Official: Trump Nominates RFK Jr. for Health Secretary

[johng]

 

5 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

What crimes pray tell?

If you don't know by now you never will !  Keep watching CNN they'll cover it "eventually". Perhaps after the requested 70 years...still in the dark ?  Yep thought so.

[candide]

40 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

What crimes pray tell?

In the MAGA alternate universe! 😀

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, johng said:

If you don't know by now you never will !  Keep watching CNN they'll cover it "eventually". Perhaps after the requested 70 years...still in the dark ?  Yep thought so.

Is it the autism from the vaccines or the worm, that’s telling you to make this stuff up?

[dinsdale]

4 hours ago, candide said:

Sorry if I misunderstood you. So we agree that the Covid 19 virus has not been created by the NIH research program. It's was not obvious from your posts as you mix plenty of arguments.

 

About the claim you just made, it is not true that the dominant scientific explanation is that the virus is man made. It's the opposite.

Wow! It's zoonotic. You seem very certain about this. I guess you can provide the evidence to support this. No one else has. The case for it not being zoonotic is overwhelming. Even Boris Johnson the ex Prime Minister of the UK has said that it now seems in all likelihood it was a lab leak. 1:14.13. There are of course certain sites that lay out the argument for the lab leak complete with citations to world renown scientists and research but sadly this side of the argument is censored. Maybe give this a read after hearing a Prime Minister say it was  most likely a lab leak.

COVID Origins Hearing Wrap Up: Facts, Science, Evidence Point to a Wuhan Lab Leak

https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wrap-up-facts-science-evidence-point-to-a-wuhan-lab-leak/

Johnson on Covid. 1:14.13

 

 

[pattayasan]

3 hours ago, johng said:

 

If you don't know by now you never will !  Keep watching CNN they'll cover it "eventually". Perhaps after the requested 70 years...still in the dark ?  Yep thought so.

 

There's not enough tinfoil in the world, obviously.

[candide]

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Wow! It's zoonotic. You seem very certain about this. I guess you can provide the evidence to support this. No one else has. The case for it not being zoonotic is overwhelming. Even Boris Johnson the ex Prime Minister of the UK has said that it now seems in all likelihood it was a lab leak. 1:14.13. There are of course certain sites that lay out the argument for the lab leak complete with citations to world renown scientists and research but sadly this side of the argument is censored. Maybe give this a read after hearing a Prime Minister say it was  most likely a lab leak.

COVID Origins Hearing Wrap Up: Facts, Science, Evidence Point to a Wuhan Lab Leak

https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wrap-up-facts-science-evidence-point-to-a-wuhan-lab-leak/

Johnson on Covid. 1:14.13

 

 

A GOP committee, you must be kiding! 😀

And a crappy source you cannot link...

Again, real scientific papers are not banned on this forum

 

And please, stop dishonestly confusing lab-leaked and man made.

[Patong2021]

Bad choice. At some point, when these poor choices start to negatively impact the US population, and they will, the people will turn on the Trump administration. RFK has no respect from the  vast majority of the scientific community . He still insists on a link between childhood vaccines and autism despite the claim being shown to have been a fraud.

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, candide said:

A GOP committee, you must be kiding! 😀

And a crappy source you cannot link...

Again, real scientific papers are not banned on this forum

 

And please, stop dishonestly confusing lab-leaked and man made.

Gain of function is humans tampering with viruses and the virus tampered with by humans leaked from a lab. Where's the confusion. You still haven't provided any evidence showing that it was zoonotic in nature and came from the Wuhan wet market. There's a good reason for this though. There is none. There are two choices and only two. It's zoonotic and came from one particular market or it's man made. You believe the former. That's up to you but I would guess you dismiss anything that goes against your belief out of hand.

[papa al]

17 hours ago, pattayasan said:

anti anti-science nuttery is always a good thing.

Whaaaa.?

Edited 8 hours ago by papa al

[rattlesnake]

4 hours ago, johng said:

let's hope so ,I also want to see them tried for their crimes against humanity along with their accomplises Fauchi  ,Gates etc

Long overdue.

[ModdaPunk]

LET'S GO BABY !!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[candide]

26 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Gain of function is humans tampering with viruses and the virus tampered with by humans leaked from a lab. Where's the confusion. You still haven't provided any evidence showing that it was zoonotic in nature and came from the Wuhan wet market. There's a good reason for this though. There is none. There are two choices and only two. It's zoonotic and came from one particular market or it's man made. You believe the former. That's up to you but I would guess you dismiss anything that goes against your belief out of hand.

Get informed. There were plenty of 'natural' viruses stored in this lab. That was its main activitiy: collect viruses (mainly from bat's feces) and analyse them. You are sowing confusion.

 

It's you who made a claim, and it's you who needs to provide scientific evidence.

 

You are projecting. Unlike you, I have no obsession and I don't care from where it comes. The current dominant scientific position is that it is not man made. It likely comes from the wet market, but there is no absolute evidence so it may also have leaked from the lab.

 

If the dominant scientific position changes and becomes that it is man made, so be it. I would have no problem with it.

Edited 8 hours ago by candide

[dinsdale]

5 hours ago, novacova said:

Now watch the vaccine makers stock plummet 

It's happening.

[pattayasan]

42 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Gain of function is humans tampering with viruses and the virus tampered with by humans leaked from a lab. Where's the confusion. You still haven't provided any evidence showing that it was zoonotic in nature and came from the Wuhan wet market. There's a good reason for this though. There is none. There are two choices and only two. It's zoonotic and came from one particular market or it's man made. You believe the former. That's up to you but I would guess you dismiss anything that goes against your belief out of hand.

 

It could have leaked from the lab but that would imply that it was created. That did not happen.

 

Only the Murdoch press and the NYP are pushing the man made theory. Actual scientists are not.

Edited 7 hours ago by pattayasan

[pattayasan]

15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It's happening.

 

Pfizer is up since the election, quite a bit. Moderna down but I suspect that is more to do with earnings because it's been dropping hard since May this year.

Edited 7 hours ago by pattayasan

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, dinsdale said:

It's the same demonising language used against anyone critical of the mRNA gene therapy. Don't trust mRNA jabs then you're an anti-vaxxer. