Thai Hostages Still Missing a Year After Hamas Attack

[Nick Carter icp]

31 minutes ago, black tabby12345 said:

Israel VS Hamas.

Battle between one evil and another.

My total impression after all.

 

   The hostages are just as bad as the hostage takers ?

No difference between being a hostage and being held hostage ?

[Rolo89]

1 hour ago, black tabby12345 said:

Israel VS Hamas.

Battle between one evil and another.

My total impression after all.

War is ugly.

 

Neither side is perfect.

 

But only one side is evil. Hamas.

[Nick Carter icp]

5 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

None of the released Thai hostages were tortured.

And sadly, but not surprisingly, the Jews did nothing to help get them freed.

 

   Its expected that Israel would help its own citizens before helping people from other Countries .

   Why should Israel help people from other Countries before it helps its own citizens ?

    What is Thailand doing to help and free its own citizens ?

   Why should the whole World rely on Israel to free their hostages ?

[MalcolmB]

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The hostages are just as bad as the hostage takers ?

No difference between being a hostage and being held hostage ?

You love twisting what people say.

i understand what he means, he didn’t mean what you are claiming.

[MalcolmB]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its expected that Israel would help its own citizens before helping people from other Countries .

   Why should Israel help people from other Countries before it helps its own citizens ?

    What is Thailand doing to help and free its own citizens ?

   Why should the whole World rely on Israel to free their hostages ?

Ditto

[it is what it is]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its expected that Israel would help its own citizens before helping people from other Countries .

   Why should Israel help people from other Countries before it helps its own citizens ?

    What is Thailand doing to help and free its own citizens ?

   Why should the whole World rely on Israel to free their hostages ?

 

there were 3 or 4 different nationalities taken hostage in the iranian embassy siege, the rescue of the hostages was absolutely not dependent on their nationality.

[Nick Carter icp]

16 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

You love twisting what people say.

i understand what he means, he didn’t mean what you are claiming.

 

   I wasn't twisting anything , he stated that both Israel and Hamas are the same and as bad as each other and that is what I replied to 

[Nick Carter icp]

13 minutes ago, it is what it is said:

 

there were 3 or 4 different nationalities taken hostage in the iranian embassy siege, the rescue of the hostages was absolutely not dependent on their nationality.

 

  Thanks for that input, now lets get back on topic , Thai hostages in Gaza

[safarimike11]

On 10/9/2024 at 8:08 PM, john donson said:

maybe hamas loves thai food now and keeping them as cooks

 

and some little ghosts...

I myself love hummus; problem is that they have ceased stocking it in Friendship.

[lordgrinz]

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The hostages are just as bad as the hostage takers ?

No difference between being a hostage and being held hostage ?

 

Tabby is speaking Newspeak, obviously he works for the Ministry of Truth. 

[Patong2021]

On 10/9/2024 at 1:14 AM, ourmanflint said:

Israel treats Thai workers very badly on the kibbutz, Thailand should pull them all out

 

False claim. You post to draw attention away from the fact that the Gazans  violently and cruelly murdered  39 Thais and  abducted 26.  Where is your concern for the Thai victims?

 

Thai workers departed left following  the October massacre. A small number returned in June at the request of the Thai workers, because the wages and working conditions are better than in Thailand. Thai workers earn 8-10X more in Israel than in Thailand.

 

Your claim is a negative myth perpetuated by people who wish to present Israel in a negative light. The reality is that migrant farm labour encounter wrongful  treatment worldwide. It happens in Canada, Sweden and USA too. This neither excuses, nor explains away such event. However, the reality is that such events are infrequent and when they are discovered they are addressed. Israel relied on Thai farm workers and was not in a position to discourage their presence. They did the jobs previously performed by Palestinians who resided in Gaza and the West Bank.

 

The labour treatment complaints are in some cases justified and reported by the workers themselves.  In other cases are reported by inspectors or labour unions.   There are worker hotlines and site inspections. Israel, like the EU, USA and Canada by law requires that the migrant labour dwellings be inspected and notices be posted in worker residences.  For example this circular is provided to farm workers;

Agriculture workers' Rights January 2024:  LaOved – Worker's Hotline is a non-profit organization that provides advice, guidance and legal aid to workers. The following rights are guaranteed by Israeli law to all workers in Israel whether Israeli or not, with or without a visa. If any of the rights where not given/ paid to you, please contact Kav LaOved. We cannot help you receive your money from the employer if you contact us a few days before you leave.

Please contact us at least a month earlier

https://kavlaoved.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Agriculture-workers-ENG-1.2024.pdf

 

Some of the complaints come from groups who have a vested interest in lodging these complaints, i.e. Labour and social activist groups in Israel. others are politically motivated These complaints mirror those seen in the EU and Canada/USA. Mistreatment of migrant labour is unacceptable, but farms are labour demanding and the conditions seem onerous to those not used to hard work. The treatment of migrant labour in israel is no better or worse than what we see in the western world and is still much better than that seen in the Arab Gulf, Turkey, SE Asia and in Thailand itself. That is because there are  labour protection laws in Israel that are enforced and upheld by an independent judiciary.

