Why not tell it how it is ?

[swissie]

Why not tell it how it is? All the counter measures to combat "earth warming" come 30 years too late and are not radical enough. Even if we could contain the warming at the current 1,5°, at those temperatures, the ice will keep melting, with all the foreseeable consequences. To stop this process, we would have to cool down the earth by 1.5°. IMPOSSIBLE.

We are on a highway to hell, but still enjoying the ride. It's strictly "after us the deluge". Why not (finally) tell it how it is.

Fortunately, todays youth is busy on social media. Mostly content, as long as there is "panem et circenses".

[CallumWK]

4 minutes ago, swissie said:

Why not (finally) tell it how it is.

 

 

OK because you asked for it.

 

Global warming is a natural cycle, and nothing can stop it, regardless of how much money the politicians and their friends can pull out of your pocket with their taxes.

 

Take note, I'm not denying it is happening, but is earth warming and earth cooling has been happening as long as earth exist, and last time I checked thousands of years ago there was no damaging industry or whatever else they claim the reason is

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

OK because you asked for it.

 

Global warming is a natural cycle, and nothing can stop it, regardless of how much money the politicians and their friends can pull out of your pocket with their taxes.

 

Take note, I'm not denying it is happening, but is earth warming and earth cooling has been happening as long as earth exist, and last time I checked thousands of years ago there was no damaging industry or whatever else they claim the reason is

call it cause of co existing happenings, and as now and then, something drive the warming, and now we are part of it. Simple as that

[swissie]

54 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

OK because you asked for it.

 

Global warming is a natural cycle, and nothing can stop it, regardless of how much money the politicians and their friends can pull out of your pocket with their taxes.

 

Take note, I'm not denying it is happening, but is earth warming and earth cooling has been happening as long as earth exist, and last time I checked thousands of years ago there was no damaging industry or whatever else they claim the reason is

Yes, natural climate changes always occured. (At some time the earth was a "snowball", only "ice-free" around the Equator). Those changes took place over thousands or hunderthousands of years. This time around, WE heated up the planet, in less the 200 years.

Studying physics helps, instead of listening to a certain US polititian that has declared climate change as a "hoax".

[CallumWK]

15 minutes ago, swissie said:

Yes, natural climate changes always occured. (At some time the earth was a "snowball", only "ice-free" around the Equator). Those changes took place over thousands or hunderthousands of years. This time around, WE heated up the planet, in less the 200 years.

Studying physics helps, instead of listening to a certain US polititian that has declared climate change as a "hoax".

 

What happened over those thousands of years you mention, was a bit different from a 1.5°C increase or decrease.

 

Studying maths helps, instead of listening to Greta

Edited June 10 by CallumWK

[Chris Daley]

Because global warming doesn't exist.

[swissie]

3 hours ago, Chris Daley said:

Because global warming doesn't exist.

It doesen't exist in your head. In the real world: Yes.

[Prubangboy]

The young won't bail us out. They are constrained by high housing prices and debt.

 

They won't be motivated to vote for current high cost/no short-term benefit policies.

 

They will kick the can down the road, like we did. If we hadn't, they wouldn't have to.

[atpeace]

It seems humans are a factor but not 100%.  You can look at scary graphs that include urban areas or look at non-populated regions to get a better picture.  Why do that when you can scream  the world is doomed like Greta.  Below is a data from the arctic.  Worrisome - yes but not even close to what "many" environmentalists are selling.  I just picked a part of the globe that isn't impacted by urbanization.  If my logic is wrong, then tell me why without making this into a competition.

 

https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/surface-air-temperature/

 

Edited June 14 by atpeace

[simon43]

If we look at a graph of the various glacial periods over hundreds of millions of years, we can see that the Earth is currently at an interglacial period. 

 

Interestingly, the high temperature of this 'hot' period is less than was experienced in the previous interglacial periods.

 

Industrialisation certainly has contributed to an increase in global temperatures.  However as a scientist, I'm not swayed by the various efforts to achieve net-zero carbon emissions etc. It's rather like King Canute trying to turn back the sea.  The Earth is somewhat 'stronger' than our puny species and you can't change a climatic effect that has existed for millions of years.

 

If the human species is eliminated by the natural cycle of the Earth's temperature, then so be it 🙂

 

Edited June 14 by simon43

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On 6/14/2024 at 8:38 AM, simon43 said:

If we look at a graph of the various glacial periods over hundreds of millions of years, we can see that the Earth is currently at an interglacial period. 

