a move would result in something like a 3:1 casualty rate. Instead, Russia’s intention was to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO and to de-militarise the Ukrainian army that had been trained, supplied and supported by NATO for years. In order to achieve this, Russia has decided on a war of attrition which by all accounts, seems to be working out as planned. It’s been 2+years like you said and during this time, Russia’s economy has been growing at an incredible rate compared to that of the EU and even the US. I don’t think I’ve ever come across an article that claims that Ukraine is winning or that it is likely to win. If you have any,links to such a claim, feel free to share. Russia is able to continue such a strategy indefinitely. I doubt the collective west can.

 

Your wife’s opinion on anything is of no interest to me whatsoever so I stopped reading your post at that point.

Is that the latest from your side................🤣