15 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

No doubt the jobs were posted pre election but nothing will have changed since.

I quite agree, but people are blaming Labour for a Tory problem, which is not the same thing (the backlog, of course the overall problem is not party specific, which is again the point).

 

17 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I'm no fan of Starmer, but there is nothing to be gained by wishing for him to fail,  Its in all our interests that he succeeds,with all his intended plans/ policies  whether we agree with them or not

A refreshing and welcome point of view.

1 minute ago, James105 said:

 

Sure, here you go:

 

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Letter-to-PM-09022020-Nadia-Whittome.pdf

 

The only concerns expressed are for the criminals and not for the potential safety or security concerns of the British people.  These were people already convicted of crimes that resulted in imprisonment of more than 12 months so they had their fair trial before they were imprisoned.  

When has any politician  ever  put  the welfare of the indigenous british people  over and above their own political career?  

5 minutes ago, Pickwick said:

I quite agree, but people are blaming Labour for a Tory problem, which is not the same thing (the backlog, of course the overall problem is not party specific, which is again the point).

 

A refreshing and welcome point of view.

None of this is party specific, they are both the same, as will be seen.  Its just unfortunate for the Tories that it happened on their watch, had labour "enjoyed" being in power for the last 14 years would anything be any different?  Somehow I don't think so

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Sure, here you go:

 

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Letter-to-PM-09022020-Nadia-Whittome.pdf

 

The only concerns expressed are for the criminals and not for the potential safety or security concerns of the British people.  These were people already convicted of crimes that resulted in imprisonment of more than 12 months so they had their fair trial before they were imprisoned.  

Hold on. This is a cross-party letter, so not Labour, first mistake.

 

They cite legal concerns after the Windrush scandal and do not mention wanting to keep criminals in the UK. Second mistake.

 

Furthermore, they ask that the government publish 'The Lessons Learned Review' (which they had at the time of the letter) and to suspend all flights until it had been read by parliament. Third mistake.

 

Finally, they ask the government to follow the recommendations of Sir Stephen Shaw that long term British residents who had been in the UK since childhood should not be subject to automatic deportation - Sir Stephen Shaw - a man who was appointed for the role by the right-wing Prime Minister Theresa May and approved by the Tory government in 2015.

 

Lo and behold the reality once more sounds very different from the low-level journalism.

The UK has too many people already and adding all these immigrants isn't going to help.

 

There is a simple solution which will save a fortune in the long run.

 

That is, courage the local population (ie people who in the main were born and raised in the UK), to bu-gger off to warmer climes.... Give sweeteners, such as paying their airfares, visa fees to live in other countries.

 

Simple init?

3 hours ago, simon43 said:

The UK has too many people already and adding all these immigrants isn't going to help.

 

There is a simple solution which will save a fortune in the long run.

 

That is, courage the local population (ie people who in the main were born and raised in the UK), to bu-gger off to warmer climes.... Give sweeteners, such as paying their airfares, visa fees to live in other countries.

 

Simple init?

Also make sure that they and all those who left before them, have their pensions UN frozen. so that they can all afford to live comfortably in other countries.

3 hours ago, simon43 said:

The UK has too many people already and adding all these immigrants isn't going to help.

 

There is a simple solution which will save a fortune in the long run.

 

That is, courage the local population (ie people who in the main were born and raised in the UK), to bu-gger off to warmer climes.... Give sweeteners, such as paying their airfares, visa fees to live in other countries.

 

Simple init?

paying them the full state pension entitlement would be a nice gesture to start the ball rolling

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What's wrong IMO is letting illegals stay longer than pushing them out with enough fuel to get back to France. If there is some international agreement saying they have to let them stay, unsign it.

That is actually the only effective way to respond to what is essentially an invasion.   Had this been the default tactic since the day it all started we would not be in the situation we are facing now. and any whinging from the  human rights crowd would be long forgotten.

Its too late now of course,  the governments attempt to discourage the illegals by escorting them to a hotel and giving them money and a mobile phone, followed by paying an immigration lawyer to represent and advise them as to how to beat the system was surprisingly less than successful, in fact unbelievably, it seems to be encouraging more and more people  to attempt to make the journey, Who on earth would have expected that

12 hours ago, sungod said:

 

It would be very interesting to find out if the females unable to work because of archaic cultural beliefs are allowed by their husbands to trundle down to the benefits office........

ah yes, their contempt for our mad made governance system that pays their benefits.

On 7/11/2024 at 10:59 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Are your guarantees printed on soft tissue paper?

 

They might then have some value.

We will see, oh lefty one, we will see..............🤭

21 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The Rwanda scheme is just Australia's policy transferred to Britain, and it works, so is not a loony idea at all. No idea what HS2 is.

Clearly it isn’t and clearly it didn’t work.

21 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

I expect four outcomes:

 

1. Some claims will be approved and the claimants moved into the community, allowed to work, keep themselves and pay taxes.
2. Some claims will be rejected and the claimants deported.
3. The above two outcomes will reduce the number of people being kept at tax payer's expense.
4. The rightwing will continue to bleat. 

