placeholder Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, JonnyF said: I never said they were a target. I said she singled them out (in response to your post below in red). I stand by my comments. Being ginger is not normal (as you conceded above), and by the same criteria neither is being homosexual. There is nothing wrong with being either, but neither are "the norm". Galloway was well within his rights to state something that is factually correct. The attempts to silence him are misguided. We must stand against those who try to control what we can and cannot say. The reason your comment in nonsense is the same reason that Abbott's was. In both cases you and she are pretending that there is no history of strong and dangerous prejudice against both Jews and gays. So that mentioning them is innocuous. Unlike Jews and gays, I kind of doubt gingers were ever sent to death camps because of the color of their hair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 5 minutes ago, placeholder said: The reason your comment in nonsense is the same reason that Abbott's was. In both cases you and she are pretending that there is no history of strong and dangerous prejudice against both Jews and gays. So that mentioning them is innocuous. Unlike Jews and gays, I kind of doubt gingers were ever sent to death camps because of the color of their hair. Hyperbole.😃 Galloway said being homosexual is not normal. He is correct. It's not the norm. He wasn't calling for them to be sent to death camps and trying to conflate the two positions in order to silence him doesn't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 8 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Hyperbole.😃 Galloway said being homosexual is not normal. He is correct. It's not the norm. He wasn't calling for them to be sent to death camps and trying to conflate the two positions in order to silence him doesn't change that. And if he said being Jewish is not normal, that would be okay too? Please. In both cases there's a history of prejudice against Jews and gays. And, of course, you're either not a native speaker of English or you're being willfully blind to the range of meanings that "normal" has in common usage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 5 minutes ago, placeholder said: And if he said being Jewish is not normal, that would be okay too? Please. In both cases there's a history of prejudice against Jews and gays. And, of course, you're either not a native speaker of English or you're being willfully blind to the range of meanings that "normal" has in common usage. Well let's look at the definition of normal. So given that around 90% of people are heterosexual, it would be entirely accurate to say that heterosexuality is the norm for homosapiens. Not homosexuality. No far left ideology will change that. Using hyperbole to deny scientific fact should be discouraged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 27 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Well let's look at the definition of normal. So given that around 90% of people are heterosexual, it would be entirely accurate to say that heterosexuality is the norm for homosapiens. Not homosexuality. No far left ideology will change that. Using hyperbole to deny scientific fact should be discouraged. First off, by your standard then it's not normal to be Jewish either. And should a politician say so, that would in no way betray any prejudice on their part? So your contention is that Galloway was simply noting a statistical fact in a political speech? Or do you believe that he was addressing some sort of scientific symposium.? Your disingenuousness is blatantly unbelievable. Also, a common synonym for normal is "natural". So when it's said of someone that they are not normal, it's rarely meant as a neutral statement or a compliment. normal Definition for normal adjective as in common, usual Compare Synonyms SynonymsAntonyms Strongest matches natural,orderly,ordinary,regular,routine,traditional,typical 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, placeholder said: First off, by your standard then it's not normal to be Jewish either. And should a politician say so, that would in no way betray any prejudice on their part? So your contention is that Galloway was simply noting a statistical fact in a political speech? Or do you believe that he was addressing some sort of scientific symposium.? Your disingenuousness is blatantly unbelievable. Also, a common synonym for normal is "natural". So when it's said of someone that they are not normal, it's rarely meant as a neutral statement or a compliment. normal Definition for normal adjective as in common, usual Compare Synonyms SynonymsAntonyms Strongest matches natural,orderly,ordinary,regular,routine,traditional,typical It could be argued that it is natural (and in fact necessary in terms of continuation of the species) for homosapiens to reproduce. Therefore in any species that requires a male and a female to reproduce, it would be logical to say that being heterosexual is a natural state. Given that around 90% of homosapiens are heterosexual, it is also the norm. I don't see anything ground breaking or shocking here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Just now, JonnyF said: It could be argued that it is natural (and in fact necessary in terms of continuation of the species) for homosapiens to reproduce. Therefore in any species that requires a male and a female to reproduce, it would be logical to say that being heterosexual is a natural state. Given that around 90% of homosapiens are heterosexual, it is also the norm. I don't see anything ground breaking or shocking here. It is also natural for plenty of species to engage in homosexuality. It is also normal evolutionarily for members of some species to contribute to survival of shared genes even though they don't reproduce. So are you maintaining, that in a political speech, Galloway was just making a parenthetical comment about biology? Or did he make the address at a conclave of evolutionary biologists? Does "disingenuous" mean anything to you?