Thai e-visa in Penang

[Georgealbert]

 

In a startling accident, two female students were injured when a loose tyre from a 10-wheel ice truck struck the motorcycle they were riding on, causing them to fall and sustain injuries. The incident was captured on CCTV.

 

The accident occurred on Ekachai Road, outside the Samut Songkhram Polytechnic College in Lad Yai sub-district. Police Lieutenant Niphat Kosakul, a deputy inspector at Mueang Samut Songkhram Police Station, received a report of the accident involving a tyre that had detached from a 10-wheel truck and hit a motorcycle, resulting in injuries.

 

 

Upon arrival, authorities found the white ice truck, license plate from Samut Songkhram, with its rear left wheel missing. The detached wheel was located nearby on the side of the road. The motorcycle was found with damage to its rear wheel, and two female students, aged 17 and 18, were treated for abrasions and bruises before being transported to the hospital.

 

The motorcycle driver, 31-year-old Mr. Saman, stated that he was taking the students to Mae Klong market when he heard a loud explosion. Initially, he thought it was a transformer exploding, but then he felt something hit the rear of the motorcycle. He tried to keep the bike steady, but the students were thrown off, sustaining injuries.

 

The truck driver, Mr. Channarong, said he was transporting ice to a plant just 500 metres away when the rear tyre came loose and struck the motorcycle. Authorities have charged him with reckless driving, causing injury to others, and legal action will follow.

 

Picture from CCTV
 

-- 2024-10-20

 

 

[richard_smith237]

Just now, Georgealbert said:

In a startling accident, two female students....

 

Thats not an accident....    Its negligence.

 

As with the busses being inspected for their CNG tanks....  All large vehicles should be inspected properly... 

...  For Brakes, wheel fittings, tyre wear / quality, pressurised tanks...

... then of course there is the 'gas delivery trucks' - need extra inspection....

 

.... of course, only by inspectors who are not corrupt and not those will pass anything for some extra money because they are never held accountable for graft - difficult in Thailand.

[brianthainess]

Well thank god no one was killed, 14 people have died in various ways in the last 24hrs and that's just the stories on AN.

[MalcolmB]

34 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

All large vehicles should be inspected properly... 

That’s a good idea Richard.

 

How often do you propose large vehicles be inspected properly?

[brianthainess]

24 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

As with the busses being inspected for their CNG tanks....  All large vehicles should be inspected properly... 

...  For Brakes, wheel fittings, tyre wear / quality, pressurised tanks...

... then of course there is the 'gas delivery trucks' - need extra inspection....

How can anything here be tested properly when no one knows how to inspect properly ?, the blame lays entirely with the governments/transport ministry for not even knowing how to inspect properly.

  Go to any LTO and you will never see jacks, levers, steering, brake air systems tested/inspectors.

 You will never see a rolling jack as in the UK they only have one person doing the so called testing/inspecting here. The so called 'Transport Minister' could go on a nice Jolly to the UK and take a gaggle of 'testers, to learn how to do it, and buy a rolling jack for every province, I'm sure he could cream a few million out of that.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

That’s a good idea Richard.

 

How often do you propose large vehicles be inspected properly?

 

The law already states that commercial vehicles (lorrys busses etc) are inspected every 6 months.

 

The issue of course, is not the law, but the circumnavigation of it.

[richard_smith237]

Just now, brianthainess said:

How can anything here be tested properly when no one knows how to inspect properly ?, the blame lays entirely with the governments/transport ministry for not even knowing how to inspect properly.

  Go to any LTO and you will never see jacks, levers, steering, brake air systems tested/inspectors.

 You will never see a rolling jack as in the UK they only have one person doing the so called testing/inspecting here. The so called 'Transport Minister' could go on a nice Jolly to the UK and take a gaggle of 'testers, to learn how to do it, and buy a rolling jack for every province, I'm sure he could cream a few million out of that.

