Thailand grants citizenship to half a million people – but not farangs

[Rob Browder]

11 hours ago, AndreasHG said:

Generally speaking, smart people do not allow anything to be pushed upon them, nor to be "instructed" with regards to how they conduct their lives; especially on how many children they have. 

Smart people choose. Idiots are "instructions" takers (and usually become serendipitous parents when proper "instructions" are not timely given).

When it comes to Thai people, they tend to be in average pretty smart, and perfectly capable of deciding by themselves what's best for them, with or without 'the "save the planet" crap'.

See the "Millgram Experiment" - obeying authority.  The same sad (terrifying) result is found in nations with higher and lower average intelligence.  Most decisions are made subconsiously, then acted-on with a conscious "justification" created.

 

The messages being pushed matter, because whether us "black-sheep" types see through it or not, we will be run through the same corrals as the non-critical-thinkers.  They will even bash us if we don't "follow the leader" with them.

[AndreasHG]

1 hour ago, Rob Browder said:

See the "Millgram Experiment"

 

If you know the Millgram Experiment, you surely also know that each experiment lasted 50 minutes only, but you conveniently decided to ignore this fact.

 

If it has proved easy to push a person to obey for 50 consecutive minutes, in an unexpected and unusual situation, to antisocial orders, the decision of consciously having children takes a long time, sometimes a decade or more, and it is usually a decision taken by two people.

 

And it really takes a lot of idiocy to stick to a decision, we would otherwise reverse, for such a long time based on brainwashing only.

Said this, I acknowledge there are a lot of idiots around, for the simple reason that the idiots' mothers tend to be pregnant all the time (grasping contraception is beyond their ability). But I doubt they are so many to cause a demographic crisis, in Thailand or anywhere else for that matter.

 

Edited November 1 by AndreasHG

[Jenkins9039]

On 10/30/2024 at 3:18 PM, TaoNow said:

For many years now, Thailand has had a declining birth rate.

Problem for Thailand is a lot of half farang/thai kids usually end up leaving and rarely ever returning, thus the education (better) rarely seeps back into thai society - if the Gov were to give citizenship to the farang parent you'd likely see more remain.

[Presnock]

On 10/30/2024 at 3:18 PM, TaoNow said:

For many years now, Thailand has had a declining birth rate.

 

There is (legitimate) concern that, at some point in the near future, Thailand's working-age population will begin to decline. 

 

Anyone on this Forum has seen the emerging effects of this at gas pumps, restaurants, domestic-help options, etc.

 

It is too late to try to reverse the modern Thai preference for small families and few children.

 

Thus, in order to meet the near-term labor-force demand and need for eldercare, it makes sense for the Thai government to ease the way for migrants from Myanmar, Laos, and Cambodia to help fill these gaps -- due to the migrants proximity, ethnic similarity to Thais, Buddhist religion, and shared indigenous customs (e.g., Songkram, etc.).

 

For those of these cross-border migrants who spend a significant time in Thailand and can assimilate to the local culture and customs, that investment in the Thai economy and culture might be a viable pathway to citizenship.

 

It is a trend that we will increasingly witness around the world as some countries have aging populations while their neighbors are still "young."

True, this is why the US has traditionally be one of the countries allowing the most immigrants every year.  After all, almost all the US citizens are descendants of foreigners!

[Card]

Why expats want to become Thai citizens is beyond me. Just remember that with any perceived benefits come  risks, obligations and responsibilities. Those would be acceptable in free societies, but TiT. The small print is crucial.

Edited November 2 by Card

[StraightTalk]

23 hours ago, john donson said:

I am not crying for citizenship

I’m not either. However, it would be great if the Thai government considered easing the requirements for those who have resided here continuously - say, for five years - are of advanced age, such as 65 and older, and hold an appropriate visa with a befitting extension. Adjusting the immigration requirements to renew every five years instead of annually, with residency notification once a year instead of every 90 days, would be a meaningful change.

[WDSmart]

Too bad. I was hoping this would have been an alternative for me if Trump got re-elected. 

[LukKrueng]

On 11/1/2024 at 8:07 AM, john donson said:

I am not crying for citizenship, but automatic residency without all the 90 day, yearly copies, after a few years of residing or working... our wives got automatic citizenship if living in our home countries, but hey...let's keep showing who is boss...

What do you mean your wife got automatic citizenship? Every country has its own set of rules. If you want to bring a foreign wife to the UK you have to show about 90k pounds in your bank (according to a post I saw on an last week), I know it's easier for the EU but there's always a process involved and mostly not so cheap either.

