Children die of malnutrition as Rafah operation heightens threat of famine in Gaza

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Israeli are killing civilians trying to get food, it is totally sickening. 

Nothing to do with police. 

 

 

More than 100 people were killed amid devastating scenes in northern Gaza, where Israeli troops opened fire Thursday, triggering panic as hungry Palestinian civilians were gathering around food aid trucks, Palestinian officials and eyewitnesses said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/29/middleeast/gaza-city-deaths-food-israel-intl/index.html

 

   From your link :

 

 

"Many of the victims died when they were run over by trucks in the ensuing panic, according to one account."

 

  So, NOT killed by Isrealis

[Nick Carter icp]

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

And since we already know that police aren't patrolling for fear of Israeli strikes, 

 

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

. We know that the police are afraid to show up for fear of Israeli strikes. 

 

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Police are afraid to serve in Rafah because of the fear of Israeli strikes.  

 

   Why do you need to say it three times ?

 

[metisdead]

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[billd766]

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They are evil?

Yes they are evil.

 

They are also inhumane and an informal part of of Israel's invasion.

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Please don't feed the blinkered biased troll.

 

  So there are safe places in Gaza ?

You need to make you mind up . 

There's either nowhere safe from Israeli carpet bombing Gaza , or there are safe places where the Gazian police hang out . 

   What is it ?

Cannot be both 

[Nick Carter icp]

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

The discussion is about famine. There is a huge problem in getting food supplies to distribution warehouses. That's because of a lack of security. Police are afraid to serve in Rafah because of the fear of Israeli strikes.  People like you justified attacks on the police because "The Gaza Police are Hamas controlled." I don't think you understand what the discussion is about. 

 

   You are trying to  portray it as being those nasty evil Jews attacking Palestinian police and stopping the nice policeman from providing security for the food aid and thus there is a famine in Gaza .

   The reality is that there is no famine in Gaza and the IDF are shooting at Hamas who are trying to steal that food aid

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6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

 

   Why do you need to say it three times ?

 

I'm repeating it because it repeatedly gets ignored.

[Nick Carter icp]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I'm repeating it because it repeatedly gets ignored.

 

   It gets ignored because it isn't true .

Keeping saying it over and over again will not make it become true 

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38 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   It gets ignored because it isn't true .

Keeping saying it over and over again will not make it become true 

I provided links to credible sources. What have you got?

[Bkk Brian]

So Israel was right to contest the reports of famine.

 

‘Multiple factual flaws’: Israel contests UN-backed report on imminent famine in Gaza
COGAT says report relies on information from Hamas, grossly underestimates amount of water available; US official says famine ‘quite possibly’ in some areas of northern enclave

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-contests-un-backed-report-assessing-imminent-famine-in-gaza/

 

"Now that the world has been forced to admit that there is no famine in Gaza, it has been made clear that Israel is letting plenty of food aid into the strip. Which means it’s time to admit something is happening to that food, and it isn’t Israel’s fault."

https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/stop-pretending-this-isnt-happening/

 

The Gaza Famine Has Been Cancelled Unmasking the Propaganda Against Israel

 

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On 6/20/2024 at 10:36 AM, Bkk Brian said:

Yes 

 

"Aid organizations have argued that Israel’s continued military operations are the reason for the distribution bottlenecks"

 

So where does it say its because of a lack of Hamas police as you claimed?

 

The IDF have now also put in place daily pauses in fighting.

Common sense should have prevailed long ago. But now there's this:

UN chief says most aid going into Gaza is being looted amid ‘total lawlessness’
By AP
21 June 2024, 11:56 pm

"We have attacks, we have bombings, and then troops move to other places,” he says. “Hamas returns to the original ones and there is total chaos in Gaza, and there is no authority in most of the territory.” He adds that “Israel does not even allow the so-called blue police to escort our convoys because it’s local police linked to the local administration [Hamas], so lawlessness is total.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/un-chief-says-most-aid-going-into-gaza-is-being-looted-amid-total-lawlessness/

[Bkk Brian]

30 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Common sense should have prevailed long ago. But now there's this:

UN chief says most aid going into Gaza is being looted amid ‘total lawlessness’
By AP
21 June 2024, 11:56 pm

"We have attacks, we have bombings, and then troops move to other places,” he says. “Hamas returns to the original ones and there is total chaos in Gaza, and there is no authority in most of the territory.” He adds that “Israel does not even allow the so-called blue police to escort our convoys because it’s local police linked to the local administration [Hamas], so lawlessness is total.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/un-chief-says-most-aid-going-into-gaza-is-being-looted-amid-total-lawlessness/

We all know its lawless, its a war zone, a war against Hamas and the IDF. I will stick with what the US said. Plus add that anyone who thinks Hamas police should be around and make things better are in la la land and part of the problem including if that happens to be the un.

