Labour to Permit 100,000 Migrants to Apply for Asylum

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

What you are looking forward to is, the UK's downfall, more of your friends given entry to the UK, and the populace paying more taxes to cater for what you crave....

Fabricated nonsense.

[James105]

12 minutes ago, Pickwick said:

some went on to be unsuccessful further down the line; conversely one third of appeals against the initial decision were subsequently successful.

 

It is ridiculously easy to game the system as once the first appeal is rejected they will either pretend to change religion or pretend they are gay to get it approved.  

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68543879

 

I don't understand how so many people can be so naive about this.  

[BobBKK]

16 hours ago, Pickwick said:

Which is a completely different topic to that which we were discussing.

 

 

AseanNow is an Asian-based debate forum, and many of us live in Thailand. My answer was to a question, and a comparison to where we live is perfectly reasonable. Tories were useless at dealing with the immigrant problem, and Labour will be far worse, IMHO. They are economic migrants - we are weak and indecisive with this issue, and as we ruminate, thousands more will arrive in boats via rich enablers.

[BobBKK]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Correct, its a problem created by the Tories that Labour now need to sort out.

 

And they are on it.

 That's not true - the Tories did not 'create the problem' but were inept at dealing with it - Labour will be far worse - watch this space.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

It is ridiculously easy to game the system as once the first appeal is rejected they will either pretend to change religion or pretend they are gay to get it approved.  

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68543879

 

I don't understand how so many people can be so naive about this.  

Look in a mirror:

 

The Bishop of Chelmsford told MPs she queried Rev Firth's claims.

"The figures don't quite add up to me," the Right Reverend Guli Francis-Dehqani said.

She added: "I have spoken to clergy who have turned people down [for baptism] because they did not feel they met the criteria."

The clergy took baptisms very seriously, she said.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 That's not true - the Tories did not 'create the problem' but were inept at dealing with it - Labour will be far worse - watch this space.

The Tories withdrew funding from the immigration service and sat idle as the backlog of asylum claims grew.

 

It is that backlog that Labour are now addressing.

[BobBKK]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Tories withdrew funding from the immigration service and sat idle as the backlog of asylum claims grew.

 

It is that backlog that Labour are now addressing.

I agree they were inept.

[James105]

27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Look in a mirror:

 

The Bishop of Chelmsford told MPs she queried Rev Firth's claims.

"The figures don't quite add up to me," the Right Reverend Guli Francis-Dehqani said.

She added: "I have spoken to clergy who have turned people down [for baptism] because they did not feel they met the criteria."

The clergy took baptisms very seriously, she said.

 

 

Sigh.  It's a BBC article of course they are not going to go into detail as it doesn't suit their narrative.  Here is confirmation from a minister who performed 500 baptisms for migrants as he thought he was being nice, but will not have to deal with the consequences when one of these recent converts throws acid over a womans face, as one such "converted" migrant did.   

 

"Pastor Rees said he wanted to help immigrants in need, adding: 'We prayed that God would send us asylum seekers and lo and behold the Home Office opened up an office right next to the church."

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13069405/pastor-baptised-asylum-sea-church-Christianity-conversions-bogus.html

 

Or this example:

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/abdul-ezedi-clapham-acid-attack-christianity-conversion-sex-assault-b1147845.html

 

"Acid attacker who stayed in UK thanks to Christianity conversion was 'escorted' at church due to sex assault conviction"

 

Like I said, I don't understand how so many people can be so naive.   Do you often fall for those emails offering you lots of money to help out a Nigerian prince as well? 

 

[Pickwick]

2 hours ago, James105 said:

It is ridiculously easy to game the system as once the first appeal is rejected they will either pretend to change religion or pretend they are gay to get it approved.  

 

I have no idea if it is 'ridiculously easy' to game the system or not - but moving the goalposts of the topic is tiresome. No one, including myself, is saying there is not a problem. I, and others, are tired of misrepresentation of the facts and the unreasonable blame on a newly elected government barely a week old, for the previous government's failings - a government some on here no doubt voted for at least once in the last 14 years.

 

2 hours ago, James105 said:

I don't understand how so many people can be so naive about this.  

 

Who is naive about what? You are the one asserting non-evidence based opinion as fact.

