Physical Altercation Between Guards and Customers on Soi 6 in Pattaya Goes Viral

[Ralf001]

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

Go on. Dig your hole a little deeper. You are still supporting murderous thugs over the victims.

Who got murdered and who did the murdering ?

[MangoKorat]

7 hours ago, cookie1974 said:

As a brit myself i do have to agree with you but its mainly the younger idiots who have no idea how to behave anywhere and when abroad they have no respect for anyone or anything and make all brits look bad

Its not only Brits and that's the fact of it.  Would I accept my countrymen sometimes behave badly abroad - yes.  Would I say they are the only ones - no way.

 

Using football hooligans as an example - the UK is often portayed as the hub of it, yet there is much more severe violence in many other European countries - Poland and Turkey spring to mind. Even then, its not limited to Europe - Indonesia has a long history of football hooliganism.

 

Granted, there are nations who's young men behave much better than some but the problem of violence amongst and between young men is actually world wide.  Although its not reported as much these days, Thailand had (has) a major problem with gangs at Technical Colleges - rival gangs of kids as young as 14-16 have even killed each other. A lot of violence in Thailand goes (intentionally I suspect) unreported.

 

This is not a new problem and its wrong to say that one nationality is worse than others - its a problem concerning young men, mainly under 30 and when you introduce alcohol into the mix, things get far, far worse.

 

Security guards are supposed to stop violence through restraint, not perpetrate it.  There is no excuse for the behaviour of the Brits in this incident but there is even less excuse for the actions of the 'Security Guards'. 

 

Thailand will try to play this down because of the effect on the country's reputation/tourism.  I hope that doesn't work this time and that the incident is given to publicity it deserves.  The 'security' business in Thailand needs regulating in Thailand - just as it has been in the UK and many other European countries. Thugs and gangsters cannot be allowed to run these businesses.

[patman30]

Just now, ChumpChange said:

Whether they knew the 3rd guy or not doesn't seem materiel. Fact is they already paid all outstanding bills before any violence erupted. 

As you said, guards should have left and no violence should have occurred at all. But these guards are probably looking for any opportunity to smash up anyone who is a bit drunk and acting a bit aggressive. They also probably want to prove their worth to the bar owners and as to why they should be paid to be there. All of it is all wrong on every level. 

i do not disagree at all
i only mention the 3rd guy as if unknown to them, then it clearly justifies the tourists reactions when asked to pay someone else's bill
but if they did know the person and were all together as a group, then yeh a bit dumb to kick up a fuss with the cashier to start it all if it was theirs mates bin, just pay it.

[MangoKorat]

2 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Oh, thanks for letting me know. I have a suggestion. Don´t read them then. Se, now I helped as you seem to have problem finding a solution on your own. 😉 

A better suggestion, why don't you stop writing your rubbish and get your facts straight?

[Sinsot]

46 minutes ago, BritScot said:

Open your ears and eyes. I suppose the old couple and their son a few years ago who got a severe gang kickdown ending in hospital and very serious injuries was a figment of the imagination.  Wake up for god sake or does it make you feel safe victim blaming? This could very easily happen to you so better lock your door and hide under your bed....

The old lady that got the kicking wasn't entirely innocent, she walks up and slaps the Thai thug which sends them crazy. Way over the top reaction and beating the <deleted> out of an old couple is pretty sick, people need to realise some of these Thais don't play by the rules.

[ChumpChange]

Just now, patman30 said:

i do not disagree at all
i only mention the 3rd guy as if unknown to them, then it clearly justifies the tourists reactions when asked to pay someone else's bill
but if they did know the person and were all together as a group, then yeh a bit dumb to kick up a fuss with the cashier to start it all if it was theirs mates bin, just pay it.

According to the cashier, they were all together as a group of 3. Mates presumably. 

[Maitdjai]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

I guess I'm longer in this country than you and know how to avoid such incidents. 

You're talking just gibberish.

I'd say you have to learn a lot. You can ask me for advice.👍

I'll give a fart, how long you're staying in the country, or under whatever stone.
You can guess what you like. You need a second guessing?
What you "would" say is irrelevant, if you don't say it. 
Also, there is no need for me to ask you for advice,
when you're dispatching your “smart axe” wisdoms anyway, even if nobody asked for it.
The thread is “about” the incident itself, its consequences for all participants.
Not how to avoid it.
 

