IDF Rescue Four Israeli Hostages in Central Gaza Raid

[Hanaguma]

19 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

First question is a bit silly.

Second question, I’d by irate with the IDF and swear to get revenge.
Closer to home, if the British army killed my children  and others at the same time as killing an IRA terrorist, I’d join the IRA.

 Freedom comes at a cost.

Makes one wonder though... WHY would Hamas keep hostages in an area where they are surrounded by women and children?  

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[herfiehandbag]

17 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Necessary measures taken to free the hostages .

Bare in mind that quite a number of those killed would have been Hamas operatives  guarding the hostages 

If Hamas had not taken the hostages in the first place, held them captive in houses in a built up area, and ensured that civilians were not used to shield those guarding the hostages, then there wouldn't have been any casualties.

 

Of course what we don't hear from Hamas is how many of those killed were their fighters - Israel suggests around 20.

[Neeranam]

4 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

If Hamas had not taken the hostages in the first place, held them captive in houses in a built up area, and ensured that civilians were not used to shield those guarding the hostages, then there wouldn't have been any casualties.

 

Of course what we don't hear from Hamas is how many of those killed were their fighters - Israel suggests around 20.

If you were Hamas, where would you keep the hostages? Somewhere easy to get?

 

Of course one can't believe what Israel says but if it were 20, that is around 10-1 targets v civilians(including children) -  is this OK in your book?

 

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

If the hostages had been your family members or your Significant Other, how would you feel when they were rescued?

 

If the civilians who were killed in the crossfire had been your family members, wouldn't you be irate at Hamas for putting your family in danger?

 

Many have condemned Israel for continuing mass killing of civilians. Personally I question the necessity - seems to be politically motivated to keep Netanyahu in power.

 

The Israelis were well aware of civilians in the area due to being declared a safe zone' To be blunt after declaring the safe zone and 

civilian member/s of my family were killed I too would be willing to pick up a rifle. It is known killing of family civilians / friends contributes to those joining in military action. Have to wait and see if Israel's action will lead to further wilful killings of hostages by the likes of Hamas.

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[simon43]

37,000 Palestinian 'martyrs' to rescue 4 Israeli hostages?  Another (about) 120 hostages still held? Well, the Palestinians better get used to another (120/4) x 37,000 deaths.... Terrorism doesn't pay and the so-called innocent Palestinian civilians are anything but innocent. They have the power to remove Hamas.

[Neeranam]

18 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

Good news, four hostages rescued in good medical health. On the downside heavy civilian deaths and injuries. IMO Israel is losing good will with it's continuous mass killing and injuries of civilians. From the above URL...

 

In a news briefing, a spokesman for the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital said at least 55 killed people and dozens wounded were brought to the barely functioning medical facility following the Israeli attacks on Deir el-Balah.

Al Jazeera now say 210 killed and 400 injured. 

 

Gaza’s Government Media Office says the “Israeli massacre” at the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza killed 210 Palestinians and wounded more than 400.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/6/9/israels-war-on-gaza-live-nightmare-as-hospital-copes-with-nuseirat-dead

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Update: How Israel Freed Four Hostages and Granted a Dying Wish

 

 

The rescue mission, described as “the ultimate surprise” by the Israeli military, was carried out in broad daylight within one of the most densely populated refugee camps in the world. It involved undercover operatives from Yamam, the elite anti-terrorism unit of the Israeli police, and Shin Bet, Israel's internal security service. The complexity and danger of the mission were immense, as the hostages were held in heavily guarded rooms within buildings also occupied by Gazan civilian families.

 

🇮🇱 — VID: Israeli PM Netanyahu delivering a statement about the successful hostage rescue. pic.twitter.com/X8XkTgBQ6C

— Belaaz News (@TheBelaaz) June 9, 2024

Rear-Admiral Daniel Hagari, briefing journalists after the mission, compared it to the legendary Entebbe raid of 1976. The Israeli intelligence had discovered the hostages’ locations two weeks prior, and meticulous planning ensued. Models were created to simulate the mission, knowing that there was always a risk that the hostages could be moved or killed before the rescue could be executed.

 

The tension reached its peak when IDF Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi gave the go-ahead at 11:25 AM. The raid commenced simultaneously on both buildings where the hostages were held. Argamani’s captors were quickly neutralized, and she was swiftly taken to a waiting helicopter on the beach. The extraction of the three other hostages—Almog Meir Jan, 22, Andrey Kozlov, 27, and Shlomi Ziv, 41—was more perilous, involving a fierce gunfight that left Chief Inspector Arnon Zmora critically wounded.

