Israel Hamas War the Widening Middle East Conflict

[Bkk Brian]

6 hours ago, Neeranam said:

B'Tselem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories  - The world must stop the ethnic cleansing of northern Gaza

 

The magnitude of the crimes Israel is currently committing in the northern Gaza Strip in its campaign to empty it of however many residents are left is impossible to describe, not just because hundreds of thousands of people enduring starvation, disease without access to medical care and incessant bombardments and gunfire defies comprehension, but because Israel has cut them off from the world.

https://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20241022_the_world_must_stop_the_ethnic_cleansing_of_northern_gaza

hundreds of thousands of people enduring starvation

 

Fact less and baseless accusations thrown out in a short press release with no accompanying evidence, no wonder you jump on them........

 

Here's the real evidence.

 

IPC food security snapshot publication: what you need to know🧵🧵🧵

Bottom line: Although the IPC's reports on Gaza were characterized by bias and methodological failures (as explained in detail in the response documents published on the 
@IsraelMFA
 website), the new report, like its predecessor from June, clearly points to an improving trend in the food security situation in Gaza. 

 

 

[Neeranam]

The US and the world are watching Israel closely. 

 

The US has demanded proof on the ground that Israel does not have a policy of starvation in northern Gaza as it turned up the pressure on the Netanyahu government to allow more aid into the territory. 

The US ambassador to the UN, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, told the security council on Wednesday at a meeting convened by France UK and Algeria that such a policy “would not just be horrific and unacceptable” but also had “implications under international and US law”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/16/urgent-un-security-council-meeting-called-amid-pressure-on-israel-to-allow-aid-into-gaza

 

[Bkk Brian]

On 10/24/2024 at 10:33 AM, Neeranam said:

The US and the world are watching Israel closely. 

 

The US has demanded proof on the ground that Israel does not have a policy of starvation in northern Gaza as it turned up the pressure on the Netanyahu government to allow more aid into the territory. 

The US ambassador to the UN, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, told the security council on Wednesday at a meeting convened by France UK and Algeria that such a policy “would not just be horrific and unacceptable” but also had “implications under international and US law”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/16/urgent-un-security-council-meeting-called-amid-pressure-on-israel-to-allow-aid-into-gaza

Yes but obviously you're not watching closely enough, that article is from the 16th Oct, 8 days ago, keep up with the news, read the evidence already posted.

[Patong2021]

On 10/13/2024 at 6:22 PM, stevenl said:

They couldn't and were not tasked with that.

Allowing Hezbollah to build tunnels including , command and control bunkers and munitions storage either under or in close proximity to UN positions, in effect using the UN facilities as cover was not in their tasks either, and yet they allowed it. How could they miss the construction activity or the  foot traffic?

[Patong2021]

12 hours ago, Neeranam said:

The US and the world are watching Israel closely. 

 

The US has demanded proof on the ground that Israel does not have a policy of starvation in northern Gaza as it turned up the pressure on the Netanyahu government to allow more aid into the territory. 

The US ambassador to the UN, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, told the security council on Wednesday at a meeting convened by France UK and Algeria that such a policy “would not just be horrific and unacceptable” but also had “implications under international and US law”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/16/urgent-un-security-council-meeting-called-amid-pressure-on-israel-to-allow-aid-into-gaza

 

 

Food aid has entered. Hamas typically takes it for its personnel and their families. Last week, 50  trucks carrying aid entered the north of the Gaza strip. It is up to Gaza to distribute the food fairly. 

Georgios Petropoulos - head of the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in Gaza - admitted to the  the BBC that  organised criminal gangs operating in Gaza were active, with many aid drivers reporting being robbed while transporting food and shelter items. These crime groups also participated in the October 7 attack on Israel in hopes of obtaining hostages that they could ransom off.

