Poll: Do you want Ukraine to WIN in the Russia-Ukraine war (it's a binary choice)

[Jingthing]

The title says it all. 

Either you want Ukraine to win, or you want Russia to win.

Yet the disgraced former US president Trump refused to say yes.

I appreciate his honesty.

For anyone that didn't know where he stands before, they should by now.

 

 

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[mfd101]

Unfortunately, because of 'Western' (specifically US & German) palpitations, it looks like it's heading towards compromise or a Korean standstill.

 

With which noone will be happy. And both sides will be preparing for the second round in 3 or 4 years.

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[novacova]

You mean by winning the war thousands more will need to die. How about stop funding the war and save lives…seek peace not war, or did you forget that somewhere along the way?

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Unfortunately, because of 'Western' (specifically US & German) palpitations, it looks like it's heading towards compromise or a Korean standstill.

 

With which noone will be happy. And both sides will be preparing for the second round in 3 or 4 years.

Wait for the election results before you jump to that conclusion. 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, novacova said:

You mean by winning the war thousands more will need to die. How about stop funding the war and save lives…seek peace not war, or did you forget that somewhere along the way?

You would say that to Hitler?

You're deluded if you think Putin wants peace and can be fairly negotiated with. He wants to win. He only wants surrender. 

It's a binary choice.

You support his  goals or the goals of Ukraine and their western supporters. 

 

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[Andrew Dwyer]

If you want to start another anti Trump topic just start one, no need to mask it with the Russia/Ukraine poll .

[novacova]

Just now, Jingthing said:

You would say that to Hitler?

Why are you confusing the difference? And why is Hitler always the go-to-abject where there’s no resemblance?

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, novacova said:

Why are you confusing the difference? And why is Hitler always the go-to-abject where there’s no resemblance?

The similarities are many is why. You really don't see that?!?

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

If you want to start another anti Trump topic just start one, no need to mask it with the Russia/Ukraine poll .

No, it's a war topic. 

[Jingthing]

The thoroughly unlikeable JD Vance recently gave away Trump's so called peace plan.

It's a total surrender!

Allow Russia to keep all occupied lands.

Have Ukraine withdraw from Russian land.

Have a so called demilitarized zone.

Have Ukraine pledge to not seek NATO or EU membership.

 

If anyone sees that as a fair peace compromise, you're totally deluded.

Putin could paint that as a massive victory and he'd be right.

 

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[Jingthing]

What kind of US president can't answer YES to that question?

A US president who is Putin's poodle. A US president who still feels butt hurt that Zelinsky wouldn't agree to assert dirt against Biden to win the last election (and was later impeached for that).

For sleaze ball arguably traitorous Trump, everything is transactional, and everything is about his personal grievances.

It's shocking that he still has a decent chance to take power again. 

The future of this war, the future of Ukraine continuing as a sovereign nation, possibly the future of the world depends on the upcoming US election.

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[CANSIAM]

The USA desperately needs the Republican Party back again WITHOUT Trump, and it's coming soon.....

[novacova]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The similarities are many is why. You really don't see that?!?

Ok then, by definition of your imagination all aggression of war is a resemblance of Hitler and both sides of all wars must be Hitler like because wars usually don’t suddenly occur due to the tit-for-tat smoldering nature of wars that slowly escalate such as what’s going on in the east bloc. Who started this war? It depends on how far back you’re willing to go and who you choose to blame. Again, stop antagonizing and foolishly throwing money at the war and things will cool down, because if not this thing has the propensity to kill millions. Is that really worth saving a pseudo “democracy”?

[Jingthing]

I will add something that should be obvious but probably isn't to many.

 

WANTING Ukraine to win isn't the same thing as saying Ukraine WILL win.

 

The west has bought into Putin's nuclear threat fear mongering and has placed way too many restraints on what they will allow Ukraine to actually do.

 

So the west has wanted to Ukraine to win but not made it possible out of fear of Ukraine actually winning. 

As more and more of Russian's so called red lines are crosssed, it has become more clear that Putin's threats are all bluff.

 

For Ukraine to actually win, they will need  much more aid from the west and also the end of unreasonable restraints.

 

Iran's recent missile aid to Russia is turning the tide.

 

But the US election is paramount.

 

 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

The USA desperately needs the Republican Party back again WITHOUT Trump, and it's coming soon.....

How is that happening?!?

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, novacova said:

Ok then, by definition of your imagination all aggression of war is a resemblance of Hitler and both sides of all wars must be Hitler like because wars usually don’t suddenly occur due to the tit-for-tat smoldering nature of wars that slowly escalate such as what’s going on in the east bloc. Who started this war? It depends on how far back you’re willing to go and who you choose to blame. Again, stop antagonizing and foolishly throwing money at the war and things will cool down, because if not this thing has the propensity to kill millions. Is that really worth saving a pseudo “democracy”?

Moronic straw man argument not worth seriously responding to.

 

 

Russia started the war in 2014. 

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[Jingthing]

As far as a much fairer peace deal, sadly Ukraine might need to do give up lands permanently to Russia but for that to happen they need something very big in return -- EU and NATO membership. 

[impulse]

Ukraine has already lost the war.  There is no way they can win back the Donbass and Crimea in a land war without drawing in NATO, and that means WW3.

 

I want the dying to stop and the spending turned from futile fighting and dying, to reconstruction.  The sooner the better.

 

I don't celebrate Russia's win.  But it's the reality on the ground.

[CANSIAM]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

How is that happening?!?

President Harris in November, Trump in courtrooms in 2025, and there are many reasonable educated Republican candidates for future elections....... 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

President Harris in November, Trump in courtrooms in 2025, and there are many reasonable educated Republican candidates for future elections....... 

So you're talking more like eight years from now. Good luck. 

I would welcome a more normal republican party but I think it's going to be harder than you think to de-maga-ize. It's bigger than Trump. 

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[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, impulse said:

Ukraine has already lost the war.  There is no way they can win back the Donbass and Crimea in a land war without drawing in NATO, and that means WW3.

 

I want the dying to stop and the spending turned from futile fighting and dying, to reconstruction.  The sooner the better.

 

I don't celebrate Russia's win.  But it's the reality on the ground.

No, it's not over.

It's looking like Ukraine is getting permission to use long range missiles within Russia soon.

 

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[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

President Harris in November, Trump in courtrooms in 2025, and there are many reasonable educated Republican candidates for future elections....... 

If Trump is elected, and something Happens to Trump, Vance is going to be the president, just think about that for a moment!

[Jingthing]

Just now, Hummin said:

If Trump is elected, and something Happens to Trump, Vance is going to be the president, just think about that for a moment!

I'd rather not but that's very true. What a disaster that would be. 

[CANSIAM]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

So you're talking more like eight years from now. Good luck. 

I'm talkin the USA is better without that clown that top US military commanders call a disgrace

[CANSIAM]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

If Trump is elected, and something Happens to Trump, Vance is going to be the president, just think about that for a moment!

Scary thought......

[NoDisplayName]

Well, of course I want Russia to succeed.

Ethnic cleansing is bad.

[impulse]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No, it's not over.

 

Quick question...  How long do you figure Israel will last if the US military is 110% consumed in a Euro war, and there's no $$$ to bribe, cajole and threaten Israel's Muslim neighbors to play nice?

 

[novacova]

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Moronic straw man argument not worth seriously responding to.

And yet you respond on a moronic thread that someone here started.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, NoDisplayName said:

Well, of course I want Russia to succeed.

Ethnic cleansing is bad.

There's always some jokers on the internets.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, novacova said:

And yet you respond on a moronic thread that someone here started.

Bizarre post. I started the thread.