 

 

Absolutely agree..    Though, I suspect the testing knowledge exists here - its not as if Thai's are unskilled...  but the general absense of 'proactiveness' is the major factor - inspection for something that may not happen, is considered a waste of time.

 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

The law already states that commercial vehicles (lorrys busses etc) are inspected every 6 months.

 

The issue of course, is not the law, but the circumnavigation of it.

Do you think that is often enough?

What can be done to stop the circumnavigation?

[brianthainess]

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

That’s a good idea Richard.

 

How often do you propose large vehicles be inspected properly?

Well there is the problem, the whole system is completely floored, they don't just need 'Inspecting' they need testing, Thailand has no Idea how to test/inspect properly. I know we are not in the UK but when I was Examining  large vehicles, it was once a year. 

[richard_smith237]

Just now, MalcolmB said:

Do you think that is often enough?

What can be done to stop the circumnavigation?

 

6 month - its enough in other countries with similar laws and better safety records. 

 

What can be done to stop the circumnavigation of the law ? - better enforcement, police who are less apathetic... a solid anti-graft stance...    thats the on going issue and far bigger than can realistically be discussed in a thread. 

 

Ultimately - so many of these safety related issues in thailand require a 'step' away from the systemic corruption that is so intertwined with the culture here, a whole cultural shift is required for improvements in safety to exist.

[Digitalbanana]

I'm confused why the news presenter has to use twirling hands and fingers whilst explaining what a truck tire breaks loose means.

[MalcolmB]

5 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

Well there is the problem, the whole system is completely floored, they don't just need 'Inspecting' they need testing, Thailand has no Idea how to test/inspect properly. I know we are not in the UK but when I was Examining  large vehicles, it was once a year. 

 So why does it keep happening in the UK?

 

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/loose-lorry-wheel-hits-motorcyclist-9356196

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/dramatic-footage-shows-moment-pick-4415183

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36547717

 

https://www.trucknetuk.com/t/man-killed-by-loose-lorry-wheel/181525
 

 

[brianthainess]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Absolutely agree..    Though, I suspect the testing knowledge exists here - its not as if Thai's are unskilled...  but the general absense of 'proactiveness' is the major factor - inspection for something that may not happen, is considered a waste of time.

 

 

 

I disagree testing knowledge here is unskilled IMO, if they had the skills and knowledge, why can't they do proper tests ? They are not taught to inspect correctly and lack the tools, manpower, and time to do a correct inspection, go to any LTO and watch them give a cursory glance, nothing is TESTED.

[brianthainess]

15 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The issue of course, is not the law, but the circumnavigation of it.

And not having a clue on how to INSPECT.

[brianthainess]

12 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

 So why does it keep happening in the UK?

 

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/loose-lorry-wheel-hits-motorcyclist-9356196

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/dramatic-footage-shows-moment-pick-4415183

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36547717

 

https://www.trucknetuk.com/t/man-killed-by-loose-lorry-wheel/181525
 

 

Oh come on they are isolated incidents, not Everyday occurrences. They are YEARS Apart !

2024-2020-2016-2009. Plus good driving prevented a few deaths. 

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, Georgealbert said:

he was transporting ice to a plant just 500 metres away when the rear tyre came loose and struck the motorcycle. Authorities have charged him with reckless driving, causing injury to others, and legal action will follow.

 

For once, the driver appears blameless.

 

"He's a witch!"

"Burn him!"

[richard_smith237]

53 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

I disagree testing knowledge here is unskilled IMO, if they had the skills and knowledge, why can't they do proper tests ? They are not taught to inspect correctly and lack the tools, manpower, and time to do a correct inspection, go to any LTO and watch them give a cursory glance, nothing is TESTED.

 

Thai's can, just as people can in any other nation...   Thai's already have the skill set and do testing throughout many industries... International haulage companies do their own in-house testing (and driver monitoring etc), then there are the skilled labor forces of the oil industry, aircraft industry etc...   

 

IMO - there is not a shortage in skilled labor - there are just fundamental flaws in attitudes towards safety on a 'state' level....

