Israel Hamas War the Widening Middle East Conflict

[Bkk Brian]

21 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You dreamer you!

Hamas fighters are more a guerrilla group than an army, so don't need orders from above in the same way as a normal army does. Hamas is highly likely to know that the leaders are likely to die, so the fighters will be autonomous to some extent. After all, their only mission is to kill israelis, wherever and whenever they can .

 

Apparently Hamas has more volunteers than they know what to do with, which is understandable when the Gazans have seen whole families exterminated by the bombing, and they will want revenge on the israelis. Small boys will be dreaming of the day they too can kill israelis. This conflict isn't going to end with a ceasefire, unless they get their own land back for their own state, IMO.

Where are these fighters going to get their weapons and ammo from? The smuggling route philadelphi corridor is now under the control of Israel and the smuggling tunnels being destroyed. Bow and arrows?

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On 8/8/2024 at 9:52 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Where are these fighters going to get their weapons and ammo from? The smuggling route philadelphi corridor is now under the control of Israel and the smuggling tunnels being destroyed. Bow and arrows?

Good question....

 

Where Is Hamas Getting Its Weapons? Increasingly, From Israel.
The very weapons that Israeli forces have used to enforce a blockade of Gaza are now being used against them.

Israeli military and intelligence officials have concluded that a significant number of weapons used by Hamas in the Oct. 7 attacks and in the war in Gaza came from an unlikely source: the Israeli military itself.

For years, analysts have pointed to underground smuggling routes to explain how Hamas stayed so heavily armed despite an Israeli military blockade of the Gaza Strip. But recent intelligence has shown the extent to which Hamas has been able to build many of its rockets and anti-tank weaponry out of the thousands of munitions that failed to detonate when Israel lobbed them into Gaza, according to weapons experts and Israeli and Western intelligence officials. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-weapons-rockets.html

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Good question....

 

Where Is Hamas Getting Its Weapons? Increasingly, From Israel.
The very weapons that Israeli forces have used to enforce a blockade of Gaza are now being used against them.

Israeli military and intelligence officials have concluded that a significant number of weapons used by Hamas in the Oct. 7 attacks and in the war in Gaza came from an unlikely source: the Israeli military itself.

For years, analysts have pointed to underground smuggling routes to explain how Hamas stayed so heavily armed despite an Israeli military blockade of the Gaza Strip. But recent intelligence has shown the extent to which Hamas has been able to build many of its rockets and anti-tank weaponry out of the thousands of munitions that failed to detonate when Israel lobbed them into Gaza, according to weapons experts and Israeli and Western intelligence officials. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-weapons-rockets.html

They won't be getting them from Kamala, you can be thankful for that. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Good question....

 

Where Is Hamas Getting Its Weapons? Increasingly, From Israel.
The very weapons that Israeli forces have used to enforce a blockade of Gaza are now being used against them.

Israeli military and intelligence officials have concluded that a significant number of weapons used by Hamas in the Oct. 7 attacks and in the war in Gaza came from an unlikely source: the Israeli military itself.

For years, analysts have pointed to underground smuggling routes to explain how Hamas stayed so heavily armed despite an Israeli military blockade of the Gaza Strip. But recent intelligence has shown the extent to which Hamas has been able to build many of its rockets and anti-tank weaponry out of the thousands of munitions that failed to detonate when Israel lobbed them into Gaza, according to weapons experts and Israeli and Western intelligence officials. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-weapons-rockets.html

Bows and arrows plus unexploded ordnance....lol Not going to get many rockets made with that when all the weapons facilities to make rockets are destroyed........

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Good question....

 

Where Is Hamas Getting Its Weapons? Increasingly, From Israel.
The very weapons that Israeli forces have used to enforce a blockade of Gaza are now being used against them.

Israeli military and intelligence officials have concluded that a significant number of weapons used by Hamas in the Oct. 7 attacks and in the war in Gaza came from an unlikely source: the Israeli military itself.

For years, analysts have pointed to underground smuggling routes to explain how Hamas stayed so heavily armed despite an Israeli military blockade of the Gaza Strip. But recent intelligence has shown the extent to which Hamas has been able to build many of its rockets and anti-tank weaponry out of the thousands of munitions that failed to detonate when Israel lobbed them into Gaza, according to weapons experts and Israeli and Western intelligence officials. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-weapons-rockets.html

 

   That is fake news / clickbait  .

The story suggests that Israel is giving weapons to Hamas , its only when you read the article (Which many don't, they just read the headline) that you realise the Hamas is making weapons from unexploded Israeli bombs .

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On 8/7/2024 at 8:33 PM, Bkk Brian said:

How did they issue that with a straight face............  ‘may have been involved’

 

 

Government ‘appalled’ that UNRWA staff may have been involved in Israel attacks

A Foreign Office spokesperson said: “It’s appalling that nine members of UNRWA may have been involved in the October 7 atrocities.