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, placeholder said: It is also natural for plenty of species to engage in homosexuality. It is also normal evolutionarily for members of some species to contribute to survival of shared genes even though they don't reproduce. So are you maintaining, that in a political speech, Galloway was just making a parenthetical comment about biology? Or did he make the address at a conclave of evolutionary biologists? Does "disingenuous" mean anything to you?" I'd have to ask Galloway, but at face value I see nothing wrong in him making the speech. It's his opinion, and he should be free to voice it. It's not like he was screaming for the elimination of Israel or anything. The points he made will certainly be popular amongst his Muslim constituents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroubleandGrumpy Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 21 hours ago, watthong said: Oh yeah? Let's see HOW you "support" gay marriage, or rather the folks who ask for it. from thread https://aseannow.com/topic/1324413-fears-of-discrimination-in-thailand-despite-looming-same-sex-marriage-bill/ Exactly what I said then, I said now. They want gay marriage which I am OK with, but not the rest of their downstream issues (males in girls bathrooms). Can you read or not. FROM YOUR QUOTE THAT I SAID - They (I use they/them to cover all variations) claimed a desire for equality under marriage laws and that is justified, with resultant property rights after death, taxation deductions and rights, and other 'equality' issues under the Laws. But I hope the Thailand Govt does not fall into the same traps as the Western Govts did and cave into their constant demands for 'more and more equality' Thanks for proving me right 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 4 hours ago, JonnyF said: The points he made will certainly be popular amongst his Muslim constituents. And with that comment you've given the game away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 5 minutes ago, placeholder said: And with that comment you've given the game away. Thanks, I am indeed very well aware of the intolerance towards homosexuality from large sections of the Muslim community. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 33 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Thanks, I am indeed very well aware of the intolerance towards homosexuality from large sections of the Muslim community. But you think George Galloway might not be? Really? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 9 hours ago, JonnyF said: Hyperbole.😃 Galloway said being homosexual is not normal. He is correct. It's not the norm. He wasn't calling for them to be sent to death camps and trying to conflate the two positions in order to silence him doesn't change that. What he is doing is 'othering' homosexuals, making them clearly different from the majority and subtly making it acceptable to 'other' them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 A post with nothing other than an oversized trolling meme contravening our Community Standards has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 11 hours ago, RuamRudy said: What he is doing is 'othering' homosexuals, making them clearly different from the majority and subtly making it acceptable to 'other' them. "Othering"?? Sorry, I don't speak Wokelish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 hour ago, JonnyF said: "Othering"?? Sorry, I don't speak Wokelish. But you do speak willful ignorance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 hour ago, JonnyF said: "Othering"?? Sorry, I don't speak Wokelish. Allow me to help you with your ignorance. Think of Alf Garnett and how he spoke about 'coons' and 'pakis' whilst maintaining that he wasn't a racist. This gave all the real world racists a sense of plausibility to their bigotry. Galloway is a more subtle version of Alf Garnett. Incidentally, it always gives me great pleasure to think of all the racists enthralled by Garnett, completely unaware of Warren Mitchell's lifelong socialist campaigning and his hatred of bigotry. ."Look," he said, not bothering to hide his irritation, "you can't help it if people are idiots. I had a bloke come up to me one day and say, 'I love that show of yours Alf, especially when you have a go at the coons.' I said, 'Actually, we're having a go at b*****ds like you.'" https://www.thejc.com/life-and-culture/tv/i-fear-more-laughed-with-alf-garnett-than-at-him-w3jlirc0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamb00ler Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 On 6/3/2024 at 3:20 PM, retarius said: It's an evolutionary dead end. So is not having any biological children.... but so far I don't see any uproar over people making that choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said: Allow me to help you with your ignorance. Think of Alf Garnett and how he spoke about 'coons' and 'pakis' whilst maintaining that he wasn't a racist. This gave all the real world racists a sense of plausibility to their bigotry. Galloway is a more subtle version of Alf Garnett. Incidentally, it always gives me great pleasure to think of all the racists enthralled by Garnett, completely unaware of Warren Mitchell's lifelong socialist campaigning and his hatred of bigotry. ."Look," he said, not bothering to hide his irritation, "you can't help it if people are idiots. I had a bloke come up to me one day and say, 'I love that show of yours Alf, especially when you have a go at the coons.' I said, 'Actually, we're having a go at b*****ds like you.'" https://www.thejc.com/life-and-culture/tv/i-fear-more-laughed-with-alf-garnett-than-at-him-w3jlirc0 Boring drivel, and totally unrelated to the topic. At least you got to call someone a racist though. Your day wouldn't be complete without that 😃. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 11 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Boring drivel, and totally unrelated to the topic. At least you got to call someone a racist though. Your day wouldn't be complete without that 😃. Hmm, no, try again, but this time with more effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, RuamRudy said: Hmm, no, try again, but this time with more effort. Nah, your spiel bores me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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