 

How about some concern for the  Thai victims of the Arab initiated and organized massacre? Why were Thais murdered? They were obviously farm workers and not Israelis. Why were the Thais abducted and tortured?

[Evil Penevil]

 

No one with an IQ above room temperature could possibly believe that abducting Thais at gun point and holding them hostage for 50 days in dimly lit tunnels is not a form of torture.  If you look at a version of the pic below without the blurring, you'll immediately see the terror in the captives' faces.  They have their hands tied behind them and a masked terrorist is pointing an AK-47 at them with his finger on the trigger. 

 

On 10/8/2024 at 6:36 PM, webfact said:

 

The young man in the pic below doesn't look like he's being treated very well, either.

 

 

You can find this pic and the unaltered versions of the first photo at https://www.hamas-massacre.net/   Type in "Thai" in the Search box and it will bring up all the photos and vids with Thai victims.  WARNING: You can also find the long version video of a Palestinian using a hoe to decapitate a Thai worker.  The Palestinian shouts in Arabic "Let me kill him!  I want to do it!"  The Palestinian has such a gleeful expression on his face it's truly  (no words for it but I'll use) horrorific.  It's probably the one image I wish the most I could unsee.  I have not linked directly to the video because the Thai government does not want it on social media.  The video has the caption, "A Gazan beheads a Thai civilian with a hoe."

 

18 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Yes a few got caught up in the slaughter sadly.

But no Thai hostages were tortured.

More than a few  @MalcolmB.   Thirty nine Thais were killed on Oct 7,  some under very grim circumstances.  And some of the Thai hostages were indeed tortured, psychologically and physically, from the moment they were captured.  

 

The questions I have for you and any other pro-Palestinian poster are:  Why would Hamas and other Gazans murder Thai agricultural workers?  How did they further the cause of Palestinian independence by killing Thais?

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/freed-thai-hostage-returns-home-emotional-reunion-hamas-release-rcna127544

 

In an interview with Reuters, Anucha Angkaew said the hostages had been beaten,  starved and otherwise abused.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/50-days-hamas-captivity-thai-man-recalls-beatings-bleakness-2023-12-07/

 

He told German broadcaster DW (Deutsche Welle) that he lost 16 kilos in captivity.  Another freed hostage,  Manee Jirachat. told DW he still felt the pain after getting hit in the neck with a rifle stock the day he was kidnapped.

 

"Once the truck was full, they shot two of my companions in the head," the young man recounted, head lowered. "Just because there was no room left for more hostages. I'll never forget the sight."  https://www.dw.com/en/freed-thai-hostages-israelis-had-it-worse/a-67642521

He told a Singapore news agency  he had been beaten.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmhyunqTmlQ

 Yet another released hostage, Gong Saelao, told Benar News he had been kept shackled the whole time.  https://www.benarnews.org/english/news/thai/thai-hostage-gaza-recounts-kidnapping-04092024012212.html

 

18 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

If you follow the news, plenty of the Thais were interviewed and they all said the Palestinians did not torture them.

 

If you'd followed the news better, you'd have known some Thais were tortured and many were murdered.

Edited October 11 by Evil Penevil

[lordgrinz]

5 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

If you'd followed the news better, you'd have known some Thais were tortured and many were murdered.

 

Yup, the apologists for the terrorists are getting out of control, I hope the IDF continues to hammer their enemies into the ground.

[mdr224]

16 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

No one with an IQ above room temperature could possibly believe that abducting Thais at gun point and holding them hostage for 50 days in dimly lit tunnels is not a form of torture.  If you look at a version of the pic below without the blurring, you'll immediately see the terror in the captives' faces.  They have their hands tied behind them and a masked terrorist is pointing an AK-47 at them with his finger on the trigger. 

 

 

The young man in the pic below doesn't look like he's being treated very well, either.

 

 

You can find this pic and the unaltered versions of the first photo at https://www.hamas-massacre.net/   Type in "Thai" in the Search box and it will bring up all the photos and vids with Thai victims.  WARNING: You can also find the long version video of a Palestinian using a hoe to decapitate a Thai worker.  The Palestinian shouts in Arabic "Let me kill him!  I want to do it!"  The Palestinian has such a gleeful expression on his face it's truly  (no words for it but I'll use) horrorific.  It's probably the one image I wish the most I could unsee.  I have not linked directly to the video because the Thai government does not want it on social media.  The video has the caption, "A Gazan beheads a Thai civilian with a hoe."

 

More than a few  @MalcolmB.   Thirty nine Thais were killed on Oct 7,  some under very grim circumstances.  And some of the Thai hostages were indeed tortured, psychologically and physically, from the moment they were captured.  

 

The questions I have for you and any other pro-Palestinian poster are:  Why would Hamas and other Gazans murder Thai agricultural workers?  How did they further the cause of Palestinian independence by killing Thais?

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/freed-thai-hostage-returns-home-emotional-reunion-hamas-release-rcna127544

 

In an interview with Reuters, Anucha Angkaew said the hostages had been beaten,  starved and otherwise abused.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/50-days-hamas-captivity-thai-man-recalls-beatings-bleakness-2023-12-07/

 

He told German broadcaster DW (Deutsche Welle) that he lost 16 kilos in captivity.  Another freed hostage,  Manee Jirachat. told DW he still felt the pain after getting hit in the neck with a rifle stock the day he was kidnapped.