 

Yes, there is  hardship, but it is the intended objective of Hamas. The more suffering that can be shown, the greater the pressure can be brought on Israel. The US and EU positions are in large part political posturing to appease their own voter base. The US administration needs the Arab vote in Michigan and has to talk tough on issues like this to show that they care, The reality is that no one really cares about the Gazans. Not the western hand wringers, and certainly not the leadership of Hamas who cavort in their luxury villas in Qatar with their US$11 billion of funds siphoned off from aid donors. 

 

[Bkk Brian]

The terrorists from UNRWA keep getting exposed, thankfully this one had justice delivered via the IDF

 

UNRWA confirms Hamas Nukhba force commander killed in IDF strike was a staff member

UNRWA confirms that Muhammad Abu Attawi was a staffer and killed on Wednesday, after Israel announced it had targeted him in a strike.

The IDF and Shin Bet said that Attawi, a Hamas Nukhba Force commander who led the killing and kidnapping of Israelis from a roadside bomb shelter near Kibbutz Re’im on October 7, had been employed by UNRWA since July 2022.

According to UNRWA, Attawi’s name was included in a letter the Palestinian refugee agency received from Israel in July that included a list of 100 staff members who were also allegedly members of armed groups, including Hamas.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/unrwa-confirms-hamas-nukhba-force-commander-killed-in-idf-strike-was-a-staff-member/

 

He was there on Oct 7th and responsible for horrific atrocities.

 

 

He is also in a video too graphic to put here where they captured Hersh Goldberg-Polin who had his hand blown of by a Hamas grenade and was later one of the hostages murdered by Hamas in the tunnels.

 

 

[Neeranam]

13 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Yes, there is  hardship, but it is the intended objective of Hamas. The more suffering that can be shown, the greater the pressure can be brought on Israel. The US and EU positions are in large part political posturing to appease their own voter base. The US administration needs the Arab vote in Michigan and has to talk tough on issues like this to show that they care, The reality is that no one really cares about the Gazans. Not the western hand wringers, and certainly not the leadership of Hamas who cavort in their luxury villas in Qatar with their US$11 billion of funds siphoned off from aid donors. 

You sound like you support what Israel are doing? 

"yes, there is hardship" -  you have no idea or in total denial.

 

I listen to groups like Save the Children or Btsalem

 

 

While Israeli military attacks on Gaza intensify, lifesaving food, medicine, medical supplies, fuel, and tents have been systematically blocked from entering for almost a year. 

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/israels-siege-now-blocks-83-food-aid-reaching-gaza-new-data-reveals

 

Manufacturing Famine: Israel is Committing the War Crime of Starvation in the Gaza Strip

 

https://www.btselem.org/publications/202404_manufacturing_famine

[Bkk Brian]

I am sure we'll have a few updates from the terrorist reporters along soon and those attempting to deny the evidence provided by IDF on the below.

 

Six Al-Jazeera reporters are active terrorists in Hamas or Islamic Jihad. Let that sink in. Al-Jazeera cannot be considered a news outlet. It’s a terror support organization.

 

 

The IDF said Wednesday it had uncovered documents in the Gaza Strip that show six active Al Jazeera reporters are operatives in the Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror groups.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-gaza-documents-prove-6-al-jazeera-journalists-are-hamas-pij-operatives/

 

[Neeranam]

Let's not forget Gaza, the situation is critical and Israel must be held accountable. 

 

Israeli human rights groups Gisha, B'Tselem and others say Israel quietly adopted a starve-or-leave policy for northern Gaza — a policy that Israel may be backtracking from now with pressure from the U.S. to increase aid to the area. 

 

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/15/nx-s1-5154065/israel-north-gaza-food-aid-block

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[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Let's not forget Gaza, the situation is critical and Israel must be held accountable. 

 

Israeli human rights groups Gisha, B'Tselem and others say Israel quietly adopted a starve-or-leave policy for northern Gaza — a policy that Israel may be backtracking from now with pressure from the U.S. to increase aid to the area. 

 

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/15/nx-s1-5154065/israel-north-gaza-food-aid-block

Nobody is forgetting Gaza, the animals who started this and are still holding hostages there will never be forgotten.

