swissie Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Why not tell it how it is? All the counter measures to combat "earth warming" come 30 years too late and are not radical enough. Even if we could contain the warming at the current 1,5°, at those temperatures, the ice will keep melting, with all the foreseeable consequences. To stop this process, we would have to cool down the earth by 1.5°. IMPOSSIBLE. We are on a highway to hell, but still enjoying the ride. It's strictly "after us the deluge". Why not (finally) tell it how it is. Fortunately, todays youth is busy on social media. Mostly content, as long as there is "panem et circenses". 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CallumWK Posted June 10 Popular Post Share Posted June 10 4 minutes ago, swissie said: Why not (finally) tell it how it is. OK because you asked for it. Global warming is a natural cycle, and nothing can stop it, regardless of how much money the politicians and their friends can pull out of your pocket with their taxes. Take note, I'm not denying it is happening, but is earth warming and earth cooling has been happening as long as earth exist, and last time I checked thousands of years ago there was no damaging industry or whatever else they claim the reason is 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 3 minutes ago, CallumWK said: OK because you asked for it. Global warming is a natural cycle, and nothing can stop it, regardless of how much money the politicians and their friends can pull out of your pocket with their taxes. Take note, I'm not denying it is happening, but is earth warming and earth cooling has been happening as long as earth exist, and last time I checked thousands of years ago there was no damaging industry or whatever else they claim the reason is call it cause of co existing happenings, and as now and then, something drive the warming, and now we are part of it. Simple as that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissie Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 54 minutes ago, CallumWK said: OK because you asked for it. Global warming is a natural cycle, and nothing can stop it, regardless of how much money the politicians and their friends can pull out of your pocket with their taxes. Take note, I'm not denying it is happening, but is earth warming and earth cooling has been happening as long as earth exist, and last time I checked thousands of years ago there was no damaging industry or whatever else they claim the reason is Yes, natural climate changes always occured. (At some time the earth was a "snowball", only "ice-free" around the Equator). Those changes took place over thousands or hunderthousands of years. This time around, WE heated up the planet, in less the 200 years. Studying physics helps, instead of listening to a certain US polititian that has declared climate change as a "hoax". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallumWK Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) 15 minutes ago, swissie said: Yes, natural climate changes always occured. (At some time the earth was a "snowball", only "ice-free" around the Equator). Those changes took place over thousands or hunderthousands of years. This time around, WE heated up the planet, in less the 200 years. Studying physics helps, instead of listening to a certain US polititian that has declared climate change as a "hoax". What happened over those thousands of years you mention, was a bit different from a 1.5°C increase or decrease. Studying maths helps, instead of listening to Greta Edited June 10 by CallumWK 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Daley Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Because global warming doesn't exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissie Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 3 hours ago, Chris Daley said: Because global warming doesn't exist. It doesen't exist in your head. In the real world: Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prubangboy Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 The young won't bail us out. They are constrained by high housing prices and debt. They won't be motivated to vote for current high cost/no short-term benefit policies. They will kick the can down the road, like we did. If we hadn't, they wouldn't have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atpeace Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) It seems humans are a factor but not 100%. You can look at scary graphs that include urban areas or look at non-populated regions to get a better picture. Why do that when you can scream the world is doomed like Greta. Below is a data from the arctic. Worrisome - yes but not even close to what "many" environmentalists are selling. I just picked a part of the globe that isn't impacted by urbanization. If my logic is wrong, then tell me why without making this into a competition. https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/surface-air-temperature/ Edited June 14 by atpeace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon43 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) If we look at a graph of the various glacial periods over hundreds of millions of years, we can see that the Earth is currently at an interglacial period. Interestingly, the high temperature of this 'hot' period is less than was experienced in the previous interglacial periods. Industrialisation certainly has contributed to an increase in global temperatures. However as a scientist, I'm not swayed by the various efforts to achieve net-zero carbon emissions etc. It's rather like King Canute trying to turn back the sea. The Earth is somewhat 'stronger' than our puny species and you can't change a climatic effect that has existed for millions of years. If the human species is eliminated by the natural cycle of the Earth's temperature, then so be it 🙂 Edited June 14 by simon43 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted Tuesday at 04:28 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:28 AM On 6/14/2024 at 8:38 AM, simon43 said: If we look at a graph of the various glacial periods over hundreds of millions of years, we can see that the Earth is currently at an interglacial period. Interestingly, the high temperature of this 'hot' period is less than was experienced in the previous interglacial periods. Industrialisation certainly has contributed to an increase in global temperatures. However as a scientist, I'm not swayed by the various efforts to achieve net-zero carbon emissions etc. It's rather like King Canute trying to turn back the sea. The Earth is somewhat 'stronger' than our puny species and you can't change a climatic effect that has existed for millions of years. If the human species is eliminated by the natural cycle of the Earth's temperature, then so be it 🙂 Some confused thinking here from a self-proclaimed scientist. For one thing, as a scientist, you should understand that climate change isn't just about change per se, but rate of change. I don't see any evidence that you have taken that into account. Which omission is kind of odd for a scientist. Whatever do you mean by "The Earth is somewhat 'stronger' than our puny species and you can't change a climatic effect that has existed for millions of years." Because there are long term temperature changes that are caused by factors extraneous to greenhouse gas levels, that means that on a shorter term basis reversing the rise would be ineffective? On what scientific basis do you deny that the same surge which was caused by increased levels of greenhouse gases can't be reversed by lowering them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted Tuesday at 04:29 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:29 AM On 6/11/2024 at 12:25 AM, CallumWK said: OK because you asked for it. Global warming is a natural cycle, and nothing can stop it, regardless of how much money the politicians and their friends can pull out of your pocket with their taxes. Take note, I'm not denying it is happening, but is earth warming and earth cooling has been happening as long as earth exist, and last time I checked thousands of years ago there was no damaging industry or whatever else they claim the reason is Someone else who doesn't understand that it isn't about warming per se but the rate of warming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted Tuesday at 04:31 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:31 AM On 6/14/2024 at 8:08 AM, atpeace said: It seems humans are a factor but not 100%. You can look at scary graphs that include urban areas or look at non-populated regions to get a better picture. Why do that when you can scream the world is doomed like Greta. Below is a data from the arctic. Worrisome - yes but not even close to what "many" environmentalists are selling. I just picked a part of the globe that isn't impacted by urbanization. If my logic is wrong, then tell me why without making this into a competition. https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/surface-air-temperature/ Because the Arctic is warming at a faster pace than the world as a whole. which means that greenland is dumping huge amounts of water into the seas. And the arctic floating ice with a high albedo is decreasing and that means the seas get warmer faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted Tuesday at 04:35 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:35 AM (edited) On 6/11/2024 at 12:16 AM, swissie said: Why not tell it how it is? All the counter measures to combat "earth warming" come 30 years too late and are not radical enough. Even if we could contain the warming at the current 1,5°, at those temperatures, the ice will keep melting, with all the foreseeable consequences. To stop this process, we would have to cool down the earth by 1.5°. IMPOSSIBLE. We are on a highway to hell, but still enjoying the ride. It's strictly "after us the deluge". Why not (finally) tell it how it is. Fortunately, todays youth is busy on social media. Mostly content, as long as there is "panem et circenses". It has been "told as it is" for 30+ years 😵💫 Younger folks are far more aware and motivated than old folks on this issue. What r u on about? Edited Tuesday at 04:36 AM by mikebike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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