One dead, 30 injured in Singapore Airlines emergency landing

[Walker88]

30 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

They serve breakfast at 4pm ?

Hard to believe as it might seem, some people do not adjust to jet lag during the flight itself, and their bodies are still locked in the time of the place of departure. Thus, breakfast near the end of a 10 hour flight, which was a red eye from the perspective of the passengers.

 

Another point about the altitude drop...while the articles are still somewhat confusing, it seems the turbulence resulted in an upward move of about 100 feet, and then a downward move of 300 feet. Once the pilot regained control, he began a decent at the normal Boeing 777 FPM rate over several minutes, down to FL310 in preparation for the emergency landing at BKK.

 

That area south of Yangon is prone to turbulence, and a tropical storm in the area likely added to it. A few weeks ago the flight I was on experienced severe turbulence in the same area---and also as breakfast was being served. Dishes flew around the cabin breaking as they hit the ceiling, and a flight attendant serving my food fell on top of me. No injuries, but lots of faster heartbeats, including on the crew.

[Georgealbert]

3 minutes ago, digbeth said:

 

The initial external shots seem to show ambulance from BDMS (Bangkok Hospital) which has clinic at the airport

They wouldn't open the airside gate to volunteer service who's not trained on how to drive on the tarmac and has appropriate radio 

 

but making passengers with minor cuts walk on their own on the jetway or even use the airport transfer bus is probably not a good look or experience after a very traumatic experience

 

understandable that with mass casualty event, the need for ambulance transport to the hospital might overwhelm the local ambulance 

Ruamkatanyu headquater is just south of the airport

 

Sawang Boriboon is a Pattaya only foundation, there are other Sawang- foundations in other provinces but not in Pattaya

 

the big volunteer foundations in Bangkok are Poh Tek Tung and Ruamkatanyu 

 

 

Excellent comment.

 

The RVP was set up in one of the airports car parks and all ambulances were escorted air side in a single convoy, video of this posted before,

 

A forward incident command post was set up at the airport fire station, pictured below.

 

Initial triage was done on board, with those needing hospital attention transported by ambulance, minor first aid cases were dealt with at the airport.

 

A Singapore Airline Go Team, initially from local staff and then supported by others deployed from Singapore, worked with local agencies to help passengers.

[Ralf001]

2 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Hard to believe as it might seem, some people do not adjust to jet lag during the flight itself, and their bodies are still locked in the time of the place of departure. Thus, breakfast near the end of a 10 hour flight, which was a red eye from the perspective of the passengers.

 

 

 

Yeah nah.

 

Ive done many flights to UK and USA... breakfast was never served at 4pm Thai time.

[twizzian]

Some of those terrified passengers will probably never want to fly again.

My older son was on a Quatar flight that briefly lost both engines and dropped like a stone, he couldn't fly again for at least three years after.

 

I can also imagine the possible structural damage to the Singapore plane during this incident.

[twizzian]

Some of those terrified passengers will probably never want to fly again.

My older son was on a Quatar flight that briefly lost both engines and dropped like a stone, he couldn't fly again for at least three years after.

 

I can also imagine the possible structural damage to the Singapore plane during this incident.

[RobU]

26 minutes ago, Mugi said:

I wonder if Thaiger has not more experienced writers. The article is very bad written with a big mistake. Do they have 4 eyes principle for counter reading?

If I could delete my account I would have done already. But they not allow to keep figures high.

I agree with you. This used to be a good forum with references and links to articles in other publications. The Thaiger was noted for it's atrocious reporting standards, zero facts checking and lack of editorial oversight. I suspect, as someone else has said, that articles from other publications have been fed into the ChatGpt AI and it's output published without anybody actually reading it prior to publication Apparently this AI is also better at translation than Google Translate. I am searching now for a another forum the Thaiger has ruined Asean Now with plagiarism and stupidity missing out relevant details or publishing outright lies, as in this case 

[dinsdale]

33 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

weather has been pretty ordinary around these parts of late..... was it clear air turbulance ?

From what I've read yes so please stop you're puerile baiting attemps. Being that you obviously have no idea what clear air turbulence is here's a definition.

