Donna Jones, the police and crime commissioner for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, has ignited a heated debate by suggesting that "mass uncontrolled immigration" is a significant factor behind the recent riots spreading across the UK. Jones described the violent disturbances as akin to a “rebellion to illegal immigration.” She stressed the importance of understanding the perspectives of those who attend rallies, even if they don’t engage in disorder.

 

 

In a statement, Jones elaborated on her viewpoint, stating, “I’ve spoken to people from both sides of the spectrum and the only way to stem the tide of violent disorder is to acknowledge what is causing it. Whilst the devastating attacks in Southport on Tuesday were a catalyst, the commonality amongst the protest groups appears to be focused on three key areas: the desire to protect Britain’s sovereignty; the need to uphold British values, and, in order to do this, stop illegal immigration.”

 

Over the past week, cities including Hull, Leeds, Liverpool, Bristol, Manchester, Stoke-on-Trent, Blackpool, and Belfast have witnessed violent confrontations resulting in more than 90 arrests. Police officers have come under attack from bricks, bottles, and flares, forcing them to draw their batons. The immediate catalyst for these riots was the fatal stabbing of three young girls in Southport.

 

Jones’s statement appeared to provide a rationale for some of the activities, sparking significant backlash. Nazir Afzal, a former chief prosecutor, called her comments “totally unacceptable” and accused her of appearing to justify rioting and criminality. Charlotte Nichols, the Labour MP for Warrington North, criticized Jones’s remarks, saying, “First and foremost, it demeans the office that she holds. We can accept that there is anger in parts of the community about immigration but that doesn’t mean we legitimise thuggery.

 

Considering the number of police officers who have been injured, I believe her position is untenable. She should resign, and if not, she should be sacked.” Jones, who claims to be the UK’s most senior police commissioner and also chairs the Association of Police and Crime Commissioners, defended her position. Following the criticism, she released another statement praising the police and condemning those acting outside the law. She wrote on the official website of the commissioner, “I stand by my statement issued [Saturday] where I called for calm, and for the country to work together to stop this mindless, criminal behavior.

 

I fully support the police’s response to stem the growth of these riots and those acting outside of the law should expect to feel the full force of it. The violence we have seen has endangered our communities and infected lawful protest on a much broader issue. As a country this issue is something we should seek to understand without letting it divide us. I am confident there will be a time and place for that discussion in due course.”

 

The riots, which continued on Sunday in Middlesbrough, Bolton, and Rotherham where rioters attacked a hotel housing migrants, have further intensified the national debate on immigration and public safety. Jones’s comments reflect a broader concern about the impact of immigration on British society and the challenges faced by law enforcement. She argues that arresting rioters is "treating the symptom and not the cause" and calls for a deeper examination of the issues driving the unrest.

 

However, critics argue that her remarks risk legitimizing violence and undermining the efforts of the police. Charlotte Nichols emphasized that political figures should focus on calming the situation rather than inflaming it, particularly when tensions are already high. She said, “At a time when tensions are running high, political figures should be trying to dial down the situation rather than inflaming it. Instead of undermining the police, they should let our valued police force do what they do best rather than creating unnecessary work for them when they are already overwhelmed trying to do their job with one hand behind their back.”

 

The situation underscores the complexity of addressing public concerns about immigration while maintaining social order and protecting democratic values. Jones’s insistence on the need to understand the root causes of the unrest highlights the ongoing challenge for policymakers and public officials. As the country grapples with these issues, it is clear that the conversation about immigration and its impact on society will continue to be a contentious and divisive topic. The challenge will be to navigate these complex dynamics in a way that promotes understanding and cohesion without condoning or encouraging unlawful behavior.

 

As the UK continues to deal with the fallout from the recent riots, the debate sparked by Donna Jones's comments serves as a reminder of the deep divisions within society regarding immigration and public safety. The need for a balanced approach that addresses the concerns of all communities while upholding the rule of law and protecting public safety is more critical than ever. The actions and statements of public officials will play a crucial role in shaping the national discourse and determining the path forward in these challenging times.

 

Credit: Daily Telegraph  2024-08-06

 

 

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1 hour ago, Social Media said:

Donna Jones's comments serves as a reminder of the deep divisions within society regarding immigration and public safety. 

There is no deep division in society.

The government wants the immigrants, and the people don't want them.

 

Comrade Starmer & his band of loony lefties - While Rome Burns...

 

No excuse for looting or violence, but normal brits have had enough! Also Irish feel same in Eire, been simmering for years

 

Half the Police are at odds with it all but have to follow orders... They simply will nit have the resources to quell across the Nation... Troops on the streets if UK?? Way to Go Labour... Starmer is living in another dimension, he has no idea of what the person in the street feels, nore do they care

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

There is no deep division in society.

The government wants the immigrants, and the people don't want them.

 

Society is worried and in despair, there is more than immigration in question here, people are frustrated and the myriad of problems facing the UK seem unsolvable. Riots on this scale throughout the UK is extremely rare, unlike the French British people don't riot, social cohesion is being eroded and politicians have no answer.