 

Again the goalposts are being moved, only because the original arguments were based on flimsy conjecture, personal biased opinion - and then exposed as such. The thread was about a misrepresentation of the OP, which was blaming the Labour Party for the backlog of asylum seekers created by the previous government and the erroneous claim they 'were letting in 100,000 asylum seekers'.

 

That was not true at the beginning of this thread and it is not true now. (Now, you seem to be arguing as if the topic was 'there's no immigration problem' - which the topic wasn't and isn't.)

Edited July 13 by Pickwick
apostrophe missing

[Pickwick]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

AseanNow is an Asian-based debate forum, and many of us live in Thailand.

 

I am not sure if you are implying that I do not live in Thailand? For the avoidance of doubt: I do.

 

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

My answer was to a question, and a comparison to where we live is perfectly reasonable.

 

That was not the topic change I was referencing. You asserted that Thailand does not let asylum seekers in, indeed you 'shouted' the word OUT. I said that was not true. it is still not true. You then subsequently - and this was the point of my post - changed your point to 'well they don't get free healthcare etc.'; which I stated was an entirely different point, mainly because it is. I really don't understand your objection.

[Pickwick]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

Tories were useless at dealing with the immigrant problem, and Labour will be far worse, IMHO

 

I wanted to highlight this post separately because I think it is important to the entirety of this thread. That you added 'IMHO' clearly shows it is your opinion and as such is valid and I respect it, even if I doubt the new government can be any worse than the last one.

 

Unfortunately, this thread is full of IMHO dressed up as incontrovertible fact, and that I have an issue with.

[Pickwick]

30 minutes ago, James105 said:

Sigh.  It's a BBC article of course they are not going to go into detail as it doesn't suit their narrative.

 

I am struggling to understand why you quote the BBC if you think they have 'a narrative' yourself. It would suggest cherry-picking when it suits the argument.

32 minutes ago, James105 said:

"Acid attacker who stayed in UK thanks to Christianity conversion was 'escorted' at church due to sex assault conviction"

 

This was an appalling crime and I struggle to understand why he was allowed to remain in the UK (even before his 'conversion'.) But his application was successful under the Tory government's watch, so why are you posting it on a thread about the new Labour government?

 

If you started a new thread about the failure of previous immigration policy then I would probably be interested in that too, and I would be surprised - astonished in fact - if anyone tried to argue it hasn't been a failure.

[James105]

8 minutes ago, Pickwick said:

But his application was successful under the Tory government's watch,

 

Yes, if you take it out of the context it was made in it would appear to not be relevant.   

 

The context is that Labour are processing 100,000 asylum claims, and I'd be very surprised if 100,000 were not accepted either first time, or on the first or second appeals (using the overly generous tax payer funded legal aid scheme), and with the help of useful idiots in the UK who think they are doing something nice by helping those who come from vastly different cultures (who often have zero respect for women's rights) stay in a liberal country like the UK.   

 

11 minutes ago, Pickwick said:

I am struggling to understand why you quote the BBC if you think they have 'a narrative' yourself.

 

The BBC are biased, and using a BBC article highlights the extent of the problem if even they are reporting on it.   

 

13 minutes ago, Pickwick said:

This was an appalling crime and I struggle to understand why he was allowed to remain in the UK (even before his 'conversion'.)

 

Agreed.  This happened under the Tories who, by prior reputation at least, were considered tough on immigration.  Labour have always been soft on this so people are rightly concerned that this problem is going to get a lot worse and by the looks of things already, it will. 

[Chomper Higgot]

54 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Sigh.  It's a BBC article of course they are not going to go into detail as it doesn't suit their narrative.  Here is confirmation from a minister who performed 500 baptisms for migrants as he thought he was being nice, but will not have to deal with the consequences when one of these recent converts throws acid over a womans face, as one such "converted" migrant did.   

 

"Pastor Rees said he wanted to help immigrants in need, adding: 'We prayed that God would send us asylum seekers and lo and behold the Home Office opened up an office right next to the church."

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13069405/pastor-baptised-asylum-sea-church-Christianity-conversions-bogus.html

 

Or this example:

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/abdul-ezedi-clapham-acid-attack-christianity-conversion-sex-assault-b1147845.html

 

"Acid attacker who stayed in UK thanks to Christianity conversion was 'escorted' at church due to sex assault conviction"

 

Like I said, I don't understand how so many people can be so naive.   Do you often fall for those emails offering you lots of money to help out a Nigerian prince as well? 