 

As the operatives and hostages made their way to the beach, they faced intense fire from terrorists armed with rocket-propelled grenades. Despite these challenges, the mission was successful, and all four hostages were safely flown out of Gaza. The daring rescue provided a much-needed morale boost to Israel, a nation that had been feeling increasingly isolated and despondent.

 

The impact of the rescue was profound. Benny Gantz, a key member of Israel’s war cabinet, postponed his resignation, which he had planned due to frustrations with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s handling of postwar plans. Instead, Gantz joined the nation in celebrating the hostages' return, a moment that united Israelis in relief and joy.

 

In Tel Aviv, the announcement of the rescue on a popular beach was met with cheers and applause, highlighting the collective sense of triumph and hope that the operation brought. Netanyahu praised the courage and resourcefulness of the Israeli forces, reiterating Israel's commitment to not surrendering to terrorism and continuing efforts to bring all hostages home.

 

The international response was also positive. President Joe Biden, speaking from Paris, pledged continued American support to ensure the safe return of all hostages and emphasized the importance of reaching a ceasefire. French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz also expressed their congratulations, recognizing the operation as a significant sign of hope.

 

 

Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant hailed the mission as one of the most heroic operations he had witnessed in his 47 years of service. The rescue of Noa Argamani and the three other hostages was not only a tactical success but also a poignant moment of fulfillment of a dying mother’s wish to see her daughter again, symbolizing the resilience and determination of the Israeli people in the face of adversity.

 

U.S. Intelligence Helped Israel Rescue Four Hostages in Gaza

 

Intelligence collection and analysis teams from the U.S. and the U.K. have been in Israel throughout the war.  A team of American hostage recovery officials stationed in Israel assisted the Israeli military’s effort to rescue the four captives by providing intelligence and other logistical support, one American official said, speaking without attribution to discuss the sensitive operation.

 

Intelligence collection and analysis teams from the United States and Britain have been in Israel throughout the war, assisting Israeli intelligence in collecting and analyzing information related to the hostages, some of them citizens of both countries, according to a senior Israeli defense official familiar with the effort to locate and rescue the hostages. Two Israeli intelligence officials said the American military officials in Israel provided some of the intelligence about the hostages rescued Saturday.

 

Credit New York Times - The Times 2024-06-10

 

 

[Hawaiian]

30 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Many have condemned Israel for continuing mass killing of civilians. Personally I question the necessity - seems to be politically motivated to keep Netanyahu in power.

 

The Israelis were well aware of civilians in the area due to being declared a safe zone' To be blunt after declaring the safe zone and 

civilian member/s of my family were killed I too would be willing to pick up a rifle. It is known killing of family civilians / friends contributes to those joining in military action. Have to wait and see if Israel's action will lead to further wilful killings of hostages by the likes of Hamas.

I don't condemn Israel for death of civilians.  This is what happens in urban warfare, especially when one side intentionally hides among the civilian population.  This may sound mean and callous, but the old saying of better them than me applies. 

The U.S. failed in VietNam, Iraq and Afghanistan because ridiculous restrictions.

While there are international rules of war what happens when only one side follows them?  Stalemate? This exactly the problem Israel faces today and Israel has chosen not to be stuck in a forever war.  This means continuing the process of neutralizing Hamas.  Yes, war is hell.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

First question is a bit silly.

Second question, I’d by irate with the IDF and swear to get revenge.
Closer to home, if the British army killed my children  and others at the same time as killing an IRA terrorist, I’d join the IRA.

 Freedom comes at a cost.

 

   If someone took your children hostage and kept them hostage for 7 months , would you use any means necessary to get them back and freed ? 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Al Jazeera now say 210 killed and 400 injured. 

 

Gaza’s Government Media Office says the “Israeli massacre” at the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza killed 210 Palestinians and wounded more than 400.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/6/9/israels-war-on-gaza-live-nightmare-as-hospital-copes-with-nuseirat-dead

 

   Your Al-Jazeera  link states that . 

 

 

"Israel’s raid on Nuseirat refugee camp has caused outrage, with the EU calling it “a massacre”

 

 

 

I have searched online and nowhere can I see that the E.U have called it a "massacre" .

   Can you provide the actual link to where the E.U called it a massacre ?

