Suspect in Southport Murders Charged with Terror Offences and Producing Ricin

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The police  acted on the information available at the time. The additional charges were laid once they had enough evidence to support the charge 

 

I am not saying this is not Islamic related. it may very well be. However, in looking at this kid, he doesn't look particularly "normal".  I suggest that someone put him up to this and that the police should be  looking  into that as well.

I think they should look at his parents and their chums........😉

[James105]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not deflecting and yes one guy win his case the others confessed to their crimes.

 

Rather than rant at me why not vent your anger at the people who spewed hate online with the intent of stirring up racial hatred, Wayne O'Rourke is an example. It’s those people who stirred the hatted that encouraged a grandfather to join in at the front of a violent race riot, he was in prison because of the race hatred he joined and his own action.

Yes dying in prison is an awful end to an otherwise lawful life, but it wasn’t me who encouraged his actions that put him in prison. 

 

 

Let me simplify for you.  He was in prison because of a 2 tier justice system.  He has never previously been in trouble with the law and as his very first offence, despite pleading guilty and showing remorse and the fact the judge even said he committed no violent acts, he was thrown into prison for 2 years 8 months and killed himself.  If he was a muslim it is very clear he would not have spent one day in jail (as per the example I provided you ignored for the exact same guilty plea to the exact same offence) and would be alive today. 

[mokwit]

36 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not deflecting and yes one guy win his case the others confessed to their crimes.

 

Rather than rant at me why not vent your anger at the people who spewed hate online with the intent of stirring up racial hatred, Wayne O'Rourke is an example. It’s those people who stirred the hatted that encouraged a grandfather to join in at the front of a violent race riot, he was in prison because of the race hatred he joined and his own action.

Yes dying in prison is an awful end to an otherwise lawful life, but it wasn’t me who encouraged his actions that put him in prison. 

 

For some reason Nick Lowles of the Labour party affiliated Hope not hate is not in prison for inflaming the situation tweeting that someone had thrown acid into the face of a muslim woman and that mosques would be attacked in multiple towns. Likewise Jesse Phillips (Labour).

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a grand conspiracy and the evidence is another grand conspiracy.

 

 

Chomper you are no fool, although I strongly disagree with you on many things. You (and I)  understand absolutely how the UK government works. If you really believe that Starmer and his colleagues were unaware of the Southport Killers Jihadist tendencies during the period post the murders, then you are much more naive than I can imagine!

 

It is indefensible, you damn well know it is indefensible. Live to fight another day, or continue to defend the absolute indefensible and destroy your own credibility. If you carry on, then no-one is going to take you seriously on UK political topics again

Edited October 31 by herfiehandbag

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, mokwit said:

For some reason Nick Lowles of the Labour party affiliated Hope not hate is not in prison for inflaming the situation tweeting that someone had thrown acid into the face of a muslim woman and that mosques would be attacked in multiple towns. Likewise Jesse Phillips (Labour).

I’ll leave it to you and the other grievance addicts to invent reasons why that is.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Chomper you are no fool. You (and I)  understand absolutely how the UK government works. If you really believe that Starmer and his colleagues were unaware of the Southport Killers Jihadist tendencies during the period post the murders, then you are much more naive than I can imagine!

What a strange response.

You call me a fool on the basis of your speculation.

 

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What a strange response.

You call me a fool on the basis of your speculation.

 

 

 

I said you were no fool

[mokwit]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ll leave it to you and the other grievance addicts to invent reasons why that is.

 

 

The usual insult/smearing as per Bolshevik tactics. We already know, how come you seemingly don't?

Edited October 31 by mokwit

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

 

Let me simplify for you.  He was in prison because of a 2 tier justice system.  He has never previously been in trouble with the law and as his very first offence, despite pleading guilty and showing remorse and the fact the judge even said he committed no violent acts, he was thrown into prison for 2 years 8 months and killed himself.  If he was a muslim it is very clear he would not have spent one day in jail (as per the example I provided you ignored for the exact same guilty plea to the exact same offence) and would be alive today. 

He was in prison because joined a violent race riot.

 

He confessed his crimes.