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44 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

We all know its lawless, its a war zone, a war against Hamas and the IDF. I will stick with what the US said. Plus add that anyone who thinks Hamas police should be around and make things better are in la la land and part of the problem including if that happens to be the un.

Clearly you don't understand that Hamas also ran basic governmental functions that had nothing to do with terrorism. Policing is one of those functions. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Clearly you don't understand that Hamas also ran basic governmental functions that had nothing to do with terrorism. Policing is one of those functions. 

Clearly I do and also understand that they still do in Hospitals etc. I also understand that the police are still run by Hamas and were part of the problem including the blueshirt ones the un refers to. Something the us again acknowledges.

 

 

State Department says legitimate for Israel to prevent Hamas from collecting revenue at border gate with Egypt, while urging quick reopening of crossing so aid deliveries continue

 

“One of the things that Israel said — which is very much accurate — is that Hamas [still] controlled the Gaza side of Rafah crossing, and Hamas was continuing to collect revenue from that crossing being open,” the State Department spokesperson explained. “So it is a legitimate goal to try and deprive Hamas of money that they could use to continue to finance their terrorist activities.”

 

Again this is not Israel's fault as the US have said, if you want to find blame you know where to look and who started this war.

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1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Clearly I do and also understand that they still do in Hospitals etc. I also understand that the police are still run by Hamas and were part of the problem including the blueshirt ones the un refers to. Something the us again acknowledges.

 

 

State Department says legitimate for Israel to prevent Hamas from collecting revenue at border gate with Egypt, while urging quick reopening of crossing so aid deliveries continue

 

“One of the things that Israel said — which is very much accurate — is that Hamas [still] controlled the Gaza side of Rafah crossing, and Hamas was continuing to collect revenue from that crossing being open,” the State Department spokesperson explained. “So it is a legitimate goal to try and deprive Hamas of money that they could use to continue to finance their terrorist activities.”

 

Again this is not Israel's fault as the US have said, if you want to find blame you know where to look and who started this war.

Where does the US acknowledge that the police are part of the problem? When they challenged Israel's misleading claim that it wasn't the Israelis fault that trucks weren't being driven into Gaza? When they pointed out that the police had been targeted by Israel so they refused to escort the trucks.

Anyway, before you were claiming that the lack of police presence wasn't the fault of Israel. Now that I've exploded that falsehood, you claim that the police, because they are part of the Hamas government, are not legitimate. 

 

And, no, the US didn't absolve the Israelis for responsibility of the police absence. All that official said was that now they weren't now doing anything to disrupt the supply system. Why would the police trust the Israelis to refrain from attacking them again?

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Where does the US acknowledge that the police are part of the problem? When they challenged Israel's misleading claim that it wasn't the Israelis fault that trucks weren't being driven into Gaza? When they pointed out that the police had been targeted by Israel so they refused to escort the trucks.

Anyway, before you were claiming that the lack of police presence wasn't the fault of Israel. Now that I've exploded that falsehood, you claim that the police, because they are part of the Hamas government, are not legitimate. 

 

And, no, the US didn't absolve the Israelis for responsibility of the police absence. All that official said was that now they weren't now doing anything to disrupt the supply system. Why would the police trust the Israelis to refrain from attacking them again?

What? Who do you think these people are working at the crossing in the photo above? What did the US say about that? Did you actually read my post?

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7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What? Who do you think these people are working at the crossing in the photo above? What did the US say about that? Did you actually read my post?

It's not a matter of who I think they are. It's a matter of where they are and when the photo was taken.

 

Palestinian police officers walk at the commercial crossing of Kerem Shalom, as Israel ends a ban on exports from Gaza, in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip September 10, 2023. REUTERS/Ibraheem Abu Mustafa/File Photo

https://www.todayonline.com/world/gaza-aid-checks-kerem-shalom-being-tested-crossing-not-open-un-official-2322166

 

In other words, thanks for the photo from Sept 10, 2023. That was 27 days before the Oct 7 attack. 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's not a matter of who I think they are. It's a matter of where they are and when the photo was taken.

 

Palestinian police officers walk at the commercial crossing of Kerem Shalom, as Israel ends a ban on exports from Gaza, in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip September 10, 2023. REUTERS/Ibraheem Abu Mustafa/File Photo

https://www.todayonline.com/world/gaza-aid-checks-kerem-shalom-being-tested-crossing-not-open-un-official-2322166

 

In other words, thanks for the photo from Sept 10, 2023. That was 27 days before the Oct 7 attack. 

Does that change the colour (blue) of the uniforms the UN stated? 

 

State Department says legitimate for Israel to prevent Hamas from collecting revenue at border gate with Egypt, while urging quick reopening of crossing so aid deliveries continue

 

“One of the things that Israel said — which is very much accurate — is that Hamas [still] controlled the Gaza side of Rafah crossing, and Hamas was continuing to collect revenue from that crossing being open,” the State Department spokesperson explained. “So it is a legitimate goal to try and deprive Hamas of money that they could use to continue to finance their terrorist activities.”

