Frozen in time: British expats losing out on pensions in Thailand

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, Bobydog said:

Good luck to him. Is he receiving Age pension and does he own a home in Australia

He has no assets in Australia, and gets the OAP.

[Mike Teavee]

3 hours ago, itsari said:

The UK Goverment began saving money on pension payments by discriminating what country a pensionist chose to live in the 1950s.

So not much help in covering the 2 billion a week shortfall from the Brexit blunder.

I think you've got that backwards, prior to the 1950s all overseas Pensions were frozen & it's only since then that some countries have entered into reciprocal social security agreements which include pension uplifts. 

 

https://britishpensions.com/state-pension-history-timeline-1/

 

 

Edited October 3 by Mike Teavee

[Bobydog]

32 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

He has no assets in Australia, and gets the OAP.

If Australian gov don't know he is living permanently in Thailand he's a lucky fellow. Ato website is quite clear on this one, tho you have to dig for it, my tax accountant found it for me. Tell him good luck from me. 

[arick]

12 hours ago, bkk_mike said:

 

That makes absolutely no sense - as the US is one of the countries where a UK state pension isn't frozen.

Are you sure she wasn't from Canada and changed planes in New York?

If you read it's 30 years ago and I don't mention anything about being frozen.  For example Canada is frozen

[itsari]

25 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

I think you've got that backwards, prior to the 1950s all overseas Pensions were frozen & it's only since then that some countries have entered into reciprocal social security agreements which include pension uplifts. 

 

https://britishpensions.com/state-pension-history-timeline-1/

 

 

If you read the post I was answering to I am not wrong.

Most of not all social agreements the UK has started or stopped for that matter was before Brexit.

So how is the UK saving money 

On pension payments to pay for asylum seekers hotel bills.

[Mike Teavee]

Just now, itsari said:

If you read the post I was answering to I am not wrong.

Most of not all social agreements the UK has started or stopped for that matter was before Brexit.

So how is the UK saving money 

On pension payments to pay for asylum seekers hotel bills.

Ahhh got you, you were answering a post on BREXIT, I was just pointing out that prior to 1950s all overseas pensions were frozen & to the best of my knowledge the UK has never stopped paying increases once an agreement was in place. 

 

 

[itsari]

20 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

Ahhh got you, you were answering a post on BREXIT, I was just pointing out that prior to 1950s all overseas pensions were frozen & to the best of my knowledge the UK has never stopped paying increases once an agreement was in place. 

 

 

All in order Mike

[IvorBiggun2]

https://www.google.com/search?q=why+do+people+collect+their+pensions+for+an+average+of+only+8+years&sca_esv=fd0151089ee2cb53&rlz=1C1CHBF_enTH1042TH1042&ei=OzD-Zt_8D4aanesP-Yrs2QQ&ved=0ahUKEwifhtHbwfGIAxUGTWcHHXkFO0sQ4dUDCA8&oq=why+do+people+collect+their+pensions+for+an+average+of+only+8+years&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiQ3doeSBkbyBwZW9wbGUgY29sbGVjdCB0aGVpciBwZW5zaW9ucyBmb3IgYW4gYXZlcmFnZSBvZiBvbmx5IDggeWVhcnNI_58DUM8MWKX9AnACeAGQAQCYAbIBoAGxIaoBBDQuMzG4AQzIAQD4AQGYAgSgAsoCwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICBhAAGBYYHsICCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFwgIIEAAYgAQYogSYAwDiAwUSATEgQIgGAZAGCJIHAzIuMqAH1xs&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:fc31eb63,vid:41jqg14RGS0,st:0

Edited October 3 by IvorBiggun2

[Letseng]

And why is this newsworthy?

DWP tells you clearly that your pension doesn't increase while you live in TH. This has never been different.

[jori123]

29 minutes ago, Letseng said:

And why is this newsworthy?

DWP tells you clearly that your pension doesn't increase while you live in TH. This has never been different.

Only if you you get pension paid thru IPC,   diy (transferwise etc) keep a UK address, but then IPC would not pay you

[Middle Aged Grouch]

On 10/2/2024 at 12:46 AM, bradiston said:

The frozen pension policy has been around for about 70 years. You're just hijacking the conversation with anti US rhetoric.

America is creating trouble all over the world between it's sanctions to Russia and in supporting and supplying arms for a Genocide with daily war crimes in the Gaza region. Nobody is conned anymore on the games the Biden administration is playing, much to the joy of the American arms lobby.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/2/2024 at 2:47 AM, webfact said:

Three British expats reveal their nightmare experiences of having their UK pension frozen, thanks to a government policy that leaves them with unadjusted savings, sparking widespread outrage.

Gawd...not again, when will these expats realise what they voluntarily signed-up for and what the rules are (and have been for sodding decades) and stop moaning about something that will never be changed?

[jori123]

9 hours ago, bradiston said:

I don't follow. What exactly are you saying? You're saying it was a hoax, but your explanation is unfathomable. Jealousy? you don't provide any evidence it was a hoax.