 

"Once the truck was full, they shot two of my companions in the head," the young man recounted, head lowered. "Just because there was no room left for more hostages. I'll never forget the sight."  https://www.dw.com/en/freed-thai-hostages-israelis-had-it-worse/a-67642521

He told a Singapore news agency  he had been beaten.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmhyunqTmlQ

 Yet another released hostage, Gong Saelao, told Benar News he had been kept shackled the whole time.  https://www.benarnews.org/english/news/thai/thai-hostage-gaza-recounts-kidnapping-04092024012212.html

 

 

If you'd followed the news better, you'd have known some Thais were tortured and many were murdered.

The guy youre responding to is a troll, im sure you know

[ChicagoExpat]

21 hours ago, black tabby12345 said:

 

Very interesting.

Posting texts often clearly give away their real nature(including racism, justification of the Silent Violence that makes this world miserable).

 

 

This is such a stupid post.

[Evil Penevil]

32 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

The guy youre responding to is a troll, im sure you know

 

Yes, I know.  But he's a useful troll because he embodies modern antisemitism.  It's good practice for me  to refute his absurd claims about Israel. He's also quite skilled at baiting supporters of Israel.  I would be the first to acknowledge he's a master baiter.

[black tabby12345]

15 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

You love twisting what people say.

i understand what he means, he didn’t mean what you are claiming.

 

Thank you.

Looks like some people cannot tell the party involved LOL.

In that topic: 

Thais=100% victim; Hamas' hostage

Israel=Sweat shop operator to Thai workers & enemy to Palestinians in Gaza(also to Hamas)

Hamas=Enemy to Israel that   abducted Thai migrant workers during their raid

 

 

[ourmanflint]

14 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

False claim. You post to draw attention away from the fact that the Gazans  violently and cruelly murdered  39 Thais and  abducted 26.  Where is your concern for the Thai victims?

 

Thai workers departed left following  the October massacre. A small number returned in June at the request of the Thai workers, because the wages and working conditions are better than in Thailand. Thai workers earn 8-10X more in Israel than in Thailand.

 

Your claim is a negative myth perpetuated by people who wish to present Israel in a negative light. The reality is that migrant farm labour encounter wrongful  treatment worldwide. It happens in Canada, Sweden and USA too. This neither excuses, nor explains away such event. However, the reality is that such events are infrequent and when they are discovered they are addressed. Israel relied on Thai farm workers and was not in a position to discourage their presence. They did the jobs previously performed by Palestinians who resided in Gaza and the West Bank.

 

The labour treatment complaints are in some cases justified and reported by the workers themselves.  In other cases are reported by inspectors or labour unions.   There are worker hotlines and site inspections. Israel, like the EU, USA and Canada by law requires that the migrant labour dwellings be inspected and notices be posted in worker residences.  For example this circular is provided to farm workers;

Agriculture workers' Rights January 2024:  LaOved – Worker's Hotline is a non-profit organization that provides advice, guidance and legal aid to workers. The following rights are guaranteed by Israeli law to all workers in Israel whether Israeli or not, with or without a visa. If any of the rights where not given/ paid to you, please contact Kav LaOved. We cannot help you receive your money from the employer if you contact us a few days before you leave.

Please contact us at least a month earlier

https://kavlaoved.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Agriculture-workers-ENG-1.2024.pdf

 

Some of the complaints come from groups who have a vested interest in lodging these complaints, i.e. Labour and social activist groups in Israel. others are politically motivated These complaints mirror those seen in the EU and Canada/USA. Mistreatment of migrant labour is unacceptable, but farms are labour demanding and the conditions seem onerous to those not used to hard work. The treatment of migrant labour in israel is no better or worse than what we see in the western world and is still much better than that seen in the Arab Gulf, Turkey, SE Asia and in Thailand itself. That is because there are  labour protection laws in Israel that are enforced and upheld by an independent judiciary.

 

How about some concern for the  Thai victims of the Arab initiated and organized massacre? Why were Thais murdered? They were obviously farm workers and not Israelis. Why were the Thais abducted and tortured?

Gosh a lot of words that ends up saying very little. I stand by my claim, Thai farm workers are treated very poorly in Israel, and Thailand should discourage any further worker going there

[Neeranam]

There are many Thai agriculture workers in Lebanon too, Israel is doing nothing for their safety!  

[Social Media]

Off topic post removed, please get back on topic if you want your posts to remain:

 

 

 

Thai Hostages Still Missing a Year After Hamas Attack

 

[ChicagoExpat]

On 10/13/2024 at 7:56 PM, Neeranam said:

There are many Thai agriculture workers in Lebanon too, Israel is doing nothing for their safety!  

No matter what the subject, no matter where it occurs... Israel is responsible.  Got it!

[metisdead]

An off topic post has been removed as this topic is not about "3,000 Palestinians in Israeli jails with no charges."