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[CharlieH]

 

Four people were killed and 17 injured in a mass shooting in Birmingham, Alabama’s Five Points South, a popular nightlife district, late on September 22, 2024. According to Birmingham Police Chief Scott Thurmond, the shooting appeared to be a targeted "hit" on one individual, who was among the dead. The remaining victims were caught in the crossfire.

The attack occurred just after 11 p.m. when multiple shooters drove up, exited their vehicle, opened fire, and then fled the scene. Over 100 shell casings were recovered. Despite no suspects being in custody, Birmingham police are collaborating with the FBI and other agencies to investigate the shooting, urging anyone with information to come forward.

Authorities believe the attackers may have used illegal gun conversion devices, known as "switches," which can convert semi-automatic weapons into fully automatic firearms. Birmingham Mayor Randall Woodfin has called for stricter laws to combat gun violence, describing the situation as an "epidemic." The federal government has already declared such conversion devices illegal, and the U.S. Attorney's office in Birmingham has been cracking down on their use.

When officers arrived at the scene, they found three victims, two men and a woman, already dead. A fourth victim later died at the University of Alabama Hospital. The conditions of the remaining injured, including four with life-threatening injuries, have not been fully disclosed.

This shooting is part of a troubling trend of increasing gun violence in Birmingham. The city has experienced a 41.7% rise in homicides in 2024 compared to the same period last year, even as national crime rates have declined. Mayor Woodfin emphasized the need for tougher gun regulations, particularly regarding conversion devices, to prevent further tragedies.

The White House has been in contact with local authorities, with President Biden and Vice President Harris offering condolences and calling for action to address gun violence across the nation.

 

Based on report from CNN

 

2024-09-23

 

 

 

[gargamon]

There's been over 450 mass shootings in the US so far this year. 

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, gargamon said:

There's been over 450 mass shootings in the US so far this year. 

Yes, let's offer our thoughts and prayers and not do anything.

[Yagoda]

13 minutes ago, gargamon said:

There's been over 450 mass shootings in the US so far this year. 

Got a statistic? Got a definition of mass shooting for that statistic?

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, let's offer our thoughts and prayers and not do anything.

Well we can reelect Trump and get law and order restored.

[Tug]

21 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well we can reelect Trump and get law and order restored.

You do understand trump is a convicted felon don’t you?unfortunately it’s just another daily thing perhaps with an adult in the Oval Office we might get more done.especially yagoda because SHE is a for real prosecutor and she was the ATTORNEY GENERAL of the state with the 5th largest economy on the planet.trump law and order indeed!!perhaps the first 48 tv show will do a documentary on this particular one hope so excellent police show no actors just the detectives!

[Walker88]

43 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well we can reelect Trump and get law and order restored.

Do you mean like Parkland (17 dead)?

 

Las Vegas (59 dead)?

 

Sutherland, Tx (25 dead)?

 

El Paso Walmart (23 dead)?

 

Thousand Oaks, CA (12 dead)?

 

The Pittsburgh Synagogue (11 dead)?

 

Santa Fe HS, TX (10 dead)?

 

Virginia Beach (12 dead)?

 

All took place under your "Mr Law & Order".

 

In the last 75 years, there have been 30 mass shootings in the US with 10 or more deaths (not including the perp). 8 under your guy, the most under any Administration, and he was only in office for 4 years (as you know he lost the 2020 election).

Edited September 23 by Walker88

[MalcolmB]

38 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Got a statistic? Got a definition of mass shooting for that statistic?

Mass shooting in the USA is when four or more people are shot. His figure is correct. Averages more than one per day.

 

This is just more evidence that they are stark raving mad.

[KhunLA]

They really need to give gang bangers free shooting lessons.   When they take out the trash, they sure do leave a mess.

 

Oh well ... just another day in paradise ... families without 'FATHERS'

... Go figure 😎

 

 

 

[Yagoda]

17 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Do you mean like Parkland (17 dead)?

 

Las Vegas (59 dead)?

 

Sunderland, Tx (25 dead)?

 

El Paso Walmart (23 dead)?

 

Thousand Oaks, CA (12 dead)?

 

The Pittsburgh Synagogue (11 dead)?