 

And yes he had no prior criminal record, which only goes to demonstrate the dangers of inciting violence and race hatred, a previously law abiding man commits crimes completely out of his character.

 

Hold those promoting race hatred and inciting the riots responsible.

 

I’m not going to address your ‘I he was a Muslim…’  grievance fantasy’.

[mokwit]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Hold those promoting race hatred and inciting the riots responsible.

Like Nick Lowles, or does he get special exemption for trying to inflame tensions?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, mokwit said:

We already know, how come you seemingly don't?

Oh so no need for an inquiry, no need for questions in Parliament, just bring mokwit along, mokwit knows.

[mokwit]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh so no need for an inquiry, no need for questions in Parliament, just bring mokwit along, mokwit knows.

You edited out 'The usual insult/smearing as per Bolshevik tactics.'

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, mokwit said:

Like Nick Lowles, or does he get special exemption for trying to inflame tensions?

I would very much like to see Nick Lowe’s  face a thorough police investigation, prosecution and if found guilty should be sentence to prison to the full extent of the law.

 

Will that do?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, mokwit said:

You edited out 'The usual insult/smearing as per Bolshevik tactics.'

Sorry, I answered the question you addressed to me.

 

 

[sammieuk1]

Under the guise of you can't prejudice the trial of this filthy terrorist detritus, not even in parliament  the very place where you can ? This story and the Manchester airport attackers that Starmer and Cooper want you to forget is going to blow the lid for sure I predict a riot  🤔

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, sammieuk1 said:

Under the guise of you can't prejudice the trial of this filthy terrorist detritus, not even in parliament  the very place where you can ? This story and the Manchester airport attackers that Starmer and Cooper want you to forget is going to blow the lid for sure I predict a riot  🤔

I doubt it, the Police, CPS and Courts have already demonstrated their ability and willingness to deal with rioters.

 

Swiftly putting a stop to the coordinated violent and racist rightwing riots across the country in such short order was a resounding success.

 

 

[mokwit]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I doubt it, the Police, CPS and Courts have already demonstrated their ability and willingness to deal with rioters.

All of whom are meant to be independent of each other. IMO the convictions need to be looked at to see if they are unsafe.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, mokwit said:

All of whom are meant to be independent of each other. IMO the convictions need to be looked at to see if they are unsafe.

On what basis?

[sammieuk1]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I doubt it, the Police, CPS and Courts have already demonstrated their ability and willingness to deal with rioters.

 

Swiftly putting a stop to the coordinated violent and racist rightwing riots across the country in such short order was a resounding success.

 

 

In this case the wing was right not rightwing he was a terrorist he was Islamist not a mental christian I'm sure many future rioters will take more stringent identity precautions next time 🤔 

[mokwit]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

On what basis?

Guilty pleas were required in order to get the sentencing press releases and videos out quickly and also because with a guilty plea in all but the most egregious mismatch between the law and the facts* less burden of proof is required than with a NG plea and trial. Looking at the way these laws are written makes this possible IMO.

 

Pressure from the Police, possible innocent or malicious misrepresentation of the severity of sentence likely to be received by advising solicitor.

 

*a judge can rule that the case should not have been brought if the points of law needed to be met to secure a conviction are not met, but with a guilty plea they would have to stand out in stark relief for that to happen.

Edited October 31 by mokwit

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, mokwit said:

Guilty pleas were required in order to get the sentencing press releases and videos out quickly and also because with a guilty plea in all but the most egregious mismatch between the law and the facts* no burden of proof is required

 

Pressure from the Police, possible innocent or malicious misrepresentation of the severity of sentence likely to be received by advising solicitor.

 

*a judge can rule that the case should not have been brought if the points of law needed to be met to secure a conviction are not met, but with a guilty plea they would have to stand out in stark relief for that to happen.

“Guilty pleas were required in order to get the sentencing press releases and videos out quickly”

That’s a remarkable claim, I’ll not ask for remarkable evidence, rather any evidence will do.

 

Let’s see what you’ve got. 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

In this case the wing was right not rightwing he was a terrorist he was Islamist not a mental christian I'm sure many future rioters will take more stringent identity precautions next time 🤔 

You are perhaps unaware there is no legal justification for rioting.