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Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Does that change the colour (blue) of the uniforms the UN stated? 

 

State Department says legitimate for Israel to prevent Hamas from collecting revenue at border gate with Egypt, while urging quick reopening of crossing so aid deliveries continue

 

“One of the things that Israel said — which is very much accurate — is that Hamas [still] controlled the Gaza side of Rafah crossing, and Hamas was continuing to collect revenue from that crossing being open,” the State Department spokesperson explained. “So it is a legitimate goal to try and deprive Hamas of money that they could use to continue to finance their terrorist activities.”

What's that got to do with intentionally killing the police?

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What's that got to do with intentionally killing the police?

Do you think the Hamas police and Hamas terrorists do not mingle together and have the same objectives in many cases? They get their money from the same paymasters and the same corruption. When Hamas terrorists raid aid trucks and take food do you think Hamas police will stop them?

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1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Do you think the Hamas police and Hamas terrorists do not mingle together and have the same objectives in many cases? They get their money from the same paymasters and the same corruption. When Hamas terrorists raid aid trucks and take food do you think Hamas police will stop them?

Until today, you maintained that there's no proof to show that the lack of police was due to Israel. Now you've changed your tune by using empty rhetorical questions instead of evidence As the US has pointed out, Israel refuses to provide evidence that Hamas has been engaged in largescale hijacking of trucks. As for the paymasters nonsense...you mean the money is tainted? How do you propose that the police in Gaza get paid? Is Israel going to step up and do it?

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Until today, you maintained that there's no proof to show that the lack of police was due to Israel. Now you've changed your tune by using empty rhetorical questions instead of evidence As the US has pointed out, Israel refuses to provide evidence that Hamas has been engaged in largescale hijacking of trucks. As for the paymasters nonsense...you mean the money is tainted? How do you propose that the police in Gaza get paid? Is Israel going to step up and do it?

I maintain my original position which is why I posted this:

 

"Senior US official says Israel not behind aid distribution woes in Gaza."

 

You however do not believe the US. I do. 

 

You then go onto state this.

 

14 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What's that got to do with intentionally killing the police?

 

The IDF have every reason to eliminate police who are also terrorists.

 

“The elimination of a Hamas terrorist who also had a role in the Hamas police illustrates how Hamas terrorists are entwined with the Hamas police. Throughout the war in Gaza, the Hamas police have continued to pose as if they are involved in enforcing law and order in Gaza rather than an integral part of the Hamas terrorist nexus.” — Seth J. Frantzman, FDD Adjunct Fellow

 

Now back to my questions that you avoided:

 

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Do you think the Hamas police and Hamas terrorists do not mingle together and have the same objectives in many cases? They get their money from the same paymasters and the same corruption. When Hamas terrorists raid aid trucks and take food do you think Hamas police will stop them?

 

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3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I maintain my original position which is why I posted this:

 

"Senior US official says Israel not behind aid distribution woes in Gaza."

 

You however do not believe the US. I do. 

 

You then go onto state this.

 

 

The IDF have every reason to eliminate police who are also terrorists.

 

“The elimination of a Hamas terrorist who also had a role in the Hamas police illustrates how Hamas terrorists are entwined with the Hamas police. Throughout the war in Gaza, the Hamas police have continued to pose as if they are involved in enforcing law and order in Gaza rather than an integral part of the Hamas terrorist nexus.” — Seth J. Frantzman, FDD Adjunct Fellow

 

Now back to my questions that you avoided:

 

 

What the headline says is one thing. What the official said is another.

As for that note about a Hamas terrorist...what does that have to do with police escorting convoys and keeping public order. The United States certainly doesn't think Israels killing of police escorts was justified. And it called them out on their misleading claim that no drivers were being provided to transport food and other material. More inflammatory nonsense from you.

If it was your question about Hamas hijacking trucks, Israel has yet to offer proof that it's a major problem. Right now, the reports are about widespread looting and lack of forces to maintain order. Nothing about Hamas doing the looting. But the lack of police to maintain order is being reported on.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What the headline says is one thing. What the official said is another.

As for that note about a Hamas terrorist...what does that have to do with police escorting convoys and keeping public order. The United States certainly doesn't think Israels killing of police escorts was justified. And it called them out on their misleading claim that no drivers were being provided to transport food and other material. More inflammatory nonsense from you.

If it was your question about Hamas hijacking trucks, Israel has yet to offer proof that it's a major problem. Right now, the reports are about widespread looting and lack of forces to maintain order. Nothing about Hamas doing the looting. But the lack of police to maintain order is being reported on.

Avoidance of the questions and the rest that is not in the headline is covered in previous posts.