Clear Air Turbulence (CAT)

Clear Air Turbulence (CAT) is defined as sudden severe turbulence occurring in cloudless regions that causes violent buffeting of aircraft. This term is commonly applied to higher altitude turbulence associated with wind shear. The most comprehensive definition is high-altitude turbulence encountered outside of convective clouds. This includes turbulence in cirrus clouds, within and in the vicinity of standing lenticular clouds and, in some cases, in clear air in the vicinity of thunderstorms. Generally, though, CAT definitions exclude turbulence caused by thunderstorms, low-altitude temperature inversions, thermals, strong surface winds, or local terrain features [source: FAA AC 00-30C].

https://skybrary.aero/articles/clear-air-turbulence-cat

[freeworld]

12 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

t would appear that the plane was close to falling apart.

Nor likely/

[Ralf001]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

From what I've read yes so please stop you're puerile baiting attemps. Being that you obviously have no idea what clear air turbulence is here's a definition.

Clear Air Turbulence (CAT)

Clear Air Turbulence (CAT) is defined as sudden severe turbulence occurring in cloudless regions that causes violent buffeting of aircraft. This term is commonly applied to higher altitude turbulence associated with wind shear. The most comprehensive definition is high-altitude turbulence encountered outside of convective clouds. This includes turbulence in cirrus clouds, within and in the vicinity of standing lenticular clouds and, in some cases, in clear air in the vicinity of thunderstorms. Generally, though, CAT definitions exclude turbulence caused by thunderstorms, low-altitude temperature inversions, thermals, strong surface winds, or local terrain features [source: FAA AC 00-30C].

https://skybrary.aero/articles/clear-air-turbulence-cat

 

Given the weather in the region.... Turbulance surely was not unexpected.

[twizzian]

Some of those terrified passengers will probably never want to fly again.

My older son was on a Quatar flight that briefly lost both engines and dropped like a stone, he couldn't fly again for at least three years after.

 

I can also imagine the possible structural damage to the Singapore plane during this incident.

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Given the weather in the region.... Turbulance surely was not unexpected.

Rediculous comment and clearly shows your lack of knowledge about turbulence and doppler radar. It is absolutely evident that this particular patch of turbulence was very much unexpected. It happens. 

[charleskerins]

12 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Fair chance some of the overhead damage was from people smashing into it not the other way round.

Correct,  excellent article in the WAPO about the incident   unless of course that is considered by some "fake news"       Global warming is cited as a factor      the hoax continues.

[Parker2100]

'The death was cause by not buckling the seatbelt while landing".  Seriously?

 

No, I am pretty sure the death was caused by the "unexpected air turbulence" when nobody was wearing their seatbelts.

 

Is this a weak attempt to blame the passenger instead of the accident?

 

 

 

[RobU]

1 hour ago, NemoH said:

Too soon for this. We don’t know if they could have been avoided the turbulence.

Turbulence is not necessarily visible unless water vapour (clouds) is present so pilots cannot avoid it unless it has been reported to them from the ground observatories. Air pockets can occured in clear, otherwise untroubled, sky and you don't know they are there until you hit them. And the plane drops suddenly hundreds of feet because the air pressure in that air pocket is considerably less and the wings cannot provide adequate lift

[scubascuba3]

For those not understanding potential damage to eardrums due to sudden drop in altitude @Woof999

[dinsdale]

5 minutes ago, Parker2100 said:

'The death was cause by not buckling the seatbelt while landing".  Seriously?

 

No, I am pretty sure the death was caused by the "unexpected air turbulence" when nobody was wearing their seatbelts.

 

Is this a weak attempt to blame the passenger instead of the accident?

 

 

 

Not "nobody" wearing seatbelts. Those buckled up would have been basically unaffected (scared shtless for sure) but those not buckled up would have been airborne.

[Ralf001]

19 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Rediculous comment and clearly shows your lack of knowledge about turbulence and doppler radar. It is absolutely evident that this particular patch of turbulence was very much unexpected. It happens. 

yeah..... weather around these parts at the moment is clear as aye.

 

idiot.

[Kaopad999]

if it's Boeing, i'm not going!

[Georgealbert]

7 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

if it's Boeing, i'm not going!