“We welcome UNRWA’s decisive action and support their decision to terminate the contracts of these individuals.

“Anyone who participated in the horrific October 7 attacks should face the full force of the law.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/unrwa-government-israel-david-lammy-foreign-office-b2591970.html

 

Wow. 9 employees out of 13,000. As for Israel's allegations about thousands of UNRWA workers being involved, foreign governments including the USA have been waiting in vain for Israel to provide support for those allegations. Which may be why, almost all countries that originally suspended funding for the UNRWA have resumed it.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That is fake news / clickbait  .

The story suggests that Israel is giving weapons to Hamas , its only when you read the article (Which many don't, they just read the headline) that you realise the Hamas is making weapons from unexploded Israeli bombs .

What? The NYT playing fast and loose with the facts to mislead the public? No way! 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Wow. 9 employees out of 13,000. As for Israel's allegations about thousands of UNRWA workers being involved, foreign governments including the USA have been waiting in vain for Israel to provide support for those allegations. Which may be why, almost all countries that originally suspended funding for the UNRWA have resumed it.

 

 

9 proven

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Wow. 9 employees out of 13,000. As for Israel's allegations about thousands of UNRWA workers being involved, foreign governments including the USA have been waiting in vain for Israel to provide support for those allegations. Which may be why, almost all countries that originally suspended funding for the UNRWA have resumed it.

 

 

Wow..............I bet the mum of the murdered hostage didn't say that.

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2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That is fake news / clickbait  .

The story suggests that Israel is giving weapons to Hamas , its only when you read the article (Which many don't, they just read the headline) that you realise the Hamas is making weapons from unexploded Israeli bombs .

Why is it fake news? The headline is actually true. Just not the way you would expect it. Which actually makes it a great headline. And, of course, it's a reply to the rhetorical question quoted belkow posed by bkkbrian re: how can Hamas get weapons if its external supplies are cut off.

 

"Where are these fighters going to get their weapons and ammo from? The smuggling route philadelphi corridor is now under the control of Israel and the smuggling tunnels being destroyed. Bow and arrows?"

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1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Wow..............I bet the mum of the murdered hostage didn't say that.

What do you think the mums of murdered Palestinians are saying? You think evidentiary issues should be decided by enraged and grieving people? That standard would certainly make for interesting jury selections.

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16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Good question....

 

Where Is Hamas Getting Its Weapons? Increasingly, From Israel.
The very weapons that Israeli forces have used to enforce a blockade of Gaza are now being used against them.

Israeli military and intelligence officials have concluded that a significant number of weapons used by Hamas in the Oct. 7 attacks and in the war in Gaza came from an unlikely source: the Israeli military itself.

For years, analysts have pointed to underground smuggling routes to explain how Hamas stayed so heavily armed despite an Israeli military blockade of the Gaza Strip. But recent intelligence has shown the extent to which Hamas has been able to build many of its rockets and anti-tank weaponry out of the thousands of munitions that failed to detonate when Israel lobbed them into Gaza, according to weapons experts and Israeli and Western intelligence officials. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-weapons-rockets.html

Did that cheer you up....?  

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

What do you think the mums of murdered Palestinians are saying? You think evidentiary issues should be decided by enraged and grieving people? That standard would certainly make for interesting jury selections.

Death to Jews! Death to Israel, Death to America! Death to Jews! Death to Israel, Death to America! Death to Jews! Death to Israel, Death to America! Death to Jews! Death to Israel, Death to America! Death to Jews! Death to Israel, Death to America! Death to Jews! Death to Israel, Death to America! 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What do you think the mums of murdered Palestinians are saying? You think evidentiary issues should be decided by enraged and grieving people? That standard would certainly make for interesting jury selections.

Nothing about their bodies being stolen by UNWRA and taken back to Gaza for ransom. 

 

https://x.com/Israel/status/1819325058730410127

 

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4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What do you think the mums of murdered Palestinians are saying? You think evidentiary issues should be decided by enraged and grieving people? That standard would certainly make for interesting jury selections.

"He was daft joining Hamas to look cool".........

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Why is it fake news? The headline is actually true.

 

  Well the headline suggest that Israel is knowingly giving Hamas weapons , supplying Hamas with weapons so the war continues , like Israel is deliberately prolonging the war .

   The headline made be true, but its dishonest ,

Hamas are not getting weapons from Israel , they are making weapons from stolen Israeli military hardware .

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What do you think the mums of murdered Palestinians are saying? 

 

   "If Hamas didht keep the Israeli hostages , then my Child wouldn't be dead* 

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3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Nothing about their bodies being stolen by UNWRA and taken back to Gaza for ransom. 