 

At a recent event, rescued hostage Noa Argamani recalled her thoughts when she was first taken captive by Hamas: “my new life began, if you can call it “life”. I lived in fear every. single. day.” Noa’s life was defined by fear for 246 days. She is a hero for defining it now by resilience. Still, imagine that. Living in pure fear and never knowing when it is going to end. After 383 days, 101 people are still trapped in that reality. We must secure a deal and get them all back to normal, real life, now.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Let's not forget Gaza, the situation is critical and Israel must be held accountable. 

 

Israeli human rights groups Gisha, B'Tselem and others say Israel quietly adopted a starve-or-leave policy for northern Gaza — a policy that Israel may be backtracking from now with pressure from the U.S. to increase aid to the area. 

 

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/15/nx-s1-5154065/israel-north-gaza-food-aid-block

 

   You are supposed to post the headline and the first 3 sentences of any links , not JUST the second sentence .

   You misrepresented the article because its UNRWA that make the claim and we all know all about UNRWA

 

Israel threatens to starve out northern Gaza, U.N. aid agencies say

 

TEL AVIV, Israel — Israel has blocked nearly all food aid from entering northern Gaza for the past two weeks, leaving some 400,000 Palestinians there with no good option, United Nations aid agencies say: Stay and starve, or follow orders to flee to the south, where there’s no guarantee of safety or shelters for the displace .

 

   Says UNRWA

 

 

 

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

You sound like you support what Israel are doing? 

"yes, there is hardship" -  you have no idea or in total denial.

 

I listen to groups like Save the Children or Btsalem

 

 

While Israeli military attacks on Gaza intensify, lifesaving food, medicine, medical supplies, fuel, and tents have been systematically blocked from entering for almost a year. 

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/israels-siege-now-blocks-83-food-aid-reaching-gaza-new-data-reveals

 

Manufacturing Famine: Israel is Committing the War Crime of Starvation in the Gaza Strip

 

https://www.btselem.org/publications/202404_manufacturing_famine

 

You listen to groups only when they support your political position. IT is termed bias confirmation.

You criticize my statement that there is hardship in  Gaza. Ok, so is your position then that it is a Hamas sponsored party? The men get to indulge their sexual violence on Israeli hostages and Yazidi  slave girls trafficked in from Iraq?

 

Aid is being sent in to Gaza. You ignore the fact that Hamas takes what it wants for its personnel and their families. The Gazans get the rest. However, much of the remaining aid is stolen by the Gazans. ask Hamas and the local officials how everything is available on the black market.

 

The gazans can go back to being morbidly obese and sitting around fornicating, popping out children at one of the highest rates in the world. Until then, they can suffer the consequences. It was Gaza that attacked Israel, so boo hoo.

 

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[Yagoda]

31 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

With what looks like a trump victory, israel will have the full support again from the US. Pro palestine protestors terrorizing jewish students on american college campuses will be jailed

Out of tragedy comes the light, the end is nigh for Iran

[Neeranam]

Let's not forget Gaza. Israel continues  blow up residential buildings.

 

• Gaza’s civil defence has warned of mass casualties after the Israeli military blew up a dozen residential buildings in northern Gaza’s Jabalia refugee camp in an attack described as a “major massacre”.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/10/25/live-israel-accused-of-massacre-in-new-jabalia-raid-strikes-hit-beirut

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[transam]

8 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Let's not forget Gaza. Israel continues  blow up residential buildings.

 

• Gaza’s civil defence has warned of mass casualties after the Israeli military blew up a dozen residential buildings in northern Gaza’s Jabalia refugee camp in an attack described as a “major massacre”.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/10/25/live-israel-accused-of-massacre-in-new-jabalia-raid-strikes-hit-beirut

I thought you had moved to protecting Hezbollah now.....?      🤔

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Let's not forget Gaza. Israel continues  blow up residential buildings.