 

 
They should not be allowed in - as you said in a previous post, "it's the law". Try it in Thailand - no visa, you are OUT.

On 7/10/2024 at 8:44 PM, Yellowtail said:

That's what I thought, thanks! 

YellowTail all your comments calling people racist and Islamophobic are .....spot on !

These people are not like us where we help these immigrants by owning apartments and houses to rent to them 

I would love to buy a old building in the UK  and turn it into a hotel to house these immigrants 

I bet a lot of the pommy pompous  upper lip  politicians have their grubby hands in these business's 

Imagine the $$$ we could make getting the contracts to house them 

 

9 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 
They should not be allowed in - as you said in a previous post, "it's the law". Try it in Thailand - no visa, you are OUT.

Oh there is no need to be racist 

The people of the UK voted for it 

Please have some  respect 

1 minute ago, georgegeorgia said:

Oh there is no need to be racist 

The people of the UK voted for it 

Please have some  respect 

 No, they didn't. The vast majority voted against it, and labour had a landslide of 1.7%.  What is this "racist" comment about?  it's ok to break the law?  utter woke nonsense.

3 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 No, they didn't. The vast majority voted against it, and labour had a landslide of 1.7%.  What is this "racist" comment about?  it's ok to break the law?  utter woke nonsense.

Well they had a landslide you said .

So they voted Labour the pro immigration,pro transexuals Party ...not for Tommy or the reform party did they 

 

 

1 minute ago, georgegeorgia said:

Well they had a landslide you said .

So they voted Labour the pro immigration,pro transexuals Party ...not for Tommy or the reform party did they 

 

 

 Are you British? They had a seat landslide but not a vote landslide. Tommy is hated by Reform and a million miles from what Reform stand for.

19 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 
They should not be allowed in - as you said in a previous post, "it's the law". Try it in Thailand - no visa, you are OUT.

UK law permits entry to seek asylum.

 

Nothing to do with Thailand.

 

10 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 No, they didn't. The vast majority voted against it, and labour had a landslide of 1.7%.  What is this "racist" comment about?  it's ok to break the law?  utter woke nonsense.

Welcome to First Past the Post and the whinging that occurs when it doesn’t go your way.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

UK law permits entry to seek asylum.

 

Nothing to do with Thailand.

 

 

I didn't say it was - just a comparison as we live here (I suspect some posters don't live here, but anyway...).

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Welcome to First Past the Post and the whinging that occurs when it doesn’t go your way.

 I recall Labour were amongst those whingers - Lib Dems made it a colossal manifesto thing - funny how the hypocrites change.

5 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 I recall Labour were amongst those whingers - Lib Dems made it a colossal manifesto thing - funny how the hypocrites change.

If you have any posts from

me whining about first past the post feel free to post them.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If you have any posts from

me whining about first past the post feel free to post them.

 I was obviously referring to Labour and the Lib Dems - it's not all about YOU

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

Try it in Thailand - no visa, you are OUT.

That's just not true. Thailand hosts 90,000 refugees, mainly from Myanmar (and estimates there to be 1.2 million illegal immigrants). Also, according to the UNHCR, there are 480,000 persons in Thailand registered as stateless. I am not sure if this figure is accurate or not, however.

1 minute ago, Pickwick said:

That's just not true. Thailand hosts 90,000 refugees, mainly from Myanmar (and estimates there to be 1.2 million illegal immigrants). Also, according to the UNHCR, there are 480,000 persons in Thailand registered as stateless. I am not sure if this figure is accurate or not, however.

 

Well, they don't get hotels, TVs, spending money, health benefits. Etc. They get ZERO.

56 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Tommy is hated by Reform and a million miles from what Reform stand for.

A million miles? Can you tell that to Reform's Noel Matthews then please?

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

 
They should not be allowed in - as you said in a previous post, "it's the law". Try it in Thailand - no visa, you are OUT.

 

Deleted. Duplicates Pickwick's post.

4 minutes ago, Pickwick said:

A million miles? Can you tell that to Reform's Noel Matthews then please?

Oh exactly! That Tommy man is horrendous 

And the British people have spoken in the election and don't want him !

They want immigration, transexuals reading books in libraries and LGBT rights 

Thankyou British people 👍

21 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Sure, here you go:

 

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Letter-to-PM-09022020-Nadia-Whittome.pdf

 

The only concerns expressed are for the criminals and not for the potential safety or security concerns of the British people.  These were people already convicted of crimes that resulted in imprisonment of more than 12 months so they had their fair trial before they were imprisoned.  

 

"The only concerns expressed are for the criminals and not for the potential safety or security concerns of the British people."

 

That's a rather bizarre interpretation of the letter's content.

 

 

As it happened the High Court intervened on precisely the grounds the letter addresses.

 

Perhaps someone in Government hadn't a clue what they were doing, doubling down when the clear faults in their plan were already pointed out to them. 

 

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

Well, they don't get hotels, TVs, spending money, health benefits. Etc. They get ZERO.

Which is a completely different topic to that which we were discussing.