  Al-Jazeera seem to be lying about their claim 

 

[CharlieKo]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Al Jazeera now say 210 killed and 400 injured. 

 

Gaza’s Government Media Office says the “Israeli massacre” at the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza killed 210 Palestinians and wounded more than 400.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/6/9/israels-war-on-gaza-live-nightmare-as-hospital-copes-with-nuseirat-dead

A massacre that Hamas are responsible for. They deliberately place themselves among the civilian population so they can score political points. Hamas do not care for the civilian population they are just a tool to be used against Israel. They are worse than terrorists, if that is possible. They are a death cult who have no respect for life. Be it Jewish lives or Palestinian lives. 

 

Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself for supporting a death cult rather than the people who are suffering because of Hamas' actions in Gaza. 

[impulse]

5 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

If the hostages had been your family members or your Significant Other, how would you feel when they were rescued?

 

If the civilians who were killed in the crossfire had been your family members, wouldn't you be irate at Hamas for putting your family in danger?

 

If your family member wasn't one of the 4 they rescued, how would you feel about their chances of surviving the likely retribution?

 

 

[Neeranam]

10 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

 Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself for supporting a death cult rather than the people who are suffering because of Hamas' actions in Gaza. 

What on earth makes you think I support Hamas? 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

Been reporter that the hostages were held in Gaza in the home of an Al-Jazeera reporter . Qatar funds Al-Jazeera and al-Jazeera pay journalists who hold hostages ,

 

 

Report: Former hostage Noa Argamani held captive in Al-Jazeera cameraman's house

 

https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/06/09/report-former-hostage-noa-argamani-held-captive-in-al-jazeera-cameramans-house/

 

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11 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What on earth makes you think I support Hamas? 

 

 

You don't, well I never....................🥱

[Neeranam]

I'm very happy for the families of these 4 hostages. I have a daughter the same age as Noa and worry if she is 1 hour late home!  It looks like they were treated well by their Hamas captors. 

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Just now, Neeranam said:

I'm very happy for the families of these 4 hostages. I have a daughter the same age as Noa and worry if she is 1 hour late home!  It looks like they were treated well by their Hamas captors. 

Weren't they lucky, what about the dozens that were not, and the ones they killed for no reason..............?  

[Bkk Brian]

Surprise, surprise................not

 

Former hostage Noa Argamani was held hostage for 8 months in home of AL JAZEERA JOURNALIST. The 26 year old was held in the home of Abdallah Aljamal, a Gaza based reporter and photojournalist for the Qatar owned network- according to Israeli newspaper Israel Hayom. As Israeli special forces raided the home the Al Jazeera journalist and several members of his family attempted to prevent the Israeli woman’s rescue and were reportedly killed. Source: Israel Hayom

 

https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1799741108659843074

 

Report: Noa Argamani was held in Al Jazeera reporter's apartment
Arab journalist Abdallah Aljamal killed while reportedly attempting to prevent the rescue of a female hostage he held captive in his apartment.

According to the report, Noa was held by Abdallah Aljamal, "a photojournalist and writer/editor for both Al-Jazeera and the Palestinian Chronicle.

The Palestinian Chronicle reported that Aljamal was one of the Gazans who was killed during the rescue, which it called the "Nuseirat massacre." OSIM reported that Aljamal and several members of his family were killed while attempting to prevent the rescue.

Noa was held in a separate apartment and a different building from Andrey Kozlov, Shlomi Ziv, and Almog Meir Jan, who were rescued at the same time.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/391303

 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I'm very happy for the families of these 4 hostages. I have a daughter the same age as Noa and worry if she is 1 hour late home!  It looks like they were treated well by their Hamas captors. 

Treated well!! What you mean these innocent hostages were lucky enough to be held against their will for more than 8 months, many of their friends murdered but so long as they were treated well eh, unlike all the others in dark tunnels from hell.

[Bkk Brian]

5 hours ago, Neeranam said:

First question is a bit silly.

Second question, I’d by irate with the IDF and swear to get revenge.
Closer to home, if the British army killed my children  and others at the same time as killing an IRA terrorist, I’d join the IRA.

 Freedom comes at a cost.

Wow you're easily persuaded to become a terrorist. The British army would not have intended to kill your children..

[Nick Carter icp]

10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

  It looks like they were treated well by their Hamas captors. 

 

   Its not possible to treat someone well when holding them hostage .

