Ex-CDC Chief Dr. Robert Redfield Reveals COVID-19 Truths

[Red Phoenix]

 

 

[Foxx]

Don't forget that Redfield was appointed by Trump as a useful idiot.

 

Cuomo is a former FOX News presenter.

 

Enough said.

[Red Phoenix]

5 minutes ago, Foxx said:

Don't forget that Redfield was appointed by Trump as a useful idiot.

Cuomo is a former FOX News presenter.

Enough said.

> No comments from you on any of the 4 stunning statements that the former Head of the CDC did make during that interview. 

Enough said...

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Inside Trump’s coronavirus meltdown...

May 14 2020

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"Here again, though, Trump’s stamp is clear. It was Trump who chose Robert Redfield to head the CDC in spite of widespread warnings about the former military officer’s controversial record. Redfield led the Pentagon’s response to HIV-Aids in the 1980s. It involved isolating suspected soldiers in so-called HIV Hotels. Many who tested positive were dishonourably discharged. Some committed suicide.

 

A devout catholic, Redfield saw Aids as the product of an immoral society. For many years, he championed a much-hyped remedy that was discredited in tests. That debacle led to his removal from the job in 1994.

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“Redfield is about the worst person you could think of to be heading the CDC at this time,” says Laurie Garrett, a Pulitzer Prize-winning science journalist who has reported on epidemics. “He lets his prejudices interfere with the science, which you cannot afford during a pandemic.”

 

https://www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-940b-11ea-abcd-371e24b679ed

 

Edited June 7 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Red Phoenix]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Inside Trump’s coronavirus meltdown...

May 14 2020

...
"Here again, though, Trump’s stamp is clear. It was Trump who chose Robert Redfield to head the CDC in spite of widespread warnings about the former military officer’s controversial record. Redfield led the Pentagon’s response to HIV-Aids in the 1980s. It involved isolating suspected soldiers in so-called HIV Hotels. Many who tested positive were dishonourably discharged. Some committed suicide.

 

A devout catholic, Redfield saw Aids as the product of an immoral society. For many years, he championed a much-hyped remedy that was discredited in tests. That debacle led to his removal from the job in 1994.

...

“Redfield is about the worst person you could think of to be heading the CDC at this time,” says Laurie Garrett, a Pulitzer Prize-winning science journalist who has reported on epidemics. “He lets his prejudices interfere with the science, which you cannot afford during a pandemic.”

 

https://www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-940b-11ea-abcd-371e24b679ed

 

 

> Once again, nothing about the 4 stunning statements that the former Head of the CDC did make during that interview. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

Regarding Redfield and his opinions about the origins of COVID, many others in the field disagree.

What does the science say about the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic?

February 28, 2023

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But at the end of the day, the origin of the pandemic is also a scientific question. Virologists who study pandemic origins are much less divided than the U.S. intelligence community. They say there is "very convincing" data and "overwhelming evidence" pointing to an animal origin.

 

In particular, scientists published two extensive, peer-reviewed papers in Science in July 2022, offering the strongest evidence to date that the COVID-19 pandemic originated in animals at a market in Wuhan, China. Specifically, they conclude that the coronavirus most likely jumped from a caged wild animal into people at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, where a huge COVID-19 outbreak began in December 2019.

 

Virologist Angela Rasmussen, who contributed to one of the Science papers, says the DOE's "low confident" conclusion doesn't "negate the affirmative evidence for zoonotic [or animal] origin nor do they add any new information in support of lab origin."

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/28/1160162845/what-does-the-science-say-about-the-origin-of-the-sars-cov-2-pandemic

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

> Once again, nothing about the 4 stunning statements that the former Head of the CDC did make during that interview. 

 

It goes to the credibility and background of the person expressing the various opinions in your YT video. He has his opinions. Lots of other people and scientists disagree.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Trump Official Denies COVID Conspiracies After Fauci Hearing Backlash

 

Jun 06, 2024

 

"Donald Trump's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) director has rejected COVID-19 conspiracy theories after Dr. Anthony Fauci was the target of conservative criticism following a contentious hearing on the coronavirus.

