This should be the shortest topic ever, because I am inviting the Trumpers to show proof that the 2020 election was stolen (implying that the 2024 election could be stolen, as well).

 

I have served as a poll watcher, and have watched the votes being counted.

 

I suspect that the foreign Trump supporters are clueless about election procedures, maybe the domestic variety, too.

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

proof that the 2020 election was stolen

Any Proof has long since been eradicated   

your "fact checkers" will no doubt opine that there was never any proof  without providing "proof" of no proof 😋

 

6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I have served as a poll watcher,

Did you watch the mail in ballots  the automated counting machines that were ( and still are) open to hacking  let alone not accepting slightly out out spec paper   or the printers not able to print the paper in the first place  the illegal or dead voters ???

unexplained power cuts ,flooding and Covid outbreaks at polling stations etc etc etc...

13 minutes ago, johng said:

Any Proof has long since been eradicated   

your "fact checkers" will no doubt opine that there was never any proof  without providing "proof" of no proof 😋

 

Did you watch the mail in ballots  the automated counting machines that were ( and still are) open to hacking  let alone not accepting slightly out out spec paper   or the printers not able to print the paper in the first place  the illegal or dead voters ???

unexplained power cuts ,flooding and Covid outbreaks at polling stations etc etc etc...

Tell me how mail in ballots were fraudulent.

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Tell me how mail in ballots were fraudulent.

 You tell me  you're the expert "poll watcher"

2 minutes ago, johng said:

 You tell me  you're the expert "poll watcher"

It's impossible to fraudulently submit mass numbers of mail in ballots, such as "pre printed ballots". Anyone who believes in fake mail in ballots doesn't understand elections.

You may as well have asked for evidence that The Gulf of Tonkin was a lie between1964 when it happened and 1971 when The Pentagon Papers leaked out. 

 

We won't know the truth for years, if ever.  Maybe during Trump's next term...  Otherwise it'll be after Pelosi, Clinton(s), Obama and the rest shuffle off their mortal coils, or the statutes of limitations expire.

 

Hillary says the Russkies stole 2016, and she'd never lie.  And Wray just came out and said the Russkies have been meddling for years and years.  So I'm really questioning the narrative that 2000 was the most fair and secure election in the history of elections.

 

Meantime, 40% of the voters don't trust the results, including millions of Dems.

  

 

1 hour ago, impulse said:

You may as well have asked for evidence that The Gulf of Tonkin was a lie between1964 when it happened and 1971 when The Pentagon Papers leaked out. 

 

We won't know the truth for years, if ever.  Maybe during Trump's next term...  Otherwise it'll be after Pelosi, Clinton(s), Obama and the rest shuffle off their mortal coils, or the statutes of limitations expire.

 

Hillary says the Russkies stole 2016, and she'd never lie.  And Wray just came out and said the Russkies have been meddling for years and years.  So I'm really questioning the narrative that 2000 was the most fair and secure election in the history of elections.

 

Meantime, 40% of the voters don't trust the results, including millions of Dems.

  

 

In other words, you have no proof and you don't know how elections are conducted.

As I suggested in the OP, this topic shouldn't be very long, as the Trumpers have zero proof the 2020 election was stolen.

When all else fails,  revive a debunked conspiracy claim.

I know that the OP isn't really interested.  If he was, I'd suggest watching the following:

 

Absolute Proof

Rigged

2000 Mules

Stop the Steal

 

Then, read the Texas vs PA (et al) lawsuit from December, 2020, along with the Amicus briefs signed by 126 congressmen (under threat of perjury) and 18 states that there were enough irregularities to warrant holding off certifying the results until the issues were resolved in court.  

 

Or, you can continue to say that there's no evidence.  Up to you.

 

 

Ask Mile Pillow, poor bloke almost went bankrupt trying to prove there was election fraud.

 

Weren't the polls pretty much the same as the election results? Or perhaps they were 'rigged' too.

 

Trump always claims everything is rigged against him.

 

This study is from 2021 and found only 475 potential cases of voter fraud out of 25 million.

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/exhaustive-fact-check-finds-little-evidence-of-voter-fraud-but-2020s-big-lie-lives-on

The media says it was 100% fair, so it's 100% fair. 

 

There was a lot of dirty tricks involved pre voting last time he ran. Considering the tacticts used this time to prevent his running never mind election i would give him the benefit of the doubt and agree with him. 

NO! He was not and hopefully will not be president again EVER!

Not only was he not robbed in 2020 but he was humiliated by Biden and he lost by more than 7 million popular votes. People are so tired and so disappointed after 4 years of his tiresome presidency they were thrilled to get a breath of fresh air. 

 

On top of that there's much evidence to point toward him having stolen the 2016 election, as the voting base in many states were highly manipulated, and the GOP engaged in major crimes to get him elected. 

 

Everything about the man is illegitimate. Lock him up. 

Was hillary robbed in 2016 by comers decision to publicly reopen a case against her so close to the election 🤔 

Afterwards I'm sure he regrets tipping the scales realising the sleazeball he let in

You sound like you get all your information from ABC, CNN, and MSDNC. You probably watch The View and Morning Joe with passion and explosive joy. Well, ballot harvesting fraud was discovered many times, but what can you do with the corrupt Merrick Garland running the justice show? The cheating has already started such as in Nevada where the Dem-Marxists are fighting subpoenas to clean the voting lists of about one million voters who are dead or illegal immigrants or double registered. Many expats here should learn to think for themselves rather that watch Morning Joe.

 

 

 

 

Just read an article saying this new law (rule?) in some states (counties?), requiring a hand count to be done to confirm the machine count is simply laying the ground to allow legal disputes when Trump loses.