Edited May 27 by Maitdjai

[patman30]

3 minutes ago, ChumpChange said:

According to the cashier, they were all together as a group of 3. Mates presumably. 

yes that was the point i initially made
what the cashier sees may not be the case
they could have met the 3rd guy minutes or hours before and got chatting,
could have even met him walking down soi 6
just because they enter together, does not mean they are together.
i knew long stayers who were known for doing this, have met others who brag of doing this

Edited May 27 by patman30

[ChumpChange]

1 minute ago, patman30 said:

yes that was the point i initially made
what the cashier sees may not be the case
they could have met the 3rd guy minutes or hours before and got chatting,
could have even met him walking down soi 6
just because they enter together, does not mean they are together.
i knew long stayers who were known for doing this, have met others who brag of doing this

Fine. Possible. The phenomenon isn't so fascinating though. Also, needless conjecture and became moot (prior to any violence) once all bills were already paid. 

[MangoKorat]

26 minutes ago, ChumpChange said:

Three security guards who assaulted two foreign visitors admitted that their actions were excessive and apologized to Thai society for their actions.

Nowhere near good enough - not even for the Thai side. I doubt even the Thai public will be satisfied.

 

From a legal point of view, all three should be charged with assault and the one who kicked the guy in the head should be facing an attempted murder charge.

Edited May 27 by MangoKorat

[Sinsot]

2 minutes ago, patman30 said:

yes that was the point i initially made
what the cashier sees may not be the case
they could have met the 3rd guy minutes or hours before and got chatting,
could have even met him walking down soi 6
just because they enter together, does not mean they are together.
i knew long stayers who were known for doing this, have met others who brag of doing this

Or they could have meet the 3rd guy minutes or hours before and thought they would try and stick him with their bin. All assumptions at this stage🤷

[ChumpChange]

Just now, MangoKorat said:

Nowhere near good enough. All three should be charged with assault and the one who kicked the guy in the head should be facing an attempted murder charge.

Totally agree. I was also being sarcastic a bit in my post. 

[Bvor]

30 minutes ago, Chris Renaix said:

Well I have seen this brawl from different angles now, and yes, that would be clear murder

the 3 thugs have admitted their guilt. if not murder then all 3 thugs punching and kicking prostrate semi conscious people amounts to attempted murder in most civilised countries. 

[patman30]

1 minute ago, Sinsot said:

Or they could have meet the 3rd guy minutes or hours before and thought they would try and stick him with their bin. All assumptions at this stage🤷

read my above post
i am not making assumptions or saying what happened
i am pointing out something that does happen frequently in Pattaya

[Sinsot]

2 minutes ago, patman30 said:

read my above post
i am not making assumptions or saying what happened
i am pointing out something that does happen frequently in Pattaya

I know, i'm pointing out the same thing.

[rocketboy2]

Nice to see the real Thailand.

Made me think of that swiss guy a few months back

It's just not in the same universe. 

3 wai's and on your way.

Amazing Thailand.

 

[MangoKorat]

9 minutes ago, ChumpChange said:

Totally agree. I was also being sarcastic a bit in my post. 

Yes I know you were.  However, the Thai police's attitude seems to be that all they have to do is say sorry. I suspect that they will also have contributed to the Thai Police Benevolent Fund.

Edited May 27 by MangoKorat

[Sandboxer]

If this was a similar type of street (or for that matter, a small sin city, especially if a lot of the local are names something like "Jermaine Tyrone Washington") in 'Murica there'd be five GSW/stab cadavers every night, so frankly I consider these occasional falang dork beatdowns by chimp wannabe gangstas to be pretty much nothingburgers.

 

 

[FruitPudding]

3 hours ago, xhruso00 said:

Reddit under ThailandTourism has the full CCTV from bar.

 

Yup, and - surprised surprise - they didn't hit a woman (or anyone) inside the bar.

 

He pointed his finger at the cashier whom he appeared to be having a disagreement with. No surprise there either.

 

I guess padding isn't just for bras.

[Liverpool Lou]

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

one guard ran up to the guy and kicked him to make sure the kick had some extra lethalness to it.

 

It's about time Thai authorities criminalize this sick behavior by security guards.

It is criminalised!

[ChumpChange]

4 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Yes I know you were.  However, the Thai police's attitude seems to be that all they have to do is say sorry. I suspect that they will also have contributed to the Thai Police Benevolent Fund.

It might even be more incestuous than that, but I don't want to throw around anecdotal conjecture.
 

Let's say though they might also be seen as being useful to keep other hands clean and to handle and take the fall in certain situations when needed. 

[Pattaya57]

15 minutes ago, patman30 said:

yes that was the point i initially made what the cashier sees may not be the case
they could have met the 3rd guy minutes or hours before and got chatting,
could have even met him walking down soi 6
just because they enter together, does not mean they are together.
i knew long stayers who were known for doing this, have met others who brag of doing this

I was at a Pattaya bar and as place was full waitress asked if ok for two guys to join my table, no problem I said. When I ordered a beer they then proceeded to get theirs and tell waitress put on my bill. I should have been checking but had no clue someone would brazenly do that. 

