Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, transam said:

But you are an idiot, you cannot understand that most sane people here do not support aggression for land grab of a sovereign nation, and the murder that goes with it....😬

 

People like you would support Hitler, makes you go all gooey, the thought of "might". But your "might" has been shown up to be not so mighty in this case.

 

You keep going on about history, bloody stupid, the USSR is GONE, but your leader can't let go, nor can YOU............🤕 

Pot, kettle, black. Actually not. You’re a coal fired black pot, we are clean electric kettles. We aren’t idiots so that leaves…

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

As usual, all you have is an ad hominem attack because you are unable to challenge or counter the points he raises in his interviews and speeches.

No a link to an explanation as to why. Quite different to an ad hominem attack

[Gweiloman]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why are you speaking for Bob? If they are true put a credible link to the claims. Its that simple

Your usual inexplicable obsession with links. In your mind, only links Don’t you realise not everything you read on the internet is true? Have you lost the ability to analyse and think logically?

[Gweiloman]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No a link to an explanation as to why. Quite different to an ad hominem attack

Whatever. I have read enough of your posts to form an assessment.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Your usual inexplicable obsession with links. In your mind, only links Don’t you realise not everything you read on the internet is true? Have you lost the ability to analyse and think logically?

The rules of the forum, its to stop people making things up and claiming them as true

[Gweiloman]

4 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

So you're admitting that no-one on this thread has said Ukraine is winning convincingly, and in fact you're the only one saying that.

Haha. I can’t say for sure that anyone said Ukraine is winning convincingly but I can say for sure that some have said that Ukraine is winning. In this game of life and death between Russia and Ukraine, is arguing over semantics of any importance when there is a Fab3000 or a cluster bomb headed towards you?

[Gweiloman]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The rules of the forum, its to stop people making things up and claiming them as true

So every article from a “credible” source like BBC or CNN or Bloomberg etc etc is true? Gullibility doesn’t even begin to explain such simple mindedness.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

So every article from a “credible” source like BBC or CNN or Bloomberg etc etc is true? Gullibility doesn’t even begin to explain such simple mindedness.

Making things up again. 

[Gweiloman]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Making things up again. 

Always needing to have the last word. As usual. Do please respond as I know you can’t help yourself. I promise not to respond so that the last word is yours..

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Gweiloman said:

Always needing to have the last word. As usual. Do please respond as I know you can’t help yourself. I promise not to respond so that the last word is yours..

So no link to the bizarre claim then 

 

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Your usual inexplicable obsession with links. In your mind, only links Don’t you realise not everything you read on the internet is true? Have you lost the ability to analyse and think logically?

It's not an obsession with links, it's an obsession with truth.

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

So every article from a “credible” source like BBC or CNN or Bloomberg etc etc is true? Gullibility doesn’t even begin to explain such simple mindedness.

You seem frustrated that you can't back up your claims using reputable media.

[tgw]

4 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

So every article from a “credible” source like BBC or CNN or Bloomberg etc etc is true? Gullibility doesn’t even begin to explain such simple mindedness.

 

It doesn't necessarily mean the content is true, but it means they have a credible and verified source which gave them that information.

 

as for Ruzzian media, well... Russian journalists get killed and foreign journalists sent to prison and charged with "espionage". I can see how Ruzzia can consider true journalism as being espionage.

What you read in your sources is stuff that Ruzzia doesn't consider espionage.

[Bkk Brian]

Netherlands completes export license for 24 F-16s, jets to reach Ukraine 'soon.' 

The Dutch defense minister did not disclose the exact date or other delivery details, citing "operational security" concerns.

https://kyivindependent.com/netherlands-completes-export-license-for-24-f-16s-jets-to-reach-ukraine-soon/

[BobBKK]

13 hours ago, transam said:

But you are an idiot, you cannot understand that most sane people here do not support aggression for land grab of a sovereign nation, and the murder that goes with it....😬

 

People like you would support Hitler, makes you go all gooey, the thought of "might". But your "might" has been shown up to be not so mighty in this case.

 

You keep going on about history, bloody stupid, the USSR is GONE, but your leader can't let go, nor can YOU............🤕 

 This is the state of your post

"You are an idiot"  "You would support Hitler"  total AD HOMINEM immature emotional lashing out at someone who holds a different view than you do - it is pathetic.

[BobBKK]

12 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

 

Let’s face it, you do not know for a fact whether @BobBKK’s casualty figures are true or false so how can you assert that they are false? The western msm might report different figures but that does not mean those figures are correct either. 
 

