Trump - just what does he have to do for his supporters to question their allegiance?

[MangoKorat]

Despite his claims, Trump is a devious, ill meaning liar.

 

He has little respect for the law and been involved in dozens of court cases over the years - many before he became president of the USA.  His treatment and regard for the opposite sex is legendary. He has divided a nation, even divided families and severely weakened the USA's consideration on the international stage.

 

His lies are often just crazy - from suggesting bleach might cure covid to stating that immigrants are eating pet dogs and cats.  When anything goes against him - either he's caught out lying or new legal action is taken, he cries 'witch hunt'.

 

He is also though, very cunning and knows exactly how to gain support of people by claiming emapthy with them and using populist ideals.  Many of his supporters just take his claims as gospel and don't even bother to check them out.  He has been very succesful in getting them to believe that the 'deep state' is actually out to get them and he has spawned many, quite ridiculous conspiracy theories.  Incidentally, quite a large proportion of Trump supporters appear to be conspiracy theorists. 

 

A recent conspiracy theory, spread by a Trump supporting congresswoman claims that the recent Hurricanes in the USA are a result of the government controlling the weather.  Trump himself spread misinformation regarding the current government's response to Hurricane's Helen & Milton - claiming that victims would only receive $750 and that disaster relief funds were being diverted to illegal immigrants.  Both those claims are totally false. Interestingly, this seems to have caused division within the Republican Party itself. Do you support people like that?

 

The above by the way, has nothing at all to do with the forthcoming election battle between Trump and Harris.  I'm not from the USA so who wins the election has very little bearing on my life - so I'm not inviting comments from people comparing the two.

 

No, what interests me is what is wrong with the mentality of US citizens that support Trump?  As a Trump supporter, just how many lies does he have to tell, how many laws does he have to break before you would even start to question your allegiance to Trump.

 

Does it not bother you at all that he and to a certain extent the USA as a collective, was seen as a joke by the rest of the world when he was president? Far from making America great again, the USA's international standing took a large backward step during those years.

 

One of his latest lies was to deny a claim that he sent covid testing kits to Putin.  Moscow has now confirmed that they did in fact receive those testing kits - Trump, as far as I know, has gone very quiet on that one.

 

In the UK, we had a similar situation when Boris Johnson entered politics.  Another proven liar, who divided the country and gained a criminal conviction for activities during his period in office. It took far too long but Johnson is now history. The divisions he created though, remain and it may take a very long time to heal the damage that man did.

 

Trump's misogyny is legendary - he claimed "when you're a star you can do anything, grab 'em by the pussy".......... is this the man you want for president?

 

This isn't simply about bad politicians, every country has had them - this about people who do serious damage to their country, its reputaion and its standing.  Its about trying to understand the support held by someone who clearly tried to incite insurrection on 6 January 2021.

 

What will it take to make Trump supporters come to their senses - what does he have to do? Will you believe whatever he says? Do you ever check out his claims?

 

The man comes over like a spoiled 11 year old every time he opens his mouth.  How did such a person win almost 47% of the popular vote in 2020? I just can't work it out. Can anyone explain all this?

 

I'm happy to take replies but please remember - this is not about comparing Trump to Harris.

[CallumWK]

To the OP, have a hot chocolate milk, then cry yourself to sleep. You better get used to it, because you will have to live with it for the next 4 years.

 

As to answer your question, it seems many see a similitude of themselves in Trump, and that your post not gonna change.

[MangoKorat]

2 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

You better get used to it, because you will have to live with it for the next 4 years.

You clearly don't fact check too much - even when the clues are in the text.

 

I won't have to live with anything - I'm not from or in the US.

 

As for your pathetic attempt at belittlement - why don't you try actually answering the questions ?

[CallumWK]

3 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

 

I won't have to live with anything - I'm not from or in the US.

 

Then I wonder why you consider it any of your business why people support Trump

[MangoKorat]

Just now, CallumWK said:

 

Then I wonder why you consider it any of your business why people support Trump

Why does it have to be my business?  I'm simply trying to understand why people support Trump.  I don't think that's a crime or has any form of restriction on it.

[riclag]

On 10/11/2024 at 11:51 PM, CallumWK said:

To the OP, have a hot chocolate milk, then cry yourself to sleep. You better get used to it, because you will have to live with it for the next 4 years.