 

Once I noticed I had different beers on my bill waitress pointed at the 2 guys and told me they said ok to put on my bill. When I asked the guys why they just shrugged their shoulders and said why not.

 

So yes, they may not have even known the 3rd guy who didn't pay his bill 

[RJRS1301]

12 hours ago, webfact said:

 

PATTAYA – An altercation occurred in Pattaya City on Soi Six over the past weekend involving security personnel working for independent bars from an undisclosed entertainment venue and three foreign nationals. The incident, which took place at 5:26 p.m. on Friday, May 24th, 2024, was captured on video and disseminated through social media, going viral.

The videos, each lasting approximately one minute, depict the security guards engaging in a physical confrontation with the foreign individuals. The footage shows one unidentified tourist in a white shirt seemingly being attacked by the guards, followed by a second tourist in a gray shirt who intervenes and is subsequently assaulted.

 

As the videos may disturb sensitive readers, we have decided not to show them here, although they are widely available online.

 

One unidentified foreign tourist appears to be kicked in the head by a guard while lying injured on the ground at the end of the fight, which caused significant discourse and commentary on both Thai and English social media. His condition is still to be confirmed by police publicly as of press time.

 

By Adam Judd

 

Full story: THE PATTAYA NEWS 2024-05-27

 

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I am always horrified that people "kick" when people are on the ground, why?
 

[ChumpChange]

2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

I am always horrified that people "kick" when people are on the ground, why?
 

"He-He Ha-Ha". Bully mentality. 

[Red Forever]

5 hours ago, Taboo2 said:

Have they blamed weed for this incident?  We know how they blame weed for everything now in Thailand.

Ooh, touchy or what?

Time for the next spliff.

[ChumpChange]

3 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said:

Once I noticed I had different beers on my bill waitress pointed at the 2 guys and told me they said ok to put on my bill. When I asked the guys why they just shrugged their shoulders and said why not.

It's been so long since I've sat in any type of bar like that, but back in the day you often met guys in bars like those who would do the opposite and buy you a beer instead. 
 

Well, did they at least offer you a reach around in return? Seems like the least they could've done as a courtesy. 

[Spock]

4 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

No, absolutely nothing deserves a fatal kick to the head. Nothing can call for the way the gourds were acting, as they should have the training and mentality to handle things without violence or only subdue people if necessary until police arrives. I have never contested that. So, now you can stop with the verbal assault, by calling my out to be an absolute idiot.

But, yes, I knew, but not defending the outcome, that the Brits did not accept the way and culture, as they started to point and one actually wanted to fight with the guards. They walked around showing anger in public and where screaming. Basically doing everything to escalate the problem. They should have asked the bar to call the cops or continued to keep the argument and discussion on a decent level.

They are no doubt tourists. Do you expect foreigners coming for a holiday to be aware of the subtle nuances of Thai society and behaviour? Bouncers in tourist areas need to act with restraint and professionalism and defuse rather than inflame situations that they are called on to sort out. These guys are out of control thugs and to suggest that tourists bring a severe beating on themselves by yelling is an absolute nonsense, the sort of crap that a certain unfortunate sector of expats and others tend to spout each time an incident like this occurs.

[ChumpChange]

1 minute ago, Red Forever said:

Time for the next spliff.

 
Spliff is so eighties bruh. It's a "fatty" mang.  

[JonnyF]

29 minutes ago, patman30 said:

yes that was the point i initially made
what the cashier sees may not be the case
they could have met the 3rd guy minutes or hours before and got chatting,
could have even met him walking down soi 6
just because they enter together, does not mean they are together.
i knew long stayers who were known for doing this, have met others who brag of doing this

 

If I had to guess, they probably all got chatting in the bar and then one guy leaves without paying and the bargirl didn't want to get stung for the upaid bill so tried to pin it on the other two.

 

Curious that we haven't heard anything about the condition of the 2 guys that were beaten. Maybe the authorities are staying quiet for as long as possible and hoping they recover so this doesn't become another "murder in Thailand" story. 

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

If I had to guess, they probably all got chatting in the bar and then one guy leaves without paying and the bargirl didn't want to get stung for the upaid bill so tried to pin it on the other two.

 

Curious that we haven't heard anything about the condition of the 2 guys that were beaten. Maybe the authorities are staying quiet for as long as possible and hoping they recover so this doesn't become another "murder in Thailand" story. 

manslaughter, not murder.