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Redfield weighed in on Fauci's hearing appearance and the conservative response to it during an interview with Chris Cuomo on NewsNation this week.

 

During the interview, Cuomo asked Redfield if he believed "there was any conspiracy afoot to trash the economy or force the vaccine on people for profit of the men and women involved in running the government agent."

 

"No. I don't believe that," Redfield said.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-official-denies-fauci-covid-conspiracy-1909012

 

Edited June 7 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[johng]

Like I said in another thread  many of these once vociferous "narrative" pushers are now starting to change their tune.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Re the notion that people supposedly are "changing their tune," in the video, about the 52 minute mark, Cuomo said his doctor has him taking about a dozen different medications to treat his Long COVID symptoms -- not to treat COVID itself.

 

 

 

[stats]

A post with numerous entirely unsourced claims has been removed for contravening the forum's rules.

 

[ukrules]

4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

No comments from you on any of the 4 stunning statements that the former Head of the CDC did make during that interview.

 

What were they? I'm not wasting an hour of my life watching the video to find out

 

[KhunLA]

5 hours ago, Foxx said:

Don't forget that Redfield was appointed by Trump as a useful idiot.

 

Cuomo is a former FOX News presenter.

 

Enough said.

After stints with MSM ... 

... "Cuomo's early career in journalism included appearances related to social and political issues on CNBC, MSNBC, and CNN"

Edited June 7 by KhunLA

[gargamon]

5 hours ago, Foxx said:

Cuomo is a former FOX News presenter.

Cuomo was a major CNN host for years. He was fired for questionable stuff he did for his brother, Andrew Cuomo, the governor of NY, while he was under investigation.

[Robert Paulson]

There is no financial incentive and there are repercussions for presenting this side of the argument. As usual, people can never explain why the ones who’ve benefitted financially all during covid can be the ones telling the truth. And how the people getting fired and censored and losing their jobs are the ones who are lying. Nobody explains that because they can’t. All they have is “he was appointed by trump”. 

[stats]

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[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

There is no financial incentive and there are repercussions for presenting this side of the argument. As usual, people can never explain why the ones who’ve benefitted financially all during covid can be the ones telling the truth. And how the people getting fired and censored and losing their jobs are the ones who are lying. Nobody explains that because they can’t. All they have is “he was appointed by trump”. 

Apparently doing an excellent job also, with info at the time.   Strange how in the vid, states the left wouldn't take the 'Trump vaccine' but the Biden administration mandates it after election, to people that really didn't need the vaccine (Young & healthy). 

 

 Destroying many people's livelihood who didn't want the vaccine, from attending school & employment. 

 

While Trump doing excellent job, by shut down international flights, as soon as advised to, and were vaccinating 1 million high risk people a day, when vaccine became available in late 2020.

 

Graph from CDD site, (as stated on the graph) and source linked here.

 

 

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misinformation claim removed, and political discussion contrary to this local forum's rules

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

It's misleading, to say the least, to present a chart that shows the CUMULATIVE COVID deaths count in the U.S. (which is going to continue growing over time regardless) and try to claim that says anything about how COVID deaths occurred during different specific periods of time.

 

The following CDC chart does show how COVID deaths in the U.S. rose and fell during different specific periods of time. Quite a different chart and quite a different look.

 

 

Source:

 

Edited June 9 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[xylophone]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

While Trump doing excellent job, by shut down international flights, as soon as advised to, and were vaccinating 1 million high risk people a day, when vaccine became available in late 2020.

His DELAY in shutting down flights was responsible for thousands of deaths in the USA........excellent my ass!

[Robert Paulson]

47 minutes ago, xylophone said:

His DELAY in shutting down flights was responsible for thousands of deaths in the USA........excellent my ass!

High praise for the man judging by your views on covid 

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

High praise for the man judging by your views on covid 

There follows some of trumps statements early on in the pandemic.......read and weep; the man is an idiot especially when he said the 15 people infected going down to close to zero!!! After which hundreds of thousands of Americans died:-

 

"In his first speech after his hospitalization for Covid-19, President Donald Trump stood on a White House balcony on October 10 and made a grand declaration about the coronavirus: “It’s going to disappear. It is disappearing.”