 

https://x.com/Israel/status/1819325058730410127

 

So, stealing bodies for ransom is worse than death? And there are plenty of other reason for outrage short of death - outrages inflicted on the living that outweigh the gravity of stolen bodies.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

So, stealing bodies for ransom is worse than death? And there are plenty of other reason for outrage short of death - outrages inflicted on the living that outweigh the gravity of stolen bodies.

What are you talking about, the body stolen was dead, murdered by Hamas. 

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[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

This is why it's always a good idea to read past the headlines and focus on the body of the text. The fact is, the only reason you're focusing on the headlines is because the facts the article offers cast considerable doubt on the validity of bkkbrian's rhetorical questions

 

 It would  be an even better idea if the NYT gave a genuine and honest headline instead of giving a fake headline .

   "Hamas make weapons from discarded Israel military equipment"

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7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What are you talking about, the body stolen was dead, murdered by Hamas. 

ANd this is the question posed by an Israeli mother:

You think that's a fair question? That the UNRWA kidnapped the body of her son?

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5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 It would  be an even better idea if the NYT gave a genuine and honest headline instead of giving a fake headline .

   "Hamas make weapons from discarded Israel military equipment"

First off the headline isn't false. In fact, it highlights a surpriding fact about where Hamas is getting some of its weaponry from. I don't think the NY Times should be held responsible for people who refuse to read past the headlines. A misleading headline, which I see a lot of on the internet, would be where an unreliable party is quoted in the headlines but the body of the text refutes it. 

Anyway, what's really going on is that it calls into question the issue of whether Israel's control of the Philadelphi corridor is really going to cut off the weapons supply to Hamas. And that is the issue that you keep on avoiding by focusing on a headline. 

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45 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Bows and arrows plus unexploded ordnance....lol Not going to get many rockets made with that when all the weapons facilities to make rockets are destroyed........

 Citing the future as evidence? 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

First off the headline isn't false. In fact, it highlights a surpriding fact about where Hamas is getting some of its weaponry from. I don't think the NY Times should be held responsible for people who refuse to read past the headlines. A misleading headline, which I see a lot of on the internet, would be where an unreliable party is quoted in the headlines but the body of the text refutes it. 

Anyway, what's really going on is that it calls into question the issue of whether Israel's control of the Philadelphi corridor is really going to cut off the weapons supply to Hamas. And that is the issue that you keep on avoiding by focusing on a headline. 

 

Of course you don't, the left depends on the Times misleading the public. 

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

ANd this is the question posed by an Israeli mother:

You think that's a fair question? That the UNRWA kidnapped the body of her son?

Why do you not? After all she would have been the main method for identifying him being kidnapped in the video by the UNRWA worker. 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 Citing the future as evidence? 

Future of what, you linked to a 6 month old article, you think they still have working lathes to make rockets?

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

First off the headline isn't false. In fact, it highlights a surpriding fact about where Hamas is getting some of its weaponry from. I don't think the NY Times should be held responsible for people who refuse to read past the headlines. A misleading headline, which I see a lot of on the internet, would be where an unreliable party is quoted in the headlines but the body of the text refutes it. 

Anyway, what's really going on is that it calls into question the issue of whether Israel's control of the Philadelphi corridor is really going to cut off the weapons supply to Hamas. And that is the issue that you keep on avoiding by focusing on a headline. 

 

 

   Its a disingenuous headline it isn't true or correct .

Well the words are actually true, but is gives a false narrative .

   Headline and story claims that Israel are giving Hamas weapons , if you read the whole story to the end, it then states the truth .

   You posted the story to give the false impression that Israel are providing weapons for Hamas "Its all the Jews fault. they are providing the weapons for the war, just like they did in WW2" 

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1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why do you not? After all she would have been the main method for identifying him being kidnapped in the video by the UNRWA worker. 

Because for it to be a valid question you would need some evidence that the UNRWA was somehow involved in the action. Is there any evidence that this theft of a body was officially sanctioned by the UNRWA and just the act of someone who happened to be an employee?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, placeholder said:

Because for it to be a valid question you would need some evidence that the UNRWA was somehow involved in the action. Is there any evidence that this theft of a body was officially sanctioned by the UNRWA and just the act of someone who happened to be an employee?

Its a valid question to the mum.

 

Government ‘appalled’ that UNRWA staff may have been involved in Israel attacks

A Foreign Office spokesperson said: “It’s appalling that nine members of UNRWA may have been involved in the October 7 atrocities.

“We welcome UNRWA’s decisive action and support their decision to terminate the contracts of these individuals.

“Anyone who participated in the horrific October 7 attacks should face the full force of the law.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/unrwa-government-israel-david-lammy-foreign-office-b2591970.html