  You have to go back to the beginning of the locked thread to get the gist. 

prakhonchai nick

  but you could ask this poster why he made a voluntary statement and asked the DWP to furnish a letter (5 years after the said overpayment, noting 6 years is the max that can be snatched back) that would nice to know,but statements as "BINGO" when he was pinned to the mast in agreeing he did indeed ,jealousy, Seems his partner in crime has met an oily banana skin lol

 

Its all there go back locked thread, see it all pan out,but he cannot deny it, its on record....sorry

    

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/2/2024 at 5:23 AM, Robert Tyrrell said:

APPAULING !! SHAME ON YOIU AGAIN !!!

That's even more appalling!

[3NUMBAS]

blame starmer and reeves ,the usual labour crowd of dumbos who cant think  straight

[brewsterbudgen]

21 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

blame starmer and reeves ,the usual labour crowd of dumbos who cant think  straight

 

Yes, all Starmer's fault 🤣

[Tiger1980]

23 hours ago, baansgr said:

£221 per week equals €1,150 per month, UK pension is actually quite good for only 35 years of contributions compared to most euros that need 44 years 

The figure you quoted is for those who retired after 2016,for those who retired before 2016 the monthly pension is approximately £750. And this is after they may have worked and payed N.I. FOR 50yrs. When the pensions are increased each year in line with the increase in inflation those on the new rate receive a larger increase then those on the old rate even though their weekly shopping bill is the same.

This is all down to the incompetent and corrupt politicians of all parties throughout the years, who strangely received the full increase to their parliamentary pension wherever in the world they live.

[BuddyPish]

On 10/2/2024 at 10:34 AM, proton said:

 

No they are not, they are put into hotels, given free health care and over 40 quid a week. The asylum system is no more than a scam these days, failing is almost impossible due to being unable to disprove their lies. Where as the last labour government did deport 50k failures in 2010 the Torries and Labour now deport almost none. 

Someone gets his "facts" from the Daily Mail

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

blame starmer and reeves ,the usual labour crowd of dumbos who cant think  straight

DOH!

[AjarnMartin]

On 10/2/2024 at 5:02 AM, theblether said:

Give it a rest. This has been the rule since the majority of pensioners were born. 

 

There is zero chance the UK is going to update 490,000 pensions for people in this position. Especially after means testing winter allowances. 

 

Just give it a rest. 

 

ps - I note an article quoting people in their fifties moaning about the pensions freeze. They don't even qualify for the pension for over a decade and they have started greeting already. Dear me. 

Hi There… with a name like ‘the blather’ I guess you are north of the border. I’m originally from Largs so may I suggest that you tell your readers what ‘greeting’ is… 😂🤣 before you are asked to explain…

[theblether]

6 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

There is NOT a large supply of doctors in Thailand. Thailand has serious shortages in some specialties such as mental health, geriatrics, pain management, nuclear medicine, novel surgery techniques and oncology.

The patient doctor ratio in Thailand is 0.67:1000. In the UK it is 3.0:1000   

Both Thailand and the UK have a shortage of GPs. Thailand GPs are the most likely to have the most limited of medical training and are least likely to speak a language other than Thai.  How do you expect a Thai GP to practice in the UK if he or she does not speak the language? And why would you even assume, Thai physicians would want to relocate to the UK?   Life is much better for a wealthy Thai in Thailand than in the UK.

 

The subject of nurses is even more obvious. The shortage of surgical and specialized care nurses in the UK will not be solved by recruiting from Thailand, because  the training is not the same. The education is different for the specialties and you just can't import people with a wave of the hand.

 

There are also licensing requirements to be satisfied.

 

I already said there was a language issue. What was the point of your post? 

 

Prime example of an online expert in everything not reading what is posted. 

 

ps - there are Thai medics fluent in English, I know two that work in UK private hospitals. I also know one that works in............Germany!! Amazing to think that educated Thais can speak foreign languages, eh? Who would have thought. 

[theblether]

2 minutes ago, AjarnMartin said:

Hi There… with a name like ‘the blather’ I guess you are north of the border. I’m originally from Largs so may I suggest that you tell your readers what ‘greeting’ is… 😂🤣 before you are asked to explain…

 

Most people here have read my urbane and witty posts for over a decade, they are familiar with the Scottish lexicon. 

 

Then again, we often get the village idiots that decide to google the word "blether" and think it's a revelation. It never occurs to them I picked the name for a reason. Nowt so queer as folk, eh?. 

[BruceWayne]

Is anyone surprised UK Govt won't give pension rises to male viagra boomer crew?

It's an easy one to sell to the UK public who suspect we ain't here for the temples and culture.

 

This is why it'll never change - not that it'll stop the inevitable threads every few months

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, BruceWayne said:

Is anyone surprised UK Govt won't give pension rises to male viagra boomer crew?

It's an easy one to sell to the UK public who suspect we ain't here for the temples and culture.