 

Santa Fe HS, TX (10 dead)?

 

Virginia Beach (12 dead)?

 

All took place under your "Mr Law & Order".

Well if thats so, then Harris is to blame for the 450 this year, right?

 

So is this how it works: Mass shooting when Trump is Pres. His responsibility.

Mass shootings under Harris?

[Yagoda]

8 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Mass shooting in the USA is when four or more people are shot. His figure is correct. Averages more than one per day.

 

This is just more evidence that they are stark raving mad.

Well thats nice, got some stats? Got some background on the stats?

 

And who is "they"?

[JonnyF]

Sounds like a gang related hit by a bunch of amateurs. 

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Got a statistic? Got a definition of mass shooting for that statistic?

Think its 3 or 4 injured in any shooting.   Not the same as mass murder.  But how, why stick to specifics, but 4 deaths or more.

 

49 mass murderers (4 or more) so far ... and yes, way to many.  Though some do include the shooter (suicide), so maybe not all 49 are mass murders.  Didn't bother reading all of them.

 

Guns aren't the problem people.  People (fatherless) are the problem,, and the breakdown of the family unit.   Economy doesn't help either when both parents, if having, have to work to feed those with too many kids.

Edited September 23 by KhunLA

[Walker88]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well if thats so, then Harris is to blame for the 450 this year, right?

 

So is this how it works: Mass shooting when Trump is Pres. His responsibility.

Mass shootings under Harris?

You've got some maga (il) logic working there, fella.

 

Your tout your boy as someone who can restore law and order, but the major mass shootings while he was in office dwarf any other Admin since 1949, but now it's all Harris' fault.

 

I suppose one could argue that a career criminal like the convicted felon (bank fraud, insurance fraud, sexual assault, defamation, charity fraud, general business fraud) knows crime, but he seems more a perp than a solution.

[Amethyst]

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[MalcolmB]

7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well thats nice, got some stats? Got some background on the stats?

 

And who is "they"?

Try searching google yourself.

 

And you must come from the land of the stark raving mad if you are trying to blame mass shootings on either Harris or Trump. 
They didn’t shoot anyone

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Sounds like a gang related hit by a bunch of amateurs. 

Glock Switches. The new toy of choice.

 

Virtually uncontrollable, its just a military spray and pray thing. I think the cyclical rate is 1200rpm and you have a 33 round mag so you do the math. Not even fun to shoot because its like "oK that was a millisecond of fun what did I hit, here is your $50 for the box of ammo" .

 

Glock switches are, at this time, a Federal NFA violation. The mere possession is 20 years in the can.

 

Very intimidating but if you are under cover, wait a second till he runs out of ammo (most of which will be launched in the air) and then pop the perp with your 38

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Try searching google yourself.

 

And you must come from the land of the stark raving mad if you are trying to blame mass shootings on either Harris or Trump. 
They didn’t shoot anyone

So the folks blaming mass shootings on Trump are stark raving mad. Got it.

 

 

[Yagoda]

6 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

You've got some maga (il) logic working there, fella.

 

Your tout your boy as someone who can restore law and order, but the major mass shootings while he was in office dwarf any other Admin since 1949, but now it's all Harris' fault.

 

I suppose one could argue that a career criminal like the convicted felon (bank fraud, insurance fraud, sexual assault, defamation, charity fraud, general business fraud) knows crime, but he seems more a perp than a solution.

Obviously, with 88 in your user name, you are a Harris supporter.

[impulse]

Guess where Birmingham is on this AL political map. 

 

Give you a hint...  Who's more likely to release violent criminals because the poor babies (with Glock switches) are being picked on?  

 

 

Edit:  Oops.  Here's my link...

 

https://www.wvtm13.com/article/alabama-election-results-2020-county-map/34935044

 

Edited September 23 by impulse

[Yagoda]

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Think its 3 or 4 injured in any shooting.   Not the same as mass murder.  But how, why stick to specifics.

 

Guns aren't the problem people.  People (fatherless) are the problem,, and the breakdown of the family unit.   Economy doesn't help either when both parents, if having, have to work to feed those with too many kids.

The epidemic of lawlessness is on the head of Harris. Chaos breeds  chaos.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

Guess where Birmingham is on this GA political map. 

