Six Vietnamese Found Dead in Bangkok Hotel Room

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

 

Are you sure that Fentanyl would leave a trace?

I am not sure.

 

2 milligrams is really quite a small dose.

 

 

overdose is maybe kind of poisoning to if it is oral ? 

 

Looked it up and found this

 

Ingestion means you swallowed something. An overdose is not the same as a poisoning, although the effects can be the same. Poisoning occurs when someone or something (such as the environment) exposes you to dangerous chemicals, plants, or other harmful substances without your knowledge

 

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/007287.htm

[GammaGlobulin]

32 minutes ago, Hummin said:

overdose is maybe kind of poisoning to if it is oral ? 

 

Looked it up and found this

 

Ingestion means you swallowed something. An overdose is not the same as a poisoning, although the effects can be the same. Poisoning occurs when someone or something (such as the environment) exposes you to dangerous chemicals, plants, or other harmful substances without your knowledge

 

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/007287.htm

 

 

No, that is not correct:

 

a. If it is BY CHOICE and intentional, and the drug taker knows what he is taking, and chooses to take it, and is NOT intending to off himself, but still dies because he has ingested too much, then....

This would be an "overdose".

 

b.  But, if the deceased never intended to take any given drug, but somehow happened to ingest a drug, and that drug killed him, then this would be a poisoning.  It could be an unintentional poisoning.  Or, it could be an intentional poisoning committed by another party, which would then be considered murder by poison.

 

c.  Then, in the US:  If a drug seller sells a drug (if it is FENTANYL) to a user, and if the seller knowingly misrepresents the type of drug he is providing, and the user ingests that drug, and consequently dies of that drug, then this is considered a poisoning, and this is also considered murder, first degree, in some states in the US.  At least, this is my understanding.

 

d.  In this case, it is still probably:  Intoxication by Substance to be determined...

 

 

Edited July 16 by GammaGlobulin

[Stanton681]

26 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

They may have been Boat People....

 

 

Boat people - in a Grand Hyatt hotel?

[GammaGlobulin]

1 minute ago, Stanton681 said:

Boat people - in a Grand Hyatt hotel?

 

Maybe deep discount using coupons and online reservations, or something.

 

Or, maybe they borrowed points from a third party?

 

 

[JackGats]

1 hour ago, Martin71 said:

News report on sky news saying all six where found "foaming at the mouth" according to local police...

 

https://news.sky.com/story/thailand-six-people-found-dead-at-hotel-in-bangkok-13178740

The PM was also foaming at the mouth because of the impact on tourism. I theorize the victims were also foaming at the mouth because of the impact they knew their own deaths would have on tourism.  So the foaming must be unrelated to the cause of death and is throwing the investigation on a wrong track.

 

Just my 2 cents.

[GammaGlobulin]

1 hour ago, robz said:

A few days before, I have read in the thai media that the police seized drug pills from myanmar which contained high levels of cyanide. But I can't find the link.

 

Do you recall this case in which 5 people died, all at once, and suddenly, from overdose of Fentanyl.

A friend visited the apartment, and found the 5 people dead, as if they had just fallen in their tracks.

It hit them that suddenly.

 

So, sort of the same scenario:

5 people die together, suddenly, and immediately, without being able to call for help.

 

 

But, I find this very strange, too:

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/bangkok-shooting-hotel-casualties-thailand-police-b1171036.html

 

They were preparing to Check Out!

They had already packed their bags!

Then, they drop dead?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 16 by GammaGlobulin

[Harsh Jones]

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

I wonder if the poison used was.....

FENTANYL

?

 

When some were disclosed as Americans , I thought fent too. Ppl bring small amounts of drugs with them all the time. Maybe they wanted to settle in and get comfy 

[Harsh Jones]

14 minutes ago, JackGats said:

The PM was also foaming at the mouth because of the impact on tourism. I theorize the victims were also foaming at the mouth because of the impact they knew their own deaths would have on tourism.  So the foaming must be unrelated to the cause of death and is throwing the investigation on a wrong track.

 

Just my 2 cents.

Ah yes. Your 2 cents and all the Thai bashers 2 cents. You will twist everything to blame the usual mix of Thai incompetence and corruption. 

[GammaGlobulin]

3 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

When some were disclosed as Americans , I thought fent too. Ppl bring small amounts of drugs with them all the time. Maybe they wanted to settle in and get comfy 

 

If you read the news reports, there seems to be conflicting info.

Some say they were preparing to check out, and other reports say they had just checked in.

Must be something lost in translation.

 

Anyway..YES...as you say....

If from America, then Fentanyl is not unlikely.

And, it acts fast!

 

 

[orchis]

It was a group of 7 travelers, one still unaccounted for, some had room on 7th floor, some on 5th floor, however the 6 and their luggage were found gathered in one garden villa on the 5th floor; 4 in the living room, 2 in a bedroom; all were supposed to check out on Monday.
(source RTP press conference).
 

What is puzzling is they were found on Tuesday; when I check out even one hour late I have the reception on the telephone already, let alone a full day.