 

Desperate stuff, but if makes you happy.

 

Meanwhile, Labour are dealing with the over 100,000 asylum seekers left to them by the Tories.

[Pickwick]

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

The context is that Labour are processing 100,000 asylum claims, and I'd be very surprised if 100,000 were not accepted either first time, or on the first or second appeals

 

Well that's your opinion - but that's all it is.

 

I'd be equally surprised if all were accepted, as that would be unheard of in any country, including the UK under various governments. It sounds more like you are simply anti-Labour and would argue white is black if it suited your agenda or your 'beliefs'. 

 

9 minutes ago, James105 said:

with the help of useful idiots in the UK

 

I, and others, have been trying to address your points in a matter of fact way. When you feel you cannot respond to the actual points raised you either move the goalposts or resort to calling people 'naive' or 'idiots'. it does nothing to further your argument - quite the opposite in fact.

12 minutes ago, James105 said:

who often have zero respect for women's right

 

See point above about moving the goalposts. If you have a problem with the lack of women's rights then start a thread about it. It has absolutely nothing to do with the backlog of asylum seekers we are debating here.

 

14 minutes ago, James105 said:

Labour have always been soft on this so people are rightly concerned that this problem is going to get a lot worse and by the looks of things already, it will. 

 

Again opinion based on nothing but your own prejudice - betrayed by the final part 'by the looks of it already'. It's absurd to judge any government of any political hue after one week unless you are already biased against them. It's neither objective nor fair.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 7/11/2024 at 10:01 PM, billd766 said:

If they give false names, throw away their passports, docs etc you want to deport them.

 

If they have no passports or docs, which country do you deport them to?

Rwanda.

[josephbloggs]

2 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Sigh.  It's a BBC article of course they are not going to go into detail as it doesn't suit their narrative.  Here is confirmation from a minister who performed 500 baptisms for migrants as he thought he was being nice, but will not have to deal with the consequences when one of these recent converts throws acid over a womans face, as one such "converted" migrant did.   

 

"Pastor Rees said he wanted to help immigrants in need, adding: 'We prayed that God would send us asylum seekers and lo and behold the Home Office opened up an office right next to the church."

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13069405/pastor-baptised-asylum-sea-church-Christianity-conversions-bogus.html

 

Or this example:

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/abdul-ezedi-clapham-acid-attack-christianity-conversion-sex-assault-b1147845.html

 

"Acid attacker who stayed in UK thanks to Christianity conversion was 'escorted' at church due to sex assault conviction"

 

Like I said, I don't understand how so many people can be so naive.   Do you often fall for those emails offering you lots of money to help out a Nigerian prince as well? 

 

Man ridicules a poster for posting a BBC link because the "BBC is biased". Same man then posts a Daily Mail article.

Absolutely hilarious, you just made my day.

[georgegeorgia]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Fabricated nonsense.

 

 

28 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Man ridicules a poster for posting a BBC link because the "BBC is biased". Same man then posts a Daily Mail article.

Absolutely hilarious, you just made my day.

You Joseph should be laughing and thinking it's hilarious ...all the way to the Bank

, especially with all the money you are making from these poor souls with your low paid  factory work to these desperate souls 

 

These poor refugees are forced into the capitalist society, to fund the lifestyle of the rich aristocratic British wearing Top  hats and looking like Captain Peacock... pathetic!

Edited July 13 by georgegeorgia

[josephbloggs]

2 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

 

 

You Joseph should be laughing and thinking it's hilarious ...all the way to the Bank

, especially with all the money you are making from these poor souls with your hotel accommodation.

 

These poor refugees are forced into the capitalist society, pathetic!

Er............what the heck are you on about? You've completely lost me.

[Nick Carter icp]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Tories withdrew funding from the immigration service and sat idle as the backlog of asylum claims grew.

 

It is that backlog that Labour are now addressing.