Nonsense post.

 

This was weather event and maybe shows how safe the aircraft was.

[Kaopad999]

Just now, Georgealbert said:

Nonsense post

 

This was weather event and maybe shows how safe the aircraft was.

But i believe the modern airbus has much better tracking systems for bad weather..  That's what i Pilot told me anyways... 

[SAFETY FIRST]

1 hour ago, wensiensheng said:

According to the BBC the passenger who died did so from a heart attack.

 

There were 2 deaths. 

 

[Ralf001]

1 hour ago, Parker2100 said:

'The death was cause by not buckling the seatbelt while landing".  Seriously?

 

No, I am pretty sure the death was caused by the "unexpected air turbulence" when nobody was wearing their seatbelts.

 

Is this a weak attempt to blame the passenger instead of the accident?

 

 

 

Was it not reported this old brit died from heart attack ?

[dinsdale]

28 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

yeah..... weather around these parts at the moment is clear as aye.

 

idiot.

I'm sorry you're upset and have to lash out calling me an idiot. Sadly it would seem you didn't read or didn't understand the definition of clear air turbulence posted above. Pilots fly above, around and between storms. You know where there air is clear and where clear air turbulence can be encountered. It's not a difficult concept to understand.

I've copied this from @Georgealbert (cheers hope you don't mind) and it clearly shows an area which is ..... well ....clear!

 

[Older and Wiser]

According to sky news, the plane encountered severe turbulence over Myanmar and dropped 6,000 feet. A 73 year old male passenger died of apparent heart attack and many passengers not wearing seat belts were thrown into the air, hitting the ceiling. The plane made an emergency landing in Bkk where ambulances were waiting to take injured to hospital.

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, NemoH said:

Too soon for this. We don’t know if they could have been avoided the turbulence.

Other posts say that this turbulence does not show up on the aircraft radar systems;  in fact there is no warning of the turbulence conditions.

 

So it seems the flight crew could not have known turbulence was coming up, therefore they could not have taken any action to avoid the turbulence. 

[Georgealbert]

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I'm sorry you're upset and have to lash out calling me an idiot. Sadly it would seem you didn't read or didn't understand the definition of clear air turbulence posted above. Pilots fly above, around, between and over storms. You know where there air is clear and where clear air turbulence can be encountered. It's not a difficult concept to understand.

I've copied this from @Georgealbert (cheers hope you don't mind) and it clearly shows an area which is ..... well ....clear!

 

Feel free, I copied it from AV Hearld 5555

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Yeah nah.

 

Ive done many flights to UK and USA... breakfast was never served at 4pm Thai time.

 

Maybe a passenger mentioned 'breakfast' but the passenger used a wrong word, easy enough to happen.

 

Maybe it was a snack being served because of the time expired since the last meal.

 

No need to make an issue of it. 

 

 

[Georgealbert]

9 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

There were 2 deaths. 

 

Not been officially confirm.

 

I have posted all the Singapore Airlines updates above.

[Smokey and the Bandit]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Not all turbulence will be detected. This would seem to be the case here.

Correct, clear air turbulence is difficult to detect, planes flying thru it would report to other aircraft the location as an advisory.

According to CNN it may have been a rapidly developing thunderstorm.

"The FlightRadar24 data show the flight, which was cruising at 37,000 feet, suddenly dipping then rapidly climbing a few hundred feet before dipping and climbing again and then finally settling back at its cruising altitude. The entire disruption took about 90 seconds, according to the data, but resulted in dozens of injuries, including a fatality.

The flight likely encountered rapidly developing thunderstorms over southern Myanmar on Tuesday during the time that extreme turbulence was reported, according to CNN Weather analysis.

The analysis of satellite data shows an area of developing thunderstorms over the Irrawaddy Delta between 7 a.m. and 8:30 a.m. GMT (early afternoon local time). This corresponds to the same time and location reported by the airline and independent data analysis of the flight track from FlightRadar24."

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/21/world/singapore-airlines-turbulence-bangkok/index.html

[Tropicalevo]

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

 

They serve breakfast at 4pm ?

It was an overnight flight.

Time zone differences?

It would be breakfast time in the UK for some.