 

• Gaza’s civil defence has warned of mass casualties after the Israeli military blew up a dozen residential buildings in northern Gaza’s Jabalia refugee camp in an attack described as a “major massacre”.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/10/25/live-israel-accused-of-massacre-in-new-jabalia-raid-strikes-hit-beirut

Oh look who's reporting, Hamas........

 

[Neeranam]

As I've said many times, Gaza is finished.

 

The U.N. Conference on Trade and Development said in a report released Monday that if the war ends tomorrow and Gaza returns to the status quo before Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel, it could take 350 years for its battered economy to return to its precarious prewar level.

 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-gaza-reconstruction-un-0ac47ddba7401e102b2bb95e85f3e105

[Neeranam]

Israeli strikes kill 38 people in Gaza’s Khan Younis as they were lining up for bread. 

 

The deaths reported by Gaza health officials were the latest in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis, where people have in recent days lined up for bread outside the city’s only bakery in operation. 

 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-lebanon-hezbollah-iran-news-10-25-2024-0920f63542d158ad5999c481e421da00

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Israeli strikes kill 38 people in Gaza’s Khan Younis as they were lining up for bread. 

 

The deaths reported by Gaza health officials were the latest in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis, where people have in recent days lined up for bread outside the city’s only bakery in operation. 

 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-lebanon-hezbollah-iran-news-10-25-2024-0920f63542d158ad5999c481e421da00

 

   You are lying .

The dead people were NOT queuing up for bread when the died 

 

 

 Its important to point out that the deaths happened in Khan Younis and that    People in Khan Younis have been queueing for bread recently .

   But 38 people who died in this story were NOT queuing for bread when  they died .

   The 38 people dying and people queuing up for bread are two different separate stories which you have joined together .

   Your 1st sentence is an untrue statement 

[coolcarer]

41 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

As I've said many times, Gaza is finished.

 

The U.N. Conference on Trade and Development said in a report released Monday that if the war ends tomorrow and Gaza returns to the status quo before Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel, it could take 350 years for its battered economy to return to its precarious prewar level.

 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-gaza-reconstruction-un-0ac47ddba7401e102b2bb95e85f3e105

When did you say that before?

 

Terrible what Hamas has brought onto Gaza, that’s what happens when you start a war. 
 

It gets to something when even Al-Qaeda tells Hamas to release the hostages and wrap up. 

 

Al-Qaeda Adviser Urges Release Of Israeli Hostages In Gaza

An adviser to Al-Qaeda's likely current leader is calling for Hamas to release its Israeli hostages held in Gaza, according to an American jihadist monitoring organisation, SITE. 

He also hailed Yahya Sinwar, Hamas's leader whom Israel announced a day earlier it had killed. Sinwar was the mastermind of the October 7, 2023 attacks on Israel that triggered the ongoing war in Gaza.
Hamas must now "immediately" return the hostages and their bodies, and "this file must be closed and not opened again, as we know its consequences," according to the statement.

https://www.barrons.com/news/al-qaeda-adviser-urges-release-of-israeli-hostages-in-gaza-d714ca5b

[Bkk Brian]

Iran getting some just rewards right now...

 

The IDF releases an image of Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi commanding the strikes on Iran from the Israeli Air Force's command center, with the chief of the IAF, Maj. Gen. Tomer Bar.

 

[Patong2021]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Iran getting some just rewards right now...

 

The IDF releases an image of Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi commanding the strikes on Iran from the Israeli Air Force's command center, with the chief of the IAF, Maj. Gen. Tomer Bar.

 

 

I don't know what the  purpose of the missile firing was unless it was to demonstrate the IDF ability for pinpoint accuracy against specific military targets, unlike the Hezbollah Iranian missiles which are fired indiscriminately at civilian targets.

Based upon the limited response and restricted targets, it looks like the Gulf States and the USA kept Israel from laying waste to Iran. Turning down the  violence isn't a bad thing.

 

 

 

[Patong2021]

17 hours ago, Neeranam said:

As I've said many times, Gaza is finished.