 

When hand counts are done there are invariably mistakes made by the human counters yet the machine counts have been totally accurate everytime.

 

Who was whining on the other say about Trump and the Republicans not being a threat to democracy?????

 

 

15 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

This should be the shortest topic ever, because I am inviting the Trumpers to show proof that the 2020 election was stolen (implying that the 2024 election could be stolen, as well).

 

I have served as a poll watcher, and have watched the votes being counted.

 

I suspect that the foreign Trump supporters are clueless about election procedures, maybe the domestic variety, too.

 

Let me break it down succinctly, finally, and once and for all, where no further questions or opinions have any value.  The bozo himself did everything legally he could to overturn his valid election loss by filing over 60 cases in any court in the land that would hear it.  ALL OF THEM were thrown out for no merit, and some with no standing.  In short, it was up to HIM to provide the proof, and he failed to provide ANY.  Read this part correctly:  ZERO EVIDENCE EXISTS FOR ACCURACY IN HIS ASSERTION.  The issue is closed, and will forever be closed as of the last day of the final court case that was ejected for lack of evidence/standing.  

 

He then intentionallly had a speech and a grouping on January 6th, fully aware of the DATE, TIMING, and LOCATION, where he implored anyone and everyone to come because, in his words, "it will be wild!"  The point was for anyone and everyone to physically stop the certification of the election he knew he validly LOST.  He knows from past experience how easy it is to manipulate minions; ask Michael Cohen to explain to you how and why he was completely controlled by the bozo in his own head. 

 

The failure to stop the counting was his last possible action, and he is now indicted for attempting to overthrow the country based on his illegal thoughts and persistently illegal behavior.  HE FAILED TWICE.  

You probably also believe Morning Joe's version of January 6th. The truth came out yesterday that proves General Millie was behind the refusal to obey Trump's order to protect the Capitol with 10,000 troops or National Guard. Investigate the truth yourself and ignore the Dem-Marxist state media.

Yeah, right before he left the office for about a week he asked for donations so yeah he actually robbed people hundreds of millions of dollars

Yes, definitely. The election was stolen from him. He is absolutely right!

 

 

15 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

This should be the shortest topic ever, because I am inviting the Trumpers to show proof that the 2020 election was stolen (implying that the 2024 election could be stolen, as well).

 

I have served as a poll watcher, and have watched the votes being counted.

 

I suspect that the foreign Trump supporters are clueless about election procedures, maybe the domestic variety, too.

Of course I have no proof, whatsoever, that the 2020 election was stolen. Watching on TV, however, we saw the sudden arrival of all those postal votes in black plastic bags in the dead of night. Entirely legitimate, no doubt, but it looked very odd.

Hello,

 

A lot of conspiracy and fake bull<deleted> here !! Yeah !!! Extremeley unlikely 61 Court appeals filed by the Trump Adminastartion across our Nation only winning one minor ballet issue and nearly impossible to hide any wrong doing !! Thats not only fact and statictally Impossible for anyone who has half a brain !!

Infact for me this article is a prime example of poor journalism period !!! This is exactly what they want  feeding the mindless Ameicans who follow this trash to tear down our Democracy and Republic !!

 

HARRIS - WALZ 2024 !!!! 

     Complete waste of time--Trumpets do not care about either truth or fact.  The whole issue has been investigated to death with no evidence found.  I think there was a Republican who voted his dead wife.  There are always a few of these in any election.  

3 hours ago, impulse said:

I know that the OP isn't really interested.  If he was, I'd suggest watching the following:

 

Absolute Proof

Rigged

2000 Mules

Stop the Steal

 

Then, read the Texas vs PA (et al) lawsuit from December, 2020, along with the Amicus briefs signed by 126 congressmen (under threat of perjury) and 18 states that there were enough irregularities to warrant holding off certifying the results until the issues were resolved in court.  

 

Or, you can continue to say that there's no evidence.  Up to you.

 

 

I hope after you've watched them you read reviews that dispute their contents and then ask yourself if the claims amount to something worthwhile.

What is surprising is that, among the advanced, and sometimes also the not so advanced, democratic countries, this issue is unique to the USA. It is not easy to understand why French, Germans, Dutch, Swedish, Spanish, Italians, Polish, Indians generally have faith in the fairness of their electoral systems, while so many Americans don't trust theirs.

When faced with a serious problem, it is common practice in the USA to come out with a bipartisan solution.

The fact that this issue has never been addressed leads one to think that it is not a real problem.
Not for the Dems, who prefer to guarantee maximum accessibility to the ballot boxes. 
And not for the Republicans, who benefit from an effective propaganda theme, which they know has no real impact on the outcome of the elections.
Both parties see no benefit in changing the status quo, despite the fact that it generates distrust in the electoral process, a situation unique among advanced democracies.

The only real beneficiaries are social media. The inflammatory posts published by both sides on "rigged elections" often go viral, generating millions of lucrative clicks.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Hakuna Matata said:

Yes, definitely. The election was stolen from him. He is absolutely right!

 

 

I agree 100%.  The 2024 election is headed in the same direction.  MAGA will have to win by 5% to make up for the Left's cheating.  Why are you Leftist so eager to have a Marxist/Communist government installed.  This kind of government is easy to get into and not easy at all to get out of.  She and her husband are both Communists.  Walz like Bernie Sanders had his honeymoon in Russia.  

I fail to understand how Trump asking Raffensperger to find him 11,800 votes can be interpreted as Trump attempting to stop a steal.

 

I also fail to understand how attempting to install fake electors is a legitimate part of the election process.