Edited July 16 by orchis

[Kinnock]

15 minutes ago, orchis said:

It was a group of 7 travelers, one still unaccounted for, some had room on 7th floor, some on 5th floor, however the 6 and their luggage were found gathered in one garden villa on the 5th floor; 4 in the living room, 2 in a bedroom; all were supposed to check out on Monday.
(source RTP press conference).
 

What is puzzling is they were found on Tuesday; when I check out even one hour late I have the reception on the telephone already, let alone a full day.

Listening to the news conference the police said they had all checked out of their individual rooms, and moved to the suite.

 

That's why they their luggage was packed in their cases near the door.  They'd checked out of their own rooms and gathered in the one room.

[GammaGlobulin]

22 minutes ago, orchis said:

It was a group of 7 travelers, one still unaccounted for, some had room on 7th floor, some on 5th floor, however the 6 and their luggage were found gathered in one garden villa on the 5th floor; 4 in the living room, 2 in a bedroom; all were supposed to check out on Monday.
(source RTP press conference).
 

What is puzzling is they were found on Tuesday; when I check out even one hour late I have the reception on the telephone already, let alone a full day.

 

Yes.

And, even more puzzling...

 

This is like "The Last Supper", or something...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3g3prgzzjpo

 

How can you poison so many people at the same time?

 

It looks like they were getting ready to enjoy a very nice meal, too.... "The Last Lunch".

 

 

And, obviously, from the photo:  There were orders for SIX people on the table.

 

This is sort of like one of those:  Agatha Christie mysteries, or something...

 

 

 

Edited July 16 by GammaGlobulin

[greeneking]

2 hours ago, kwilco said:

here come the Sherlocks!

CSI Thai Visa hot on the case again.

[orchis]

4 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Listening to the news conference the police said they had all checked out of their individual rooms, and moved to the suite.

 

That's why they their luggage was packed in their cases near the door.  They'd checked out of their own rooms and gathered in the one room.

that's what I wrote, duh.

[Harsh Jones]

6 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Yes.

And, even more puzzling...

 

This is like "The Last Supper", or something...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3g3prgzzjpo

 

How can you poison so many people at the same time?

 

It looks like they were getting ready to enjoy a very nice meal, too.... "The Last Lunch".

 

 

And, obviously, from the photo:  There were orders for SIX people on the table.

 

This is sort of like one of those:  Agatha Christie mysteries, or something...

 

 

 

Typical SE Asia supper. It does look in order. They don't look like ghetto people 

[Harsh Jones]

If it was an intentional poisoning , whoever did it knew what they were doing. In many cases with intentional poising, it is idiots doing it who put Roundup or something in drinks. And nobody actually dies.

[GammaGlobulin]

3 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

Typical SE Asia supper. It does look in order. They don't look like ghetto people 

 

So then, please explain this:

 

Why would they have drunk their tea/water/sports drink/cola....BEFORE they even touched their meal?

Only one meal's plastic wrap is even uncovered.

 

Nobody sits down at table, FIRST drinks tea and coffee, and THEN eats their food....do they?

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

16 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

If it was an intentional poisoning , whoever did it knew what they were doing. In many cases with intentional poising, it is idiots doing it who put Roundup or something in drinks. And nobody actually dies.

 

Yes, but whatever poison was used, this poison must have been super fast acting.

If CN, then CN is a very painful death, and should be easily spotted by looking at the body, one would think.

And, how do you get 6 individuals to swallow CN all at the same time?

 

If it was something like Fentanyl, then this might have been a bit slower acting, and maybe someone did a GanBei bottoms up with the drinks?

 

But what would be the point of the 7th individual leaving the room?

There are security cameras all over.

 

However, of course, there was no 7th person in the room, because there were only SIX orders of food!

 

Also, what about the open container of honey?

What would you use honey for?

Asians do not sweeten their tea, usually.  Very rarely.

 

And, you don't put honey in DomYomGong, which I can see on the table.

 

So, then, why the open container of honey, which seems to have NO USEFULNESS in this setting?

 

 

 

 

Edited July 16 by GammaGlobulin

[BarraMarra]

Oh well Stretta and his Tourism ministers can sleep well there image is intact no need to worry, get a Monk in do a blessing. Sorted new guests in the suite before the end of the week non the wiser. 

[GammaGlobulin]

2 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Oh well Stretta and his Tourism ministers can sleep well there image is intact no need to worry, get a Monk in do a blessing. Sorted new guests in the suite before the end of the week non the wiser. 

 

This news story seems bigger than usual.

So, not sure if new guests might, as you say, be none the wiser, within the period of just one week.

 

And, anyway, no guests will be allowed to use this suite until the case is resolved, one might assume.

 

 

[scubascuba3]

The only thing we know for certainty is that after a few days we won't hear about this case ever again

[fondue zoo]

 

The incident was unexpected, but it should not have any negative impact on tourism, he said. PM

 

Did he say that?

A somewhat inappropriate comment from a PM at a crime scene.

 

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

If poison, then it must have been an extremely fast acting poison, simply because two individuals tried, but failed, to reach the exit door of the room.

 

This means that the individuals would have had to take the poison all at the same time.

And, further, that the poison would have had to be able to kill in seconds.