 

As to answer your question, it seems many see a similitude of themselves in Trump, and that your post not gonna change.

Reality check!!

America has spoken !

 

[KhunLA]

To the title ...

 

... start talking, lying, catering to the special interests groups, like johnson, nixon, ford, bush, clinton, bush, obama & biden did.   Act like he could care less about the voters, and make life harder for everyone, just like the scum did that preceded him.

[Cryingdick]

If Trump breaks his promise to begin deporting a massive amount of illegals as quickly as possible this could hurt his support.

[BritManToo]

"Trump - just what does he have to do for his supporters to question their allegiance?"

 

Him not being Kamala Harris or Joe Biden is probably enough!

[Chwooly]

TL/DR

Just the title says it all for me. Most people have so firmly sucked up the propaganda from both sides that they are unable to think for themselves. While we are not allowed to use the commonly used term for the delusional behavior that those that hate trump are know for, it also applies to those that follow trump without question as well. I support Trump because I believe his policies are far better for the US then the opposite side and since I read and digest world news via media outlets that are not in the US. I convince myself that my knowledge and understanding is better then the left and the right that post here. If DOGE actually accomplishes it's stated goal and cuts government spending, If RFK is able to defeat Big Pharma and actually benefit peoples health, If the Epstein list is released, if if if, I don't really have faith in any of those things happening but I do hope they will and honestly the only reason I supported Trump is for those very reasons, The vitriol of him being a fascist and Hitler incarnate was fearmongering at its worst and it only made me push back at the ridiculousness that was being spewed and continues to be spouted by those people that have bought into the Democrats garbage as they tried to consolidate and hold on to power. Before when they thought they would hold on to the Senate they wanted to get rid of the filibuster, Now they say we need it. They are attacking Sotomeyer in an attempt to get her to resign because they are afraid she will die or become incapacitated in the next 4 years and they want to appoint a judge before Biden goes out of office. There are so many things that the democrats are doing or have done that are unconscionable. An 11 year old is old enough to decide their gender and get started on puberty blockers or can get an abortion in some places without the parents knowing but a 17 year old is too young to consent to sex, buy alcohol or join the military without parental approval. It's my body my choice when I want an abortion but if I don't get a vaccine I can lose my job, not be able to shop for food or work. So while I don't like Trump I still think he is the lessor of 2 evils. The clearest case for me was in the 2016 debate when Clinton accused Trump of cheating on his taxes and he responded with "If you don't like what I did then change the law, but you won't because your friends all benefit from the same laws I did" She was a Senator, married to a President and Biden was a 50 year politican and neither of them ever tried to change the Tax code to close the loopholes that she was complaining that Trump used. The 1 time we had someone recommend a complete overhaul of the tax code was Steven Forbes when he was running he proposed a flat tax for everyone and the screams of how it would only hurt the poor and would not benefit the country killed any chance of it succeeding when in fact it was and is still the best option to ensure everyone pays their fair share. So when you ask what would Trump have to do, The answer at least for me is is he would have to start implementing policy's that mirror Biden, Obama, and Clinton. 

Edited November 15 by Chwooly

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/12/2024 at 5:56 AM, MangoKorat said:

You clearly don't fact check too much - even when the clues are in the text.

 

I won't have to live with anything - I'm not from or in the US.

 

As for your pathetic attempt at belittlement - why don't you try actually answering the questions ?

Not being an American might explain why you know nothing about why people support Trump, or voted for him that would have voted for the opposition had they been worth voting for.

 

Your first sentence says it all about you.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Chwooly said:

I support Trump because I believe his policies are far better for the US then the opposite side

I don't know how many went to a Trump rally, but I suspect every one of those that voted for Trump, but don't wear the hat or attend his rallies are exactly the same as yourself. What the woke Trump haters don't understand is that for most they voted for his policies and not because they like him personally.

It's why I support him on here.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, BritManToo said:

"Trump - just what does he have to do for his supporters to question their allegiance?"

 

Him not being Kamala Harris or Joe Biden is probably enough!

+1

[EVENKEEL]

10 hours ago, BritManToo said:

"Trump - just what does he have to do for his supporters to question their allegiance?"