 

As you pointed out, 'they'.....  (I'm assuming you DLT testers) are not taught to inspect correctly, lack the tools and manpower because authorities and those in positions of responsibility have been 'getting away' with being slack, taking bribes etc for generations...   This is systemic and endemic corruption tie in with a firm culture of apathy and lack of proactiveness....  

 

... Until people in positions of responsibility are held accountable - there will be little change.

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

 So why does it keep happening in the UK?

 

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/loose-lorry-wheel-hits-motorcyclist-9356196

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/dramatic-footage-shows-moment-pick-4415183

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36547717

 

https://www.trucknetuk.com/t/man-killed-by-loose-lorry-wheel/181525
 

 

 

Yep..  the 'it happens elsewhere' argument - as if to suggest its ok that such issues occur here in Thailand. 

 

Would you run a statistical evaluation:

How often does such an incident occur per year, per 100,000 lorry kms ?

 

 

Without digging up stats, I think its obvious that there is far less vehicle maintenance and far more 'corner' cutting' from a vehicular safety perspective in Thailand than exists in Western nations.

 

 

For anyone with an hour or so driving ahead of them today - they will witness numerous vehicles which visibly appear unroadworthy, we don't see the same issues with such frequency in the UK (for example as you compared Thailand to the UK earlier).

 

 

[edwinchester]

3 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

 So why does it keep happening in the UK?

 

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/loose-lorry-wheel-hits-motorcyclist-9356196

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/dramatic-footage-shows-moment-pick-4415183

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36547717

 

https://www.trucknetuk.com/t/man-killed-by-loose-lorry-wheel/181525
 

 

One of those incidents is from this year, the others are 4, 8 and 15 years ago.

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, edwinchester said:

One of those incidents is from this year, the others are 4, 8 and 15 years ago.

Yep, it keeps happening.

[Jeff the Chef]

As an ex-HGV driver from the UK we had a safety inspection every 6 weeks in depot and you had to check all wheels, tyres, lights etc on a daily basis and do a visual safety inspection daily before commencing driving, any faults had to be phoned in and documented.

Wheels still came off but it was always down to whoever touched it last, since about 2010, I as a driver would not touch changing wheels, it was contracted out to Tyre Service companies, whereas in the old days we would change spares on the side of the road.

[brianthainess]

43 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

As an ex-HGV driver from the UK we had a safety inspection every 6 weeks in depot and you had to check all wheels, tyres, lights etc on a daily basis and do a visual safety inspection daily before commencing driving, any faults had to be phoned in and documented.

Wheels still came off but it was always down to whoever touched it last, since about 2010, I as a driver would not touch changing wheels, it was contracted out to Tyre Service companies, whereas in the old days we would change spares on the side of the road.

I worked for a local council, (as a mechanic) and the checking and testing, of all the HGV prier to their annual test, would take longer for me to type it out, than the actual test takes  do here.

[brianthainess]

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Absolutely agree..    Though, I suspect the testing knowledge exists here - its not as if Thai's are unskilled...  but the general absense of 'proactiveness' is the major factor - inspection for something that may not happen, is considered a waste of time.

 

 

 

They need to do apprenticeships here at say a truck repair place, with one day a week at a proper Technical School, with Lectures who know what they are talking about,  I started when I was 15 yrs old, I was fully skilled by the age of 18 and they had to bring it up at a Council meeting as up until then you had to be 21 before anybody got full wages, I'm now 73

[ikke1959]

With improper inspections, and low maintenance, and lack of educated craftsmen, there is nothing else to expect.... Many examples this week already, and put the low  or non driving skills as an add and you have  multiple chances of unnecessary  accidents.. But as long as the Government, and the RTP don't care nothing will change

Edited 1 hour ago by ikke1959

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, brianthainess said:

I worked for a local council, (as a mechanic) and the checking and testing, of all the HGV prier to their annual test, would take longer for me to type it out, than the actual test takes  do here.

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