 

This is why it'll never change - not that it'll stop the inevitable threads every few months

Would have thought most Brit expats ended up in Canada or Australia, sexpats in Thailand would be a trivial number out of all the pensioner expats.

 

Also plenty of Brits that moved overseas to be with their kids (who had emigrated), after retirement.

 

Don't forget the workers that came from the west Indies (Et al) then took their pensions back home with them.

Edited October 3 by BritManToo

[bradiston]

50 minutes ago, BruceWayne said:

Is anyone surprised UK Govt won't give pension rises to male viagra boomer crew?

It's an easy one to sell to the UK public who suspect we ain't here for the temples and culture.

 

This is why it'll never change - not that it'll stop the inevitable threads every few months

Yes, but it's not just here the pensions are frozen. But there are still plenty of alternative destinations, and many antifreeze options.

[jori123]

6 hours ago, jori123 said:

  You have to go back to the beginning of the locked thread to get the gist. 

prakhonchai nick

  but you could ask this poster why he made a voluntary statement and asked the DWP to furnish a letter (5 years after the said overpayment, noting 6 years is the max that can be snatched back) that would nice to know,but statements as "BINGO" when he was pinned to the mast in agreeing he did indeed ,jealousy, Seems his partner in crime has met an oily banana skin lol

 

Its all there go back locked thread, see it all pan out, but he cannot deny it, its on record....sorry

    

prakhonchai nick   not come back, never mind, have some explaining to do, never mind, Ill keep waiting

 

  By the way, nobody has ever been sanctioned/punished by DWP for receiving unfrozen state pension, not only in TH but anywhere else for that matter, never will be, keep to UK address

[jori123]

On 10/1/2024 at 11:33 PM, prakhonchai nick said:

I suspect that will be on the cards for Brits, sooner rather than later. Minimum 180 days in the UK, or no state pension

According to you there should be no state pension, as you have been dealt with by yourself

[Patong2021]

5 hours ago, theblether said:

 

I already said there was a language issue. What was the point of your post? 

 

Prime example of an online expert in everything not reading what is posted. 

 

ps - there are Thai medics fluent in English, I know two that work in UK private hospitals. I also know one that works in............Germany!! Amazing to think that educated Thais can speak foreign languages, eh? Who would have thought. 

2 people is not a solution. Yes, some Thais speak  English. They can also speak French, Manadarin, and German.  The point of my comment was to refute your statement;

On 10/2/2024 at 5:05 AM, theblether said:    I've continuously pointed out to the NHS that there is a large well of nurses and doctors available in Thailand. It's not one of their preferred hiring locations and that's a mistake. 

What is wrong with my reading comprehension as you claim Did you not write the above?  It is you who is a self proclaimed expert with that ignorant statement.  You ignored the fact that Thailand has a shortage of health professionals. 

 

There is NOT a large well  of qualified nurses and doctors in Thailand. What part of Thailand  of the patient doctor ratio in Thailand of 0.67:1000  do you not understand? What part of the reality that the Thai health professionals most likely to be functionally literate in English are  those who have completed some studies in an English language nation? These are typically specialists. Nurses and GPs are the least likely to have completed  english language medical training. 

The crisis is in the UK is in the number of available GPs and the number of available operating theaters and hospital beds. The available facilities have been reduced to save money. Having 1000 more nurses won't reopen a surgery. Funding for their salaries and the equipment will.

 

You also ignored the fact that it is irresponsible and UNETHICAL, and contravenes established foreign relation undertakings for a wealthier nation undertake "brain drain". 

[BritManToo]

On 10/3/2024 at 1:24 AM, bkk_mike said:

People who watch Emmerdale or Coronation Street aren't exactly the demographic that intend to leave the country.

Wrong, I used to watch Corry, Emmerdale and East Enders, yet here I am.

[BritManToo]

19 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

https://www.google.com/search?q=why+do+people+collect+their+pensions+for+an+average+of+only+8+years&sca_esv=fd0151089ee2cb53&rlz=1C1CHBF_enTH1042TH1042&ei=OzD-Zt_8D4aanesP-Yrs2QQ&ved=0ahUKEwifhtHbwfGIAxUGTWcHHXkFO0sQ4dUDCA8&oq=why+do+people+collect+their+pensions+for+an+average+of+only+8+years&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiQ3doeSBkbyBwZW9wbGUgY29sbGVjdCB0aGVpciBwZW5zaW9ucyBmb3IgYW4gYXZlcmFnZSBvZiBvbmx5IDggeWVhcnNI_58DUM8MWKX9AnACeAGQAQCYAbIBoAGxIaoBBDQuMzG4AQzIAQD4AQGYAgSgAsoCwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICBhAAGBYYHsICCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFwgIIEAAYgAQYogSYAwDiAwUSATEgQIgGAZAGCJIHAzIuMqAH1xs&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:fc31eb63,vid:41jqg14RGS0,st:0

Good find @IvorBiggun2, if the average time people collect their pensions is 8 years, that puts the average age at death in the UK around 73 years old. Which much more matches my experience of death age than that suggested by UK government statistics.