TroubleandGrumpy Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 minute ago, earlinclaifornia said: Alternate facts, as outlined by Fox News. Election interference got your toung tied up in knots it seems. The part about you claiming he will win the election makes you look foolish. We all know how well that played out! Convicted felon. I love how you loony left think we get our opinions from Fox etc. I have not weatched or seen Fox for years. But I know the reason why you do that - you get all your opinions from CNN etc. and so you think like this - 'My CNN is better than your Fox'. It always amazes me how quickly the lefties will parrot any phrase they are fed and so very quickly - like 'insurrection' or 'Russian Collusion'. But then I realise it is their 'hive mind' mentality - and that is also why they think Socialism is a good thing - they love the security of centralised control and guidence. Until they ever visit China or Nth Korea or Iran. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrwest Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 5 hours ago, Tug said: Personally I’d like to see the more serious cases adjudicated before the election…..facts aren’t trump’s friends…..2 impeachments 34 felony convictions adjudged the worst president in history a rapist a charity embezzler a convicted fraud (trump scam university) a debt welcher enough !ditch the albatross take the hit let the law take its course …… Agree, Tug ... Then again, hmm, I did want to see a knock down election outcome where (I had hoped) the vast majority of American citizen voters would have soundly rejected him and his ilk. This and the retention of "secure" documents, section interference may well allow enough "wiggle room" for many of those Republicans running for office to rewrite their stories before the election (I'm thinking, for example, those who appeared at the trial in his defense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moncul Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 13 hours ago, charleskerins said: Maybe [Trump] can call the jurists and say find me 11 votes? He only needed one. 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 12 minutes ago, riclag said: First time for everything ! First former Potus to be dem convicted , as a result his donation site crashed! The Democrats may have unwittingly created a martyr. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 1 minute ago, Hanaguma said: The Democrats may have unwittingly created a martyr. Is he dead? 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Give it a go Jonny, try and answer the ‘on topic’ question. Do you accept this Jury verdict of guilt against Trump? I'll take a stab. Yes, I accept the verdict. That is part of being in a free country- accepting results that you may not agree with. Now we will deal with the fallout, both legally and politically. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: The Democrats may have unwittingly created a martyr. Trump bilking his rubes is nothing to be pleased about. He’s grifting. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bob smith Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 (edited) 45 minutes ago, gravity101 said: I find it funny Trump supporters parrot the exact same talking points and phrases as their boss. It's almost as though they are cultists without self thought. I am by no means a Trump supporter, but Joe Biden is by far the most pathetic president in the long list of pathetic presidents. bob. Edited May 31 by bob smith 2 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 minute ago, Eric Loh said: Is he dead? You really want to play dictionary games instead of addressing the actual point? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 1 minute ago, Hanaguma said: I'll take a stab. Yes, I accept the verdict. That is part of being in a free country- accepting results that you may not agree with. Now we will deal with the fallout, both legally and politically. Good for you. I’m sure many people who might be Trump voters are now considering if they want to vote for a convicted felon. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvs Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 4 hours ago, Walker88 said: Another bit of fallout from the conviction: A convicted felon is not allowed to receive classified briefings. Low level classified briefings are usually part of the pricess for the two Party candidates. By law, the convicted felon is now not able to receive them. What bothers me is that a convicted criminal can still run for president! Surely that should be changed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyExpat57 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 12 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: Judge is human like you and me. The attacks on him and family have been vicious and personal. Hard to predict how Justic Juan Merchan would handle the sentencing but this is not a one-off case about payoff but a eleborate wide-ranging effort to bury potentially damaging stories to protect Trump's Presidential bid. The entirety of the plan and the facts and cicumstances that came out during the trial warrant a sentence of incarceration. The delight to sentence Trump will be his icing on the cake. I am DESPARATELY trying to find a way to argue with you just to keep things neutral but can't get there in my mind. CKUF YEAH it will be icing on the cake!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 2 minutes ago, jvs said: What bothers me is that a convicted criminal can still run for president! Surely that should be changed. Yes now you have the conviction let's change the law to keep Trump out of office. That seems fair. 😃 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moncul Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 3 minutes ago, jvs said: What bothers me is that a convicted criminal can still run for president! Surely that should be changed. He could run from prison. I believe there is a precedent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvs Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 26 minutes ago, charleskerins said: Fully investigate a lie ? That will take 1 minute - Now is he going to fully investigate his role in trying to rig it? Doubt it Only an enemy of American Democracy and the Constitution would support this crook. I guess that's why Russia and China support Don's election. "Unlike last time, he knows what to do and how to do it - last time they delayed him and then blindsided him - never again." Cripes what an absolute joke pathetic. Looking at the verdict i would say the 2016 election was rigged? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroubleandGrumpy Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: I'll take a stab. Yes, I accept the verdict. That is part of being in a free country- accepting results that you may not agree with. Now we will deal with the fallout, both legally and politically. It will be overturned on appeal - whewn the actual 'legal proceedings' are themselves ruled unconstitutional. But it amazes me that the loony lefties here do not see what you and I and many righties can clearly see. This is not a 'win' - this is a pivatol moment in USA politics - the use of the Justice System by one side to criminalise a political opponent. Do they really think that the GOP/Right is going to all back down and say we are wrong and not respond? This is a bad moment in USA history - and everything is now on the table - the political divide in USA has forever been broken apart. At best this is a 'Phyric Victory' - but at its worst it is the beginning of the end of the USA as a society. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrwest Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 5 hours ago, metisdead said: A post with an offensive porn comment has been removed. I respect your call. It is a bit of irony as a critical piece of this case is dealing with the coverup of dealing with a porn star ... so porn comments are more difficult to parse, I would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, Hanaguma said: You may find that a lot of people don't care. Here is a news flash- a lot of people who will vote for Trump actually don't like him very much. But they do like how America was when he was president. So a conviction on some paper crimes won't move the needle. A lot of people comment, "oh my God! How can anyone who calls themself a Christian vote for Trump?" See above. They don't see either candidate as particularly faithful or godly, so they vote based on other issues. Your right about that! Its the issues ! I see a very simple counter argument ! Why would I vote for dem convicted felon, my reply , The border& prices for goods! “Trump verdict would likely move only a small number of votes, poll finds”. https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/nx-s1-4974598/trump-verdict-trial-voters-presidential-election 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvs Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 2 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Yes now you have the conviction let's change the law to keep Trump out of office. That seems fair. 😃 Not only Trump but any convicted criminal should not be able to run for office. Time to do some amending. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HappyExpat57 Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 (edited) 15 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said: I love how you loony left think we get our opinions from Fox etc. I have not weatched or seen Fox for years. But I know the reason why you do that - you get all your opinions from CNN etc. and so you think like this - 'My CNN is better than your Fox'. It always amazes me how quickly the lefties will parrot any phrase they are fed and so very quickly - like 'insurrection' or 'Russian Collusion'. But then I realise it is their 'hive mind' mentality - and that is also why they think Socialism is a good thing - they love the security of centralised control and guidence. Until they ever visit China or Nth Korea or Iran. CNN/MSNBC et al have NOT lost law suits for $787 BILLION for lying. Fox Not News HAS. See the difference? Edited May 31 by HappyExpat57 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Good for you. I’m sure many people who might be Trump voters are now considering if they want to vote for a convicted felon. To be honest, I don't think a lot of people will care. It is a hard crime to describe in an way that makes easy sense to a lot of people. "Trump stole money!" would be an easy one. "Trump didn't keep his books accurately and that may have been due to his worry about the election, or possibly...." is harder to use. That is why the whole discussion stops at either "convicted felon" or "34 counts!!" without any cogent explanation. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 3 minutes ago, jvs said: Looking at the verdict i would say the 2016 election was rigged? Not rigged, but Trump cheated. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 1 minute ago, Hanaguma said: To be honest, I don't think a lot of people will care. It is a hard crime to describe in an way that makes easy sense to a lot of people. "Trump stole money!" would be an easy one. "Trump didn't keep his books accurately and that may have been due to his worry about the election, or possibly...." is harder to use. That is why the whole discussion stops at either "convicted felon" or "34 counts!!" without any cogent explanation. Trump hid pertinent facts from voters, and then covered it up. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvs Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 minute ago, Danderman123 said: Not rigged, but Trump cheated. So trump rigged it?in a way? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: You really want to play dictionary games instead of addressing the actual point? So what your actual point. Do you mean to say that Trump is a martyr because he is like Jesus who died for the people? Get a life mate. TRump no martyr but a 34 times convicted felon. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Just now, jvs said: So trump rigged it?in a way? "Rigged" implies that Trump could not have lost the 2016 election, which was not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 1 minute ago, Hanaguma said: That is why the whole discussion stops at either "convicted felon" or "34 counts!!" without any cogent explanation. I think finding him guilty on all 34 doesn't look legit. If it was say, 25 out of 34 people might think it was a fair and well considered judgement. Now, with a slam dunk of all 34 it looks like there could have been a 35th charge of flying to Mars on a unicorn without a licence and he'd have 35 counts. The optics are terrible and are likely to increase his support. 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Moncul Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 1 minute ago, TroubleandGrumpy said: At best this is a 'Phyric Victory' - but at its worst it is the beginning of the end of the USA as a society. How very dramatic. And, of course, ridiculously exaggerated. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HappyExpat57 Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: To be honest, I don't think a lot of people will care. It is a hard crime to describe in an way that makes easy sense to a lot of people. "Trump stole money!" would be an easy one. "Trump didn't keep his books accurately and that may have been due to his worry about the election, or possibly...." is harder to use. That is why the whole discussion stops at either "convicted felon" or "34 counts!!" without any cogent explanation. When women were asked why they voted for Bill Clinton, a large number replied they thought he was cute. The electorate rarely votes on facts, they vote from their often ill-informed gut. All they will know now is 45 is a convicted felon, a loser. They couldn't care less about the details, they will just imagine him in a jumpsuit that matches his fake tan. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyExpat57 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 3 minutes ago, jvs said: So trump rigged it?in a way? You could look at it that way, yes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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