 

The U.N. Conference on Trade and Development said in a report released Monday that if the war ends tomorrow and Gaza returns to the status quo before Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel, it could take 350 years for its battered economy to return to its precarious prewar level.

 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-gaza-reconstruction-un-0ac47ddba7401e102b2bb95e85f3e105

 

Where did the 350 years come from? It is a absolutely  ridiculous number and looks like it was intended to  justify sending more money to further bloat the billions of Euro Hamas has in  EU, Turkish and Qatari banks. For a land so impoverished, Hamas was able to build a US $500 million real estate portfolio however,  fund a military of thousands equipped with rockets and drones and build a vast web of tunnels under Gaza. Estimates of its annual military budget range from US$100 million to US $350 million.  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-plagued-poverty-hamas-no-shortage-cash-come-rcna121099

 

I doubt that your propaganda is convincing anyone here.  Maybe you can ask the Hamas leadership in Qatar to share  their wealth?  The cumulative net worth of Hamas’s top leaders abroad is estimated at $11 billion, and they do not hide their taste for the high life    https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/hamas-money

 

[Bkk Brian]

33 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

I don't know what the  purpose of the missile firing was unless it was to demonstrate the IDF ability for pinpoint accuracy against specific military targets, unlike the Hezbollah Iranian missiles which are fired indiscriminately at civilian targets.

Based upon the limited response and restricted targets, it looks like the Gulf States and the USA kept Israel from laying waste to Iran. Turning down the  violence isn't a bad thing.

 

Not just ground based missiles, their air force was also in action, planes spotted flying over Jordan to strike Iran. Certainly a proportional response however designed not to provoke another retaliation from Iran.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Where did the 350 years come from? It is a absolutely  ridiculous number and looks like it was intended to  justify sending more money to further bloat the billions of Euro Hamas has in  EU, Turkish and Qatari banks.

 

 

    Bare in mind that it took Japan and German30- 40 years to fully recover and both become modern developed premier World Countries .

    Palestine maybe be talking into consideration that they will keep attacking Israel and Israel will keep destroying Gaza numerous times over the next few hundred years ?

    Thus it will take 350 years to fully recover ?

[3NUMBAS]

https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/2024/10/26/tehran-rocked-by-explosions-as-israel-claims-it-has-launched-attack/
 

israel blasts terhannwith 100 jets

[3NUMBAS]

F35s have been in action over Tehran

[Patong2021]

9 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not just ground based missiles, their air force was also in action, planes spotted flying over Jordan to strike Iran. Certainly a proportional response however designed not to provoke another retaliation from Iran.

 

I don't think Jordan was too happy with that  as it is a violation of its airspace. This can lead to an angry response, and yes I know Jordan is not in a position to stop it, but the Jordanians have been helpful, shooting down Iranian and Hezbollah launched missiles when they violate Jordanian airspace.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

I don't think Jordan was too happy with that  as it is a violation of its airspace. This can lead to an angry response, and yes I know Jordan is not in a position to stop it, but the Jordanians have been helpful, shooting down Iranian and Hezbollah launched missiles when they violate Jordanian airspace.

Not just Jordan, they flew over other countries too. Most people are more interested in the official response from Iran. Jordan will not be happy about its air space being used but like the US I suspect they were pre warned and will use diplomatic channels to issue any concerns. I also suspect they will be very happy that Israels response to Irans attack on Israel with over 180 missiles was measured, proportional and well executed, no civilian lives lost and no obvious escaltion attempt.

 

"To carry out a sophisticated air strike with about a hundred combat and intelligence jets, including flying and refueling above hostile countries, in three Iranian counties, over 1600 km from Israel, and all came back safely, is a historical and unprecedented attack! Regarding the targets, days will tell, among them were very advanced air defence systems, including in Syria and Iraq, ballistic missiles and drones manufactures and more!"

https://x.com/WalidAbuHaya1/status/1850137937469379042

 

 

A successful and restrained response by Israel.