 

Interestingly, the high temperature of this 'hot' period is less than was experienced in the previous interglacial periods.

 

Industrialisation certainly has contributed to an increase in global temperatures.  However as a scientist, I'm not swayed by the various efforts to achieve net-zero carbon emissions etc. It's rather like King Canute trying to turn back the sea.  The Earth is somewhat 'stronger' than our puny species and you can't change a climatic effect that has existed for millions of years.

 

If the human species is eliminated by the natural cycle of the Earth's temperature, then so be it 🙂

 

Some confused thinking here from a self-proclaimed scientist. For one thing, as a scientist, you should understand that climate change isn't just about change per se, but rate of change. I don't see any evidence that you have taken that into account. Which omission is kind of odd for a scientist. Whatever do you mean by "The Earth is somewhat 'stronger' than our puny species and you can't change a climatic effect that has existed for millions of years." Because there are long term temperature changes that are caused by factors extraneous to greenhouse gas levels, that means that on a shorter term basis reversing the rise would be ineffective?  On what scientific basis do you deny that the same surge which was caused by increased levels of greenhouse gases can't be reversed by lowering them?

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On 6/11/2024 at 12:25 AM, CallumWK said:

 

OK because you asked for it.

 

Global warming is a natural cycle, and nothing can stop it, regardless of how much money the politicians and their friends can pull out of your pocket with their taxes.

 

Take note, I'm not denying it is happening, but is earth warming and earth cooling has been happening as long as earth exist, and last time I checked thousands of years ago there was no damaging industry or whatever else they claim the reason is

Someone else who doesn't understand that it isn't about warming per se but the rate of warming.

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On 6/14/2024 at 8:08 AM, atpeace said:

It seems humans are a factor but not 100%.  You can look at scary graphs that include urban areas or look at non-populated regions to get a better picture.  Why do that when you can scream  the world is doomed like Greta.  Below is a data from the arctic.  Worrisome - yes but not even close to what "many" environmentalists are selling.  I just picked a part of the globe that isn't impacted by urbanization.  If my logic is wrong, then tell me why without making this into a competition.

 

https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/surface-air-temperature/

 

Because the Arctic is warming at a faster pace than the world as a whole. which means that greenland is dumping huge amounts of water into the seas. And the arctic floating ice with a high albedo is decreasing and that means the seas get warmer faster.

[mikebike]

On 6/11/2024 at 12:16 AM, swissie said:

Why not tell it how it is? All the counter measures to combat "earth warming" come 30 years too late and are not radical enough. Even if we could contain the warming at the current 1,5°, at those temperatures, the ice will keep melting, with all the foreseeable consequences. To stop this process, we would have to cool down the earth by 1.5°. IMPOSSIBLE.

We are on a highway to hell, but still enjoying the ride. It's strictly "after us the deluge". Why not (finally) tell it how it is.

Fortunately, todays youth is busy on social media. Mostly content, as long as there is "panem et circenses".

It has been "told as it is" for 30+ years 😵‍💫 Younger folks are far more aware and motivated than old folks on this issue. What r u on about? 

Edited June 25 by mikebike

[swissie]

On 6/10/2024 at 7:16 PM, swissie said:

Why not tell it how it is? All the counter measures to combat "earth warming" come 30 years too late and are not radical enough. Even if we could contain the warming at the current 1,5°, at those temperatures, the ice will keep melting, with all the foreseeable consequences. To stop this process, we would have to cool down the earth by 1.5°. IMPOSSIBLE.

We are on a highway to hell, but still enjoying the ride. It's strictly "after us the deluge". Why not (finally) tell it how it is.

Fortunately, todays youth is busy on social media. Mostly content, as long as there is "panem et circenses".

The trees absorb a lot of CO2. During it's lifetime that is.

A dead tree laying in the forest will give back all the stored CO2 back into the athmosphere.
Wood for construction purposes will not last forever, ending up as firewood. Also giving back the CO2 into the athmosphere.

In order to neutralize my livelong CO2 "footprint", I would have to plant 800 trees.
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- "Pivot-points" have entered the discussion. Some far away, others nearer. The "nearest" pivot point is when the Gulf Stream stops circulating (constantly slowing down).

If that happens, nobody would want to live in Ireland, England, Norway and Sweden anymore. Getting too cold. Ironically, this in a period of global warming. While in other regions it will become "too hot".

Overall, buying some real estate in northern Canada sounds good.