 

His words might have sounded more dramatic had he not been saying the same thing for eight months. 

 

Trump has stuck to the refrain no matter what has been happening with the pandemic. Since February, the President has declared at least 38 times that Covid-19 is either going to disappear or is currently disappearing.

 

His proclamations have been wildly inaccurate. When Trump first started making the claim in February, it was about the time the US had just suffered its very first known Covid-19 death. More than 220,000 deaths later, Trump continues to falsely claim that the virus will somehow just go away — even as the US experiences yet another surge in cases and hospitalizations."

 

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/

 

 

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Any further such posts will be removed without any further notice.

 

[pedro01]

We just gonna let that "humanized mice" comment slide?

[jas007]

Anyone paying close attention to the COVID story since its inception doesn’t need a video to know that the public was fooled.  Lie after lie, intense propaganda, etc. To what end?  I have my suspicions, but at this point it’s too late for many people. No one can go back. No one can undo the damage. Not everyone in the world remains deluded, though. Authorities in some countries are speaking out. 
 

Conspiracy theory?  Hardly. The truth is emerging.
 

Anyway, back in January of 2020, Twitter was still Twitter, and its content was still heavily censored to conform to the government’s narrative.  But for anyone closely watching, the truth wasn’t censored instantly.  At the time, I had my Twitter feed set so that any posts tagged with certain terms were immediately pushed through to my feed. I saw many posts before the censors got to them. Those posts didn’t stay up long, but they were up long enough for me to read them. And what I saw was everything they didn’t want the public to see. The posts may have been deleted within 30 seconds or so, but I saw them. It was obvious a false narrative was being constructed. Delete some posts, allow others. Why would they do that? Surely the authorities would want to solve the problem. Surely they would want the truth to surface. Nope. That’s not what they wanted. They wanted people to believe that a deadly virus had emerged and was spreading around the world like wildfire. People were dropping dead by the thousands, and the only hope for humanity was a vaccine currently being cooked up by the drug companies. It was all an emergency. Listen to information from the authorities and only the authorities. Anything else was “misinformation.”  Of course, the authorities pulled out all the stops to silence some people.  People were threatened with the loss of their jobs for not being jabbed. Even in court they continued the foot dragging.  Was it Pfizer that wanted 72 years to release information about the drug trials?  That eventually didn’t work, but that was the intent. Delay. Obfuscate. Lie.

 

I could go on all day about what they didn’t want people to know, but suffice it to say it was obvious to me. The authorities were lying to people.  I wasn’t quite sure why, but there was no way I was being injected with anything.  I wasn’t working, so they couldn’t threaten me with the loss of my job. I didn’t need any medical treatment, so they couldn’t come at me from that angle. I was a fee human being. As for the mask business? I kept a cheap mask in my car for my short trips to the grocery store, but only to make those people happy. No big deal. Otherwise, life was more or less normal in Arizona.

 

Once travel opened back up in 2022 and I could return to Thailand, I did just that.  

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It

 

New York Times, Dec. 28, 2022

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"What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin. Last year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

 

The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already suffering from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

 

“It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital literacy and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

 

https://archive.ph/y9PdE

 

 

Lie of the Year: Coronavirus downplay and denial

December 16, 2020

 

"A Florida taxi driver and his wife had seen enough conspiracy theories online to believe the virus was overblown, maybe even a hoax. So no masks for them. Then they got sick. She died. A college lecturer had trouble refilling her lupus drug after the president promoted it as a treatment for the new disease. A hospital nurse broke down when an ICU patient insisted his illness was nothing worse than the flu, oblivious to the silence in beds next door.   

 

Lies infected America in 2020. The very worst were not just damaging, but deadly. 

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PolitiFact’s 2020 Lie of the Year: claims that deny, downplay or disinform about COVID-19. 

 

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/dec/16/lie-year-coronavirus-downplay-and-denial/