 

So, then, it could NOT have been cyanide, UNLESS the cyanide were inhaled, and not swallowed or injected....

 

But, if something like Fentanyl, they might have been overcome in seconds, as well, even without inhalation of the drug.

 

If CN, then how do you get 6 individuals to inhale cyanide gas, all at the same time?

 

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Could it be possible that this was an allergic reaction?

Some allergic reactions can constrict the airway and cause collapse very quickly.

But then....why would all 6 individuals be susceptible to the same allergen?

 

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Possibly even faster acting than cyanide gas, might be something like a nerve gas, but doesn't Sarin nerve gas take minutes, and not seconds?

You also get the foaming at the mouth, of course.

 

In this crime scene, I think that I might have worn a hazmat suit, which is becoming standard garb for these types of cases in the USA, it seems.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 16 by GammaGlobulin

[smedly]

1 hour ago, greeneking said:

CSI Thai Visa hot on the case again.

you two have contributed zero to this topic, my guess is you very rarely contribute to anything 

[GammaGlobulin]

From the New York Times, we have corroboration that all SIX drank coffee or tea!

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/world/asia/thailand-six-dead-poisoning.html

 

So, why would they drink coffee and tea before their meal, and not after or during the meal, and most Chinese do?

And, once again, what is the role of the open container of honey?

Was this a purchase made in Thailand as a souvenir, as honey is a very nice gift to be bought by many in Thailand, while visiting.

 

Also, according to this article, it was only "assumed" that they had been poisoned, and so this does not rule out some sort of mutual act engaged in by all SIX which led to death for all.

 

But then, why were two of the individuals trying to reach the door, to exit? 

 

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One other curious fact:

There were 6 plates of food ordered for 6 people, consisting of fried rice and a fried egg, one plate per person.  But there were only 4 bowls of TomYongGong soup!

What happened to the other two bowls?

 

In addition, there was a plate of seaweed, and two plates of some kind of mixed vegetables, some sliced Asian cucumber garnishes, and all the coffee/tea cups were missing from the table in the BBC photo image, except for one lone cup.

 

Who overturned that water bottle in the BBC photo image?

The water bottle was lying on its side, empty.

 

If we had more information, or all the information available, then it might be possible to say more, and, perhaps, help to suggest solutions to this mystery.

 

 

 

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

4 hours ago, Lorry said:

As for the cause,  Nation  TV reports cyanide poisoning. 

No Thai would ever do that.

It must be suicide. 

 

Srettha was already on the crime scene, as was Torsak, so we can be sure it will be a very thorough and professional investigation. 

 

If it were suicide, then why would they have ordered such a very nice meal, and then left it untouched?

 

On the other hand, they DID have an open container of honey.

They might have used the honey to mask the bitter or metallic taste of cyanide...

 

https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/departments-and-agencies/dph/dph/communications/cerc/cyanidespdf.pdf

 

So, in this scenario, all six individuals added cyanide and honey to their coffee/tea drinks, and did a bottoms-up "gan bei" down the hatch, in unison?

 

But then why would two of the 6 try to head for the door?

Cyanide is painful, and so why did the group looks so "peaceful".

 

If they were going to ingest cyanide, would they not have first wished to have their nice, and last, meal, together?

 

Nothing makes much sense here.

Perhaps this is just another completely senseless act?

 

 

 

 

[thesetat2013]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Police found their luggage near the front door, an indication that the group had not just arrived but had settled in.

Obviously the AI got this one wrong. Either just arriving or preparing to leave would be a betters assessment. Other news channels are saying they were checking out that day. 

[GammaGlobulin]

10 minutes ago, thesetat2013 said:

Obviously the AI got this one wrong. Either just arriving or preparing to leave would be a betters assessment. Other news channels are saying they were checking out that day. 

 

Yes.

They arrived in two separate parties on Saturday and Sunday.

They are said to have died on Monday.

And they were scheduled to check out on Tuesday.

 

But then, why check out of their other rooms on Monday?

Why move all their luggage to the larger suite on Monday?

Why not move to the suite on Tuesday, which is the day they were scheduled to check out?

 

 

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/world/six-found-dead-luxury-bangkok-hotel

 

 

 

[webfact]

6 Vietnamese found dead of suspected poisoning at hotel in central Bangkok

 

 

Six Vietnamese nationals, three men and three women, were found dead of suspected poisoning in a room in a hotel in Bangkok’s Ratchaprasong shopping district on Tuesday night.

 

Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin was seen arriving at the hotel where the bodies were found.

 

According to an initial police report, four died at a dining table and the two others in the bedroom. The bodies have been taken to the Chulalongkorn Hospital for autopsy.

 

There were no signs of struggle. Tea and coffee cups were found to have been used.

 

Police said that the room was being used by the occupants to pack their luggage before checking out. A tour guide has been taken to Lumpini police station for questioning.

 

Full story: Thai PBS 2024-07-17

 

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[DonniePeverley]

Disgusting comments from the PM regarding 'protecting the image of tourism'

 

What about the heartfelt condolances to the families first ?

 

Totally disgusting human being. 

Edited July 16 by DonniePeverley