 

  in 2023 the backlog of asylum claims fell by 28 % after the UK Gov sharply increased the number of case workers who dealt with the claims for Asylum 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  in 2023 the backlog of asylum claims fell by 28 % after the UK Gov sharply increased the number of case workers who dealt with the claims for Asylum 

 

I’ll back my statement up that the Government cut immigration service staff with one of those things knows as ‘a link’.:

 

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2022/01/24/savage-cuts-to-enforcement-staff-show-how-government-gets-things-backwards

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

I’ll back my statement up that the Government cut immigration service staff with one of those things knows as ‘a link’.:

 

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2022/01/24/savage-cuts-to-enforcement-staff-show-how-government-gets-things-backwards

 

   A link that states the  figures from 2017 -2021 .

My figures were from last year 2023 

 

The UK’s total asylum backlog fell by 28% in 2023 

 

The key reason the backlog shrank in 2023 was that the government made many more decisions on asylum claims (and withdrew more claims, as discussed below). It is not because the number of applications fell

 

 

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-uks-asylum-backlog/

 

[Yellowtail]

On 7/10/2024 at 8:41 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Have you offered any of them a place to stay ?

Can you give some of them a room in your house ?

Sure, I am offering them all a place to stay. They can stay in the UK. 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Sure, I am offering them all a place to stay. They can stay in the UK. 

Stop being silly 

[Pickwick]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   A link that states the  figures from 2017 -2021 .

My figures were from last year 2023 

 

The UK’s total asylum backlog fell by 28% in 2023 

 

The key reason the backlog shrank in 2023 was that the government made many more decisions on asylum claims (and withdrew more claims, as discussed below). It is not because the number of applications fell

 

 

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-uks-asylum-backlog/

 

 

Do you even read your own links? There were concerns that the government had manipulated the statistics in 2023 for political reasons. 

 

Your link specifically informs you that of the people withdrawn from the list by the Home Office over half were returned at the end of 2023 (after the figures for 2023 had been released - for some reason the year ended in September). Source: the Home Office itself!

 

Your link quotes:

 

A January 2024 letter from the Home Office showed that half of all asylum cases withdrawn in the year ending 30 September 2023 had subsequently re-entered the asylum process and had either resulted in a grant of legal status (15%) or were pending an initial decision (35%). Another 32% remained in the UK, and the Home Office was trying to re-establish contact with them

 

https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/42939/documents/213512/default/

Edited July 13 by Pickwick
added link

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   A link that states the  figures from 2017 -2021 .

My figures were from last year 2023 

 

The UK’s total asylum backlog fell by 28% in 2023 

 

The key reason the backlog shrank in 2023 was that the government made many more decisions on asylum claims (and withdrew more claims, as discussed below). It is not because the number of applications fell

 

 

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-uks-asylum-backlog/

 

Too little too late.

 

Still left over 100,000 asylum cases to be cleared by Labour.

 

Routed at the election.

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Too little too late.

 

Still left over 100,000 asylum cases to be cleared by Labour.

 

Routed at the election.

 

   If Labour mess up, Reform will be waiting to pounce on the next election .

   Encouraging illegal immigration and housing them all will not make Labour popular with the electorate 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   If Labour mess up, Reform will be waiting to pounce on the next election .

   Encouraging illegal immigration and housing them all will not make Labour popular with the electorate 

How about we wait to see how Labour perform before whining?

 

Labour are not ‘encouraging illegal immigration’, they are (and this has been said before) dealing with the problem they inherited from the Tories.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

How about we wait to see how Labour perform before whining?

 

Labour are not ‘encouraging illegal immigration’, they are (and this has been said before) dealing with the problem they inherited from the Tories.

 

   Tories tried many different things to deal with illegal immigration , all those efforts were met with opposition from Labour , legal action and not voting measure through .

   Labour did their upmost to block everything and when it all failed............................they blamed the Tories for failing 🙂

   Similar things happen frequently .

Labour inherited  the problem that they created by them opposing the Government attempts to address the issue 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Tories tried many different things to deal with illegal immigration , all those efforts were met with opposition from Labour , legal action and not voting measure through .

   Labour did their upmost to block everything and when it all failed............................they blamed the Tories for failing 🙂

   Similar things happen frequently .

Labour inherited  the problem that they created by them opposing the Government attempts to address the issue 

The Tories had an unassailable majority in parliament.

 

Labour pointing out flaws in the Tory bills in parliament (which is what the Opposition are supposed to do) did not hinder the Tories recklessly passing laws that would, as Labour pointed out, get tossed by the courts. 
 

Quit gaslighting, Labour did not create the problem, it was the Tories who failed - despite an unassailable majority in parliament.