You believe the sources you choose to believe, that’s your prerogative but don’t try claiming that they are the absolute truth.

 No one truly knows the figure, as you say, but some on here believe anything they are fed from MSM. It's sad the level of debate here sometimes just ad hominem attacks against anyone who wants to debate a different point of view.

[Gweiloman]

8 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

It's not an obsession with links, it's an obsession with truth.

I guess you mean the version of the truth that suits your narrative and bias. You are unlikely to believe anything the Chinese media reports and you definitely won’t believe anything reported by Russian and Iranian media. Similarly, the global majority treats western reports with a ton of salt.

 

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I guess you mean the version of the truth that suits your narrative and bias. You are unlikely to believe anything the Chinese media reports and you definitely won’t believe anything reported by Russian and Iranian media. Similarly, the global majority treats western reports with a ton of salt.

 

Can you please compare western press freedom with that in china, Iran and Russia?

[BobBKK]

14 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

No a link to an explanation as to why. Quite different to an ad hominem attack

 What you mean is a link to a pro-ukraine source. Most links to support the obvious are censored or banned. Freedom of the press is dead.

[BobBKK]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Can you please compare western press freedom with that in china, Iran and Russia?

 False equivalency. No one is saying they have a free press, but that does not mean the West has either.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, BobBKK said:

 What you mean is a link to a pro-ukraine source. Most links to support the obvious are censored or banned. Freedom of the press is dead.

What I mean is a credible link, stop telling me what I mean. 

[BobBKK]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

What I mean is a credible link, stop telling me what I mean. 

 You mean credible as pro-Ukrainian - all pro-Russian are not credible, right?

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 You mean credible as pro-Ukrainian - all pro-Russian are not credible, right?

I mean this:

 

"Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."

 

If you cant understand that then I cannot help you further

[BobBKK]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

I mean this:

 

"Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."

 

If you cant understand that then I cannot help you further

 
What is an "approved credible source"? Is there a list?  I have posted before from solid sources, and it was deleted.  For example, Professor Mearsheimer and Professor Sachs are credible sources, as they are both professors at US universities. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, BobBKK said:

 
What is an "approved credible source"? Is there a list?  I have posted before from solid sources, and it was deleted.  For example, Professor Mearsheimer and Professor Sachs are credible sources, as they are both professors at US universities. 

Stop the baiting and get back on topic this is not about Professors economists, social media owners or pedos such as Ritter who you claimed in a previous post.

 

 

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Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[thaibeachlovers]

On 7/1/2024 at 12:20 PM, Gweiloman said:

Hundreds, if not thousands of posts and videos on this forum alone showing Russian assets being blown up, from the Black Sea to hundreds of kms well within Russia proper, thousands of square miles of territory being recaptured, hundreds of troops being encircled and killed, practically all air defence systems destroyed, billions of dollars being poured into the effort, major Russian companies on the brink of bankruptcy, Russia’s economy on the brink of collapse, tens of thousands of sanctions, overwhelming majority cheering Ukraine on.

 

On the other hand, an occasional video by @BobBKK of a bomb dropped on some building in Ukraine…

 

If I obtained  my news from AN, not only would I think that Ukraine is winning convincingly, I would think they have already won lol.

Yeah, going by the majority posts on here, Putin will be handing over the keys to the Kremlin as soon as the Ukrainian F 16s appear over the front lines and send the orcs scurrying back to Russia, or at least those that survive.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Can you please compare western press freedom with that in china, Iran and Russia?

Press freedom does not = truth. There may be truth, but it's not guaranteed.

Seems to me "news" these sad days is more opinion than reported facts.

[GroveHillWanderer]

29 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yeah, going by the majority posts on here, Putin will be handing over the keys to the Kremlin as soon as the Ukrainian F 16s appear over the front lines and send the orcs scurrying back to Russia, or at least those that survive.

Again with the mis-characterisations. Nobody on here has been predicting a swift Ukrainian victory and nobody (that I can recall) has talked about the F-16's as being a game changer.*

 

If you could point to where anyone has said either of those things, I'd be grateful.

 

*Indeed, I have said I think that Gripens would be a better option than F-16's.

[Bkk Brian]

Russians running like rabbits. Courtesy of Ministry of Defense of Ukraine

 

🇺🇦 Tank in service with the 1st Tank Brigade is destroying the enemy positions in close combat. 
The occupiers are running away.