The government don't want refugees but are bound by the UN charter as are all western nations, the UK is not alone with this problem but riots of this magnitude aren't happening elsewhere which points to more deep seated problems, drastically falling living standards could be one.

what's the rationale in allowing mass illegal immigration? I don't understand. meanwhile, Britons are an official minority in London and exponentially shrinking with uneven birth rates

She's correct of course.

 

But the Liberals don't want to have a conversation about it, they just want to keep calling everyone who disagrees with them "far right".

You now have 2 tier policing in England,the police actually ran away from a Muslim protest but physically attacked the working class.Sky news van was attacked by a knife welding Muslim while the police just stood by,a 73 year old woman was man handled by 6 police officers in London and then arrested.The establishment have not got a clue and starmer takes the knee

28 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

She's correct of course.

 

But the Liberals don't want to have a conversation about it, they just want to keep calling everyone who disagrees with them "far right".

Nah, she’s a Tory political appointee to the police Commission who hasn’t come to terms with the undeniable fact that it was her Tory Government that lost control of the UK’s borders and left over 100,000 immigrants living at tax payer expense as her Tory Government failed to clear their asylum claims.

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, DaveBart said:

You now have 2 tier policing in England,the police actually ran away from a Muslim protest but physically attacked the working class.Sky news van was attacked by a knife welding Muslim while the police just stood by,a 73 year old woman was man handled by 6 police officers in London and then arrested.The establishment have not got a clue and starmer takes the knee

There is one tier of law.

 

Right now rightwing thugs, who are not ‘the working class’ are on the receiving end.

 

Do crime, do the time.

25 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Do crime, do the time.

 

Unless you're Pro Palestine or BLM of course.

Britain now unrecognizable from the country in which I was happily raised during the 1940s and 1950s. 

55 minutes ago, DaveBart said:

You now have 2 tier policing in England,the police actually ran away from a Muslim protest but physically attacked the working class.Sky news van was attacked by a knife welding Muslim while the police just stood by,a 73 year old woman was man handled by 6 police officers in London and then arrested.The establishment have not got a clue and starmer takes the knee

Err, not quite right - the Sky news reporter was at the Birmingham MLM (Muslim lives matter) show of force - Complete lawlessness, rioting, attacking properties, vehicles with any Whites in them - Not 1 Copper (Police) insight, Not one!! Free to Rampage'

 

Sky cut off the Feed pronto as it does not fit the MSM agenda... Plenty of vids of this ystday on YT The one where the White landlord if a pub is stupid enough to attempt to Reason with them... They absolutely Kicked the $ h*t out of him, and I mean really battered the poor bloke trying to stop them wreaking his business... Which they then smashed in... Not one of Eest Midlands finest was there

 

2 Tier Policing... Fact

58 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There is one tier of law.

 

Right now rightwing thugs, who are not ‘the working class’ are on the receiving end.

 

Do crime, do the time.

Thats not true at all - normal law abiding people are also Kopping fir the long arm of Stazi Starmers Stormtroopers...

2 minutes ago, Lokie said:

Thats not true at all - normal law abiding people are also Kopping fir the long arm of Stazi Starmers Stormtroopers...

You can give us a link to that?

38 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Unless you're Pro Palestine or BLM of course.

That was during the time of the last Tory Government Jonny.

 

They’re no long mismanaging the country.

24 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Britain now unrecognizable from the country in which I was happily raised during the 1940s and 1950s. 

The same can be said about Canada.Hundreds of thousands of dot Indians have been allowed into Canada under shady education visas.

They've cleaned out the food banks and now pooping on the streets is becoming more and more common.(turban clad)

I left in 2004 and no way I'm ever going back.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

You can give us a link to that?

You can find plenty!! 

 

How about; 74 year old Grandmother with Heart condition arrested (with Handcuffs) by four Met Police Officers in Riot gear... She was standing on the pavement... Even MSM broadcast that... 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That was during the time of the last Tory Government Jonny.

 

They’re no long mismanaging the country.

 

Sadiq Khan controls the Met Police.

 

Not the Tories.

4 hours ago, Lokie said:

Comrade Starmer & his band of loony lefties - While Rome Burns...

 

No excuse for looting or violence, but normal brits have had enough! Also Irish feel same in Eire, been simmering for years

 

Half the Police are at odds with it all but have to follow orders... They simply will nit have the resources to quell across the Nation... Troops on the streets if UK?? Way to Go Labour... Starmer is living in another dimension, he has no idea of what the person in the street feels, nore do they care

I see this bs repeated all over the forums. The Tories were in for over 10 years. Labour for 10 weeks. And suddenly it's all Labour's fault. What utter rubbish.

2 minutes ago, jaideedave said:

The same can be said about Canada.Hundreds of thousands of dot Indians have been allowed into Canada under shady education visas.

They've cleaned out the food banks and now pooping on the streets is becoming more and more common.(turban clad)

I left in 2004 and no way I'm ever going back.

TBH is not really the Indian peoples... In UK is mainly Pakistani's & Bangladeshi's (you can guess why?) not Hindu's, Sikh's they british as any whites with our respect to british values

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Sadiq Khan controls the Met Police.

 

Not the Tories.

But not immigration. The UK is impossible to seal off from the outside world. And I thought Brexit was supposed to stop all this illegal immigration. Another big fat Johnson lie.

2 minutes ago, bradiston said:

I see this bs repeated all over the forums. The Tories were in for over 10 years. Labour for 10 weeks. And suddenly it's all Labour's fault. What utter rubbish.

Agree with the statement that is correct... Last line not, Starmers Speech was the Bellows that blew up the trouble across UK... Out of touch at the street level

4 minutes ago, bradiston said:

But not immigration. The UK is impossible to seal off from the outside world. And I thought Brexit was supposed to stop all this illegal immigration. Another big fat Johnson lie.

 

We were talking about 2 tiered policing. Do try to keep up - I'm not a primary school teacher. 

 

Brexit was never about illegal immigration. That was always the job of the UK government. The Tories failed and were voted out, that's how it is supposed to work. Try voting out the EU technocrats. 

8 minutes ago, Lokie said:

Agree with the statement that is correct... Last line not, Starmers Speech was the Bellows that blew up the trouble across UK... Out of touch at the street level

 

Exactly. Starmer stoked this all up with the incredibly ill judged speech.

 

Very poor judgement with serious consequences. 

 

Read the room, Keir.

 

 

 

Looks like a few posters , have forgot who Tony Blair was.  

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

Britain now unrecognizable from the country in which I was happily raised during the 1940s and 1950s. 

I was a Yank kid but I was raised there in the 50s.  Yeah - agree with you.  Welcome to The Great Replacement.

7 hours ago, Social Media said:

Nazir Afzal, a former chief prosecutor, called her comments “totally unacceptable” and accused her of appearing to justify rioting and criminality.

 

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Personal life. Afzal has been married three times, which he describes humorously as "multifaith engagement": "First to an Irish Catholic, then to an Indian Hindu and then to a British Sikh." He has one daughter and three sons and is a practising Muslim.

 

this is exactly the future of the west. as these so called migrants grow older they will start to take up positions in public office and as a result, the whole landscape of the west is going to change. for the better? 

maybe asylum seekers should be granted temporary asylum, and not citizenship and returned to their countries of origin when the time comes. i dont think most asylum seekers really have any intention of returning home unless they are tourists with a western passport

 

 

You absolutely have to insist on assimilation and you have to make a staged approach to asylum based on an immigrants ability to prove that they're assimilating into society. 

 

I advocate that any Muslim family with a teenage daughter prove that she's participated in a bikini contest in public by the age of 16 and that their teenage sons have to prove they have no affiliation whatsoever with local Madrasas, or Mullahs preaching extremism.

 

You want to live here, show us, and demonstrate that you will not remain culturally isolated, and will make an effort to move into the 21st century. If not, there shall be immediate consequences.

 

1 hour ago, Lokie said:

Agree with the statement that is correct... Last line not, Starmers Speech was the Bellows that blew up the trouble across UK... Out of touch at the street level

Honestly, which MPs are "in touch with the street?"  A handful of back-benchers like Galloway who are ignored or procedurally shut down when they speak, and then called "A Danger To UK Democracy" by those elitists like Sunak, Cameron, Blair and the other pig-swill (I'm being nice) who take to their podiums to urinate on the democratic will of the people when they vote for those MP who actually represent the will of those on the streets.

Then the street explodes (and you expected what?)  And the elitist's response is to double-down on totalitarianism, to send out the militarized goon-squads to bust the heads of the most peaceful protestors (easiest prey), and then to lambast anyone who attempts to see the world through the eyes of the people on the street as they look down their Oxford and Cambridge educated noses and scoff at the commoners in their high-brow nasally City of London accents which personally makes me want to puke every time I hear them.

 

It's time for serious change as virtually all "leaders" are out of touch with those whom they are supposed to represent when in actuality they only represent the monied interests of the wealthy, the aristocracies, and the billionaire-classes...and the commoners on the street be damned.

Just making an observation based on the study of history, but ignore the will of the street long enough and then changes happen in a very undemocratic manner.  And the irony being that to get back to the ideals of a democracy or a republic, the rot-at-the-top needs to be cut away and the system rebooted from the ground up. Considering that those who make the lives of those on the street a miserable exercise in austerity, it's just a matter of time before history repeats itself and begins to "rhyme."

"History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes."
- Attributed to Mark Twain

 

 

1 hour ago, Lokie said:

You can find plenty!! 

 

How about; 74 year old Grandmother with Heart condition arrested (with Handcuffs) by four Met Police Officers in Riot gear... She was standing on the pavement... Even MSM broadcast that... 

 

 

 

If you provide ‘a link’ we can all see the full story, not your interpretation.