In Thailand anyone can become a PR - all you have to do if follow the guidelines. You can also gain Thai citizenship.

Those 500k people that are going to get citizenship are mostly tribal people with no other citizenship, and some people from neighbouring countries that as was explained in the article share similar traditions and ways of life to Thai people.

Face it, Thailand is not an immigrants based country like the US, Canada, Australia and NZ. look what happens in Europe now, after they've let all those refugees in. Thailand wants to stay the land of the Thais and there's nothing wrong with it. Most expats that live here know that before they even come here and they still come.

[kiwikeith]

On 10/31/2024 at 1:46 AM, greeneking said:

A friend of mine was brought here from Myanmar when she was 2 years old. She is now 42.

Never having a Thai ID card she never went to school, Healthcare has been a problem and employment difficult.

She can not rent an apartment or a motorbike in her own name.

I hope she will get a card soon.

Under those circumstances as long as conviction free she should be a priority candidate for PR

[madone]

On 10/31/2024 at 4:42 PM, TaoNow said:

What would you do?

 

fok em all?

I mean aren't there enough priapic wunder geezers on the forum to sort the problem right out?  

Edited November 4 by madone

[Rob Browder]

On 11/1/2024 at 8:51 PM, AndreasHG said:

 

If you know the Millgram Experiment, you surely also know that each experiment lasted 50 minutes only, but you conveniently decided to ignore this fact.

 

If it has proved easy to push a person to obey for 50 consecutive minutes, in an unexpected and unusual situation, to antisocial orders, the decision of consciously having children takes a long time, sometimes a decade or more, and it is usually a decision taken by two people.

 

And it really takes a lot of idiocy to stick to a decision, we would otherwise reverse, for such a long time based on brainwashing only.

Said this, I acknowledge there are a lot of idiots around, for the simple reason that the idiots' mothers tend to be pregnant all the time (grasping contraception is beyond their ability). But I doubt they are so many to cause a demographic crisis, in Thailand or anywhere else for that matter.

 

Now, bring home the "authority" in the form of a TV, and indoctrinate them 24/7, along with what is "taught" in schools, etc.  "Experts all agree..."   And how are experts pay-rewarded?  By saying what those paying them want to hear.  This tends to function primarily as a justification system, however.

 

A big factor is money.  Those with very little are more likely to just have kids, because no hope of ever not being poor.  Ironically, the "middle class" creates a budget-trap, which discourages "expensive" children for "responsible" parents, who "plan for their financial future." 

[bigt3116]

On 11/2/2024 at 6:53 AM, Jenkins9039 said:

if the Gov were to give citizenship to the farang parent you'd likely see more remain.

 

No, what you would see is every digital gonad and whorist knocking up some lady, just so they could stay here.

[Rob Browder]

2 hours ago, bigt3116 said:

 

No, what you would see is every digital gonad and whorist knocking up some lady, just so they could stay here.

They could do that now - just get married first - not that hard to do.   Then, add the DTV, which is designed to keep those who work remotely spending their money in Thailand.

 

PR would be the obvious thing to offer to anyone here for years, married to a Thai, or supporting a Thai child.

[bigt3116]

15 hours ago, Rob Browder said:

PR would be the obvious thing to offer to anyone here for years, married to a Thai, or supporting a Thai child.

 

They already do offer it to all the above people?

[watchcat]

On 11/1/2024 at 12:49 AM, Drumbuie said:

But in fact it's the selfishness of the billionaires whose business methods follow the "stretch and squeeze" doctrine,  cutting wages and increasing profits for the guys at the top. That's why wages are low. 

 

CP group ?

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

7 hours ago, bigt3116 said:

 

They already do offer it to all the above people?

 

Yes, they do.

 

The stumbling block for many is the requirement to be employed at or above a certain salary level under the same non-B (or other visa that allows work) for three consecutive years and to pay taxes on the income generated by this employment.

Edited November 6 by Etaoin Shrdlu

[BigStar]

On 11/2/2024 at 8:20 AM, WDSmart said:

Too bad. I was hoping this would have been an alternative for me if Trump got re-elected. 

 

Fortunately, Thailand made a wise decision here in the best interests of Thais.

[BigStar]

On 11/1/2024 at 7:56 AM, AndreasHG said:

Generally speaking, smart people do not allow anything to be pushed upon them, nor to be "instructed" with regards to how they conduct their lives; especially on how many children they have. 

 

For example, this smart independent thinker: