Trump self pardon support

[earlinclaifornia]

Are you for or against him choosing to pardon all Federal charges against him?

[RSD1]

How bizarre. Another cult member.
 

He's a convicted criminal felon. In what fantasy world of yours is he gonna be able to pardon himself?

[HappyExpat57]

6 minutes ago, RSD1 said:

How bizarre. Another cult member.
 

He's a convicted criminal felon. In what fantasy world of yours is he gonna be able to pardon himself?

He floated the question around to his staff  during his one and only term. AFAIK the question was never answered conclusively.

 

Question - why would any INNOCENT person ever ask if he could pardon himself unless he knew he was guilty of something?

[gargamon]

He couldn't even if he wins. They're state charges that the president can't pardon.

[earlinclaifornia]

17 minutes ago, gargamon said:

He couldn't even if he wins. They're state charges that the president can't pardon.

Read the part of the question that states Federal Charges.

[Evil Penevil]

15 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Are you for or against him choosing to pardon all Federal charges against him?

The question doesn't make sense.  Trump hasn't been convicted of Federal charges and certainly won't be before the 2024 Presidential election.  If he wins, there won't be any Federal convictions  of which to pardon himself.  If he loses, he won't have the power to pardon anyone.  

 

Under the U.S. Constitution, a sitting President cannot pardon himself of state convictions.  Legal scholars are divided on whether the Constitution allows a President to pardon himself of Federal convictions.  There has never been any precedent and the U.S.  Supreme would need to make a ruling.   https://www.axios.com/2024/01/09/trump-pardon-felony-president

[earlinclaifornia]

10 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

The question doesn't make sense.  Trump hasn't been convicted of Federal charges and certainly won't be before the 2024 Presidential election.  If he wins, there won't be any Federal convictions  of which to pardon himself.  If he loses, he won't have the power to pardon anyone.  

 

Under the U.S. Constitution, a sitting President cannot pardon himself of state convictions.  Legal scholars are divided on whether the Constitution allows a President to pardon himself of Federal convictions.  There has never been any precedent and the U.S.  Supreme would need to make a ruling.   https://www.axios.com/2024/01/09/trump-pardon-felony-president

Everything comes to those that are patient 

[herfiehandbag]

Surely it is academic (and don't call me Shirley!).

 

Federal felony charges are very unlikely to come to trial before November 5th, and if they do certainly not to the stage of a conviction. If Trump wins then all the Federal charges will be dropped and various "deranged", "crooked" "witch hunters" will be summarily dismissed, and likely find themselves in one of his camps. 

 

Whilst he cannot pardon himself for state felony charges, and the existing convictions, states will find themselves under irresistible pressure to drop charges, and appeals on convictions will be fast tracked to the Supreme Court, which will, if Trump is President, swiftly dismiss the convictions. I think we can say that within a month of his inauguration his legal problems regarding felonies will go away, his financial penalties ordered by state courts will go the same way. No jail time, no financial sanctions, that is after all why he is running.

 

If he loses on November 5th, then off he waddles to jail, and his business empire crashes down.

 

Highest of high stakes.

 

Perhaps in a couple of centuries, if I can borrow from Percy Shelley's sonnet "Ozymandias"

 

"I met a traveller from Mount Rushmore,

Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone

Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,

Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,

And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, gaze on a Double Big Mac carved from stone.

And on the pedestal, these words appear:

My name is Trump, President of Presidents"

Edited September 17 by herfiehandbag
To try and make my parody fit an iambic Pentameter!

[Lacessit]

On 9/16/2024 at 6:35 AM, HappyExpat57 said:

He floated the question around to his staff  during his one and only term. AFAIK the question was never answered conclusively.

 

Question - why would any INNOCENT person ever ask if he could pardon himself unless he knew he was guilty of something?

Why would anyone say only mobsters take the Fifth, then use it 400 times in depositions?