 

Him not being Kamala Harris or Joe Biden is probably enough!

Pretty much right on. 

[Jingthing]

Clearly for the cult, nothing.

 

 

[Hawaiian]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't know how many went to a Trump rally, but I suspect every one of those that voted for Trump, but don't wear the hat or attend his rallies are exactly the same as yourself. What the woke Trump haters don't understand is that for most they voted for his policies and not because they like him personally.

It's why I support him on here.

Sounds like a description of myself and many of my close friends.

[Hawaiian]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Clearly for the cult, nothing.

 

 

Wow, talk about being bent out of shape!  I don't attend rallies and the choice of my coat color is my business.

[MangoKorat]

On 11/15/2024 at 11:30 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Not being an American might explain why you know nothing about why people support Trump, or voted for him that would have voted for the opposition had they been worth voting for.

 

Your first sentence says it all about you.

I know what I see and hear. I know that he's been convicted of a felony offence and has other cases pending. I watched the debate on TV where he said that Haitian refugees were eating cats and dogs. I know that he incited the violence on 6 January 2021 and I watched the results of his actions on TV. I know that he has stated several times that Climate Change is a hoax and that he cancelled America's agreement to the Paris Accord. I am aware that he introduced a policy that separated the children of illegal migrants from their families. I know that he lied about the value of some real estate in order to facilitate a larger loan.  I heard him state on TV that the deaths from Covid would never reach 100,000 - they are currently running at over 1.2 million..............................

 

I could go on, there are probably enough lies, false statements and offences etc. to fill a book.  You think it matters that I'm not an American?

 

I am fully aware that some people who voted for Trump don't actually like him and I've heard the reasons they give.  Nevertheless, I could not bring myself to vote for a complete mad man like Trump and I have major problems understanding those who could.

 

Trump cares about one thing and one thing only - Trump! His entire agenda is populist because he knows a large percentage of the US population will feed off it.  A large percentage of the US population is then, uneducated in terms of politics.  That same sector of the population also seem to care more about their pockets than anything else. That sector can probably be framed by the views I heard during a televised public debate some years ago on ......is it Medicare - the one known as Obamacare? What those attendees were basically saying is 'why should we pay for poor people to receive medical treatment?' Their views on the subject were quite strong and although they didn't literally say it - the implication was that people who couldn't afford medical treatment should just be left to die or live with their afflications.

 

To someone who was born and has lived his entire life under the British welfare/NHS system - and who has received life saving treatment for cancer that cost far more then I could ever afford - hearing that debate was shocking. Until that point, I hadn't paid much attention to the American persona athough their gung ho attitudes have been well known throughout the world for many years.

 

Moving forward to the Trump era, I've learned even more about US citizens and the recent election results cemented my feelings.

 

I have friends from the USA - some of whom feel they have to apologise for Trump so I know its not the entire population. So let's not hide under rocks - I'll tell you what I really think - I think that a large proportion - possibly as much as 50% in light of the election results, of the US population are Selfish, increasingly Right Wing Lunatics that care only for today and the dollar in their pocket. They have no cares for the planet or what they will leave behind for their children and grandchildren. They don't seem to care about those who are less well off in their own country (even though its those people who labour for large corporations) as long as they can achieve the great American Dream.

 

Trumps policies may help those people in the short term but lets's see what long term damage they do. Isolationist policies have never worked - anywhere. Thankfully he only has 4 years so hopefully much of the damage he causes can be repaired.

 

P.S. The madness continues - just look at the people he's installing in his forthcoming government.  I'm guessing many will be questioning their voting already.

 

Edited November 17 by MangoKorat

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

I am fully aware that some people who voted for Trump don't actually like him and I've heard the reasons they give.  Nevertheless, I could not bring myself to vote for a complete mad man like Trump and I have major problems understanding those who could.

When it's a choice between a proven POTUS that Trump is and an incompetent, stupid, flipflopping, woke, sleeping to the top, warmongering woman that millions despise, what other choice was there?

 

No one cared about your little list when faced with the possibility of her as POTUS. If the Dems were serious about winning they should not have put up an unlikable idiot that couldn't speak without a teleprompter and was afraid of a serious interview for the election.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

P.S. The madness continues - just look at the people he's installing in his forthcoming government.  I'm guessing many will be questioning their voting already.