Kidnapping them and Holding them against their well is treating them badly 

[herfiehandbag]

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

If you were Hamas, where would you keep the hostages? Somewhere easy to get?

 

Of course one can't believe what Israel says but if it were 20, that is around 10-1 targets v civilians(including children) -  is this OK in your book?

 

Tell you what matey, I wouldn't have taken the hostages in the first place, in "my book"!

 

That is why the IDF attacked those two locations. That they got all four hostages out alive, suggests to me that they moved extremely quickly, to get to the hostages before Hamas could kill them. In and out, hard and fast, get the hostages and get them out. Don't muck around hunting down civilians to massacre them. That is what " the book" teaches.

 

I have seen various figures quoted for casualties, from 55 up. Israel seems to reckon that 20 of those casualties were Hamas terrorists. The civilian casualties are, I say again, and will continue to say, an inevitable result of Hamas's despicable and cynical policy of using it's own civilian population as human shields. In this case probably close up human shields.

 

Finally, "Of course one can't believe what Israel says"! And one can believe Hamas? Only a couple of weeks ago, even the UN ( hardly the most impartial of sources) revised their estimates down significantly. At that time Hamas was claiming 30,000. Despite the revision their claims were then increased to 35,000 and are now standing at 37,000. These claims are entirely unverified, and no verification is allowed. Hamas is widely known, accepted, expected, throughout the International Community, to wildly inflate it's claims of significant casualties. The same frenzied dramatic arrival of ambulances, filmed from different angles, is presented as different casualties. Film exists of rows of shrouded bodies moving to scratch themselves, assuming a more comfortable posture and even sitting up to drink from bottles of water. The news media, a hard-bitten bunch in my limited experience have a phrase for It - they call it " Pallywood footage".

 

I have no doubt that there have been many civilian casualties. That is inevitable when one side in battle is deliberately using the civilian population as shields. I don't think that the numbers are anywhere near those claimed. If they were in the claimed area of 37,000, one would expect expansive coverage of massed graves, that part of the jigsaw is missing. I was at Srebrinicia in Bosnia not long after the massacre of some 9000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys. I can assure you that you would need an awful lot of real estate to bury, 37,000 bodies. An awful lot of space. Gaza is one of the most heavily surveilled places and one of the most crowded places in the world. If nothing else, you can't hide the bodies, or their graves, and you certainly can't hide the smell. 

 

My book, and some experience as a soldier.

 

 

Edited June 9 by herfiehandbag

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Wow you're easily persuaded to become a terrorist. The British army would not have intended to kill your children..

But if you had joined the IRA they would have had you, within weeks of not less.

[Neeranam]

On 6/8/2024 at 7:24 PM, simple1 said:

 

Good news, four hostages rescued in good medical health. On the downside heavy civilian deaths and injuries. IMO Israel is losing good will with it's continuous mass killing and injuries of civilians. From the above URL...

 

In a news briefing, a spokesman for the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital said at least 55 killed people and dozens wounded were brought to the barely functioning medical facility following the Israeli attacks on Deir el-Balah.

274 now dead from the massacre.

 

https://aje.io/lf1bhd

[stoner]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The British army would not have intended to kill your children..

 

i think it might be tough in almost any situation for a parent to be holding their dead child to care about intent. all they would be thinking about is that their child is dead because of that solider. 

 

please do not spin this into anything other than me commenting on a parent and a dead child. regardless of the side it is on that loss is one of the worst things a human can go through. 

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

274 now dead from the massacre.

 

https://aje.io/lf1bhd

Al Jazeera is possibly not to be trusted, given that the female hostage was being held in the house of one of their journalists!

 

Still, if you have lost what could probably be described as one of your lead hostages - a pretty girl, with a heart rending back story of a dying mother hoping against hope to see her again before she dies - creating "a massacre" at least gives you something I suppose.

 

Mind you, if there indeed had been killing on that scale (which I I don't for a minute believe) what were two children doing playing unconcerned in the wreckage?

 

Cynical, Moi?

 

Edited June 9 by herfiehandbag

[Neeranam]

8 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Al Jazeera is possibly not to be trusted, given that the female hostage was being held in the house of one of their journalists!

Says who? 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

274 now dead from the massacre.

 

https://aje.io/lf1bhd

 

   Will Hamas now release their hostages or will there be numerous further massacres of their terrorists and civilians ?

   The ball is in Hamas's court , up to them