 

Give you a hint...  Who's more likely to release violent criminals because the poor babies are being picked on?  

 

Thats Harris territory. Where cops are racist like the entire country and we need to just let the people be, unburdened by what has been.

[MalcolmB]

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

So the folks blaming mass shootings on Trump are stark raving mad. Got it.

 

 

Yes, it is nonsense. 
There were mass shootings before and after he was President.

 

in the Land of the Stark Raving Mad there will be sections of society always blaming “the other side” for anything that they can.

 

Nutters.

[Yagoda]

Just now, MalcolmB said:

Yes, it is nonsense. 
There were mass shootings before and after he was President.

 

in the Land of the Stark Raving Mad there will be sections of society always blaming “the other side” for anything that they can.

 

Nutters.

O you must be a Brit or one of that associated lot. Carry on, you have your own societal problems.

[KhunLA]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

The epidemic of lawlessness is on the head of Harris. Chaos breeds  chaos.

NO ... falls on the parents, fathers mostly, not taking responsibility for raising their children properly.  

 

As much as I think Harris is a joke, it certainly does fall on her.   But the decades of 535 idiots, being re-elected by millions of other idiots, is the problem.

 

Along with the very profitable revolving door prison policy.   Solving it would be easy. 

 

 Get arrested with a gun, for ANY reason ... life in prison.

Get arrested shooting someone ... DEATH SENTENCE.

Sell a gun illegally ... life in prison

 

PROBLEM SOLVED .... you don't deserve to walk among the us.

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The epidemic of lawlessness is on the head of Harris. Chaos breeds  chaos.

After only a few moments earlier:

21 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

So the folks blaming mass shootings on Trump are stark raving mad. Got it.

 

 

 

[gargamon]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Got a statistic? Got a definition of mass shooting for that statistic?

Duh. Ever heard of Google?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2024

This is a list of mass shootings that took place in the United States in 2024. Mass shootings are incidents in which several people are injured or killed due to firearm-related violence, specifically for the purposes of this article, a total of four or more victims. As of August 31, a total of 527 people have been killed and 1,755 people have been wounded in 432 shootings.

[Yagoda]

10 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

NO ... falls on the parents, fathers mostly, not taking responsibility for raising their children properly.  

 

As much as I think Harris is a joke, it certainly does fall on her.   But the decades of 535 idiots, being re-elected by millions of other idiots, is the problem.

 

Along with the very profitable revolving door prison policy.   Solving it would be easy. 

 

 Get arrested with a gun, for ANY reason ... life in prison.

Get arrested shooting someone ... DEATH SENTENCE.

Sell a gun illegally ... life in prison

 

PROBLEM SOLVED .... you don't deserve to walk among the us.

Bit harsh so probably wouldnt fly. But gun criminals always catch a break under the Harris regime. Look at the stats out of NYC and Chicago. 

 

Now, me, right wing white man  if I capped some homeless skell on the NYC subway who was eating the liver of a 6 year old after beating her to death, with a legally purchased and owned somewhere else fine firearm like a Vickers Luger or even better, a Webley Fosberry, Id get arrested and prosecuted for Manslaughter and weapons posession and my $16,000 revolver would end up on the stash in Gracie Mansion.

[Digitalbanana]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Got a statistic? Got a definition of mass shooting for that statistic?

Wikipedia is your friend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2024

[Yagoda]

6 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Duh. Ever heard of Google?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2024

This is a list of mass shootings that took place in the United States in 2024. Mass shootings are incidents in which several people are injured or killed due to firearm-related violence, specifically for the purposes of this article, a total of four or more victims. As of August 31, a total of 527 people have been killed and 1,755 people have been wounded in 432 shootings.

Duh. Wonderful. Did you check Wikpedias stats? How many is "several" by the way, not for Wikpedia but for the government? Do the stats have breakdowns of the factual circumstances of the mass shooting? What point is being made by this entire topic?

 

Would the title of the topic be more in tune with the statistics if it read:

 

Another mass shooting perpetrated by Black Americans in a Democratic Jurisdiction?

 

Of course, if the whole topic is just an excuse to Trump/America/Guns bash, have at it.