He's not falling into the same trap as last time and this time he won't have backstabbing, traitors in his cabinet.

 

[Jingthing]

31 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

He's not falling into the same trap as last time and this time he won't have backstabbing, traitors in his cabinet.

 

Translation: People dedicated to the constitution and rule of law instead of loyalty to one very insane American dictator. Yes, Trump will be without such guardrails. The shallow ignoramuses that argued that Trump 2.0 will be the same as Trump 1.0 will be eating crow and it won't take much time for that either.

[MangoKorat]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

He's not falling into the same trap as last time and this time he won't have backstabbing, traitors in his cabinet.

 

Yes, great - departments run and policies installed by people who have no knowledge of either the position they are going to hold or the sector itself. A bunch of Yes Men and Women.

[MangoKorat]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

When it's a choice between a proven POTUS that Trump is and an incompetent, stupid, flipflopping, woke, sleeping to the top, warmongering woman that millions despise, what other choice was there?

 

No one cared about your little list when faced with the possibility of her as POTUS. If the Dems were serious about winning they should not have put up an unlikable idiot that couldn't speak without a teleprompter and was afraid of a serious interview for the election.

Get over yourself - its quite simple. The majority of US voters have shown quite clearly that care only about the dollar in their pocket - today! Nobody in their right mind would vote for someone who suggests they use bleach to cure Covid.

 

My 'little list' as you call it - was quite clearly an extremely condensed summary of Trump's lies, calims and falsehoods.  He's even on record as trying to pressure an election official (a Republican) to change at least one 2020 election result.

 

The 'little list' is actually a very long list and the more you learn, the less any rational thinker understands the election result.

 

Trump's 'masterstroke', for want of a more fitting description, was that which he came up with during the last few weeks of his campaign - asking people if they were better off 4 years ago or now.

 

They didn't seem to stop and think about the effects and costs of Covid or the fact that inflation was worldwide. Blaming Biden for inflation is simply ridiculous. The US economy has rebounded from Covid far better than most, inflation is now falling and growth in the US is better than that of many countries. That will begin to filter into the public's pockets soon and Trump will claim its his doing.  That, in much the same way as he inherited a healthy ecomony from Obama and claimed credit for it.

Edited Monday at 01:29 AM by MangoKorat

[ElwoodP]

Post using Trump supporter slur removed.

[BritManToo]

13 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

I have friends from the USA - some of whom feel they have to apologise for Trump so I know its not the entire population. So let's not hide under rocks - I'll tell you what I really think - I think that a large proportion - possibly as much as 50% in light of the election results, of the US population are Selfish, increasingly Right Wing Lunatics that care only for today and the dollar in their pocket. They have no cares for the planet or what they will leave behind for their children and grandchildren. They don't seem to care about those who are less well off in their own country (even though its those people who labour for large corporations) as long as they can achieve the great American Dream.

So you think selfish people shouldn't be allowed to vote?

What about stupid people, can they have a vote?

How about the poor?

[cdemundo]

11 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

So you think selfish people shouldn't be allowed to vote?

What about stupid people, can they have a vote?

How about the poor?

Good points all.

The one that gets to me is when they say they are gonna work for "hard-working families".

What about lazy people?

I happen to like lazy people, they usually don't do much harm.

[BritManToo]

5 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

Good points all.

The one that gets to me is when they say they are gonna work for "hard-working families".

What about lazy people?

I happen to like lazy people, they usually don't do much harm.

And fat people ....... definitely no vote for them!

[cdemundo]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

He's not falling into the same trap as last time and this time he won't have backstabbing, traitors in his cabinet.

 

Why are you so interested in Trump?

You post a lot about him, but I seem to remember you are not even an American.

Why all the interest?

I'm not trying to mess with you I'm just curious.

[EVENKEEL]

31 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

Why are you so interested in Trump?

You post a lot about him, but I seem to remember you are not even an American.

Why all the interest?

I'm not trying to mess with you I'm just curious.

A large majority of posters from both sides in USA threads aren't from the USA. 

[pattayasan]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

A large majority of posters from both sides in USA threads aren't from the USA. 

 

Ya'll always gotta scratch that itch.