 

 

 

 

[mokwit]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“Guilty pleas were required in order to get the sentencing press releases and videos out quickly”

That’s a remarkable claim, I’ll not ask for remarkable evidence, rather any evidence will do.

 

Let’s see what you’ve got. 

The strategy would be to get harsh sentencing news out as soon as possible to quell any further flare ups. I think the same strategy was employed in the 2011 riots.

 

This is my interpretation, again, what were you expecting, a link to a Home Office web page?. I have seen this interpretation discussed online by others.

 

I find it incredible how you demand a link for situations where it is required to make a judgement call on what went down. perhaps this is because as has been demonstrated multiple times you refuse or rare incapable of engaging in argument. It is either posting a link or demanding others do. Does it go over your head that in many cases a judgement call has to be made on limited facts????

 

I really don't take you seriously. You only seemingly look at one sides propaganda and then tha is your view, no attempt to look at other sources in order to get an unbiased view (such that this is possible).

Edited October 31 by mokwit

[Tidal wave]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are perhaps unaware there is no legal justification for rioting.

 

 

 

 

When your getting stabbed, your head hacked off, blown up your kids raped and slaughtered and your limp wristed PM and police force hide the truth and don't want to address the root Muslim cause there is. 

[BarraMarra]

On 10/30/2024 at 1:52 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

How is that misinformation?

 

It’s a question that was consistent with the available information at the time of asking.

 

 

His house was searched and your trying to tell us they missed the Ricin he had stored and the Al Qaida handbook he downloaded at the time he committed that Murder that day. They knew but withheld the information from the public and have only come out now and told us what they found at his property. The only reason they faced the press was the public finally started questioning of a bio weapon possibility being stored for use when it was ready. What was the final press conference answer from the head of Merseyside police ?  " We ask the general public not to speculate on this incident as it could have a bearing on this when it goes to court in January "   

[sammieuk1]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are perhaps unaware there is no legal justification for rioting.

 

 

 

 

I was aware Mulud but don't give a flying' 🤔

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

His house was searched and your trying to tell us they missed the Ricin he had stored and the Al Qaida handbook he downloaded at the time he committed that Murder that day. They knew but withheld the information from the public and have only come out now and told us what they found at his property. The only reason they faced the press was the public finally started questioning of a bio weapon possibility being stored for use when it was ready. What was the final press conference answer from the head of Merseyside police ?  " We ask the general public not to speculate on this incident as it could have a bearing on this when it goes to court in January "   

Again speculation.

 

You think ‘they knew’. 
 

Do you think the police are right to ask people not to speculate as it might prejudice the trial?

 

 

 

[mokwit]

17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Do you think the police are right to ask people not to speculate as it might prejudice the trial?

Starmer himself potentially prejudicing A LOT of trials when he called people Far Right thugs ahead of their court appearances and insinuated that their social media posts had provoked rioting BEFORE any causal connection was "proven" in a court of law? You would have thought as a former lawyer/DPP he would know better, or is he too incompetent to know better?

 

Police videos released online showing people dragged out of their homes and put in a cage were not helpful to the achievement  an unprejudiced trial.

 

IMO it has to be considered that these are unsafe convictions ( I am talking about the online incitement cases, not clear criminal damage/theft/looting).

Edited October 31 by mokwit

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, mokwit said:

Starmer himself potentially prejudicing A LOT of trials when he called people Far Right thugs ahead of their court appearances and insinuated that their social media posts had provoked rioting BEFORE any causal connection was "proven" in a court of law? You would have thought as a former lawyer/DPP he would know better, or is he too incompetent to know better?

 

Police videos released online showing people dragged out of their homes and put in a cage were not helpful to the achievement  an unprejudiced trial.

 

IMO it has to be considered that these are unsafe convictions ( I am talking about the online incitement cases, not clear criminal damage/theft/looting).

Perhaps with coordinated riots across the country the PM was being briefed on the online hate mongering that was there for all to see.

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps with coordinated riots across the country the PM was being briefed on the online hate mongering that was there for all to see.

 

   They were mainly peaceful protests and the violent thugs who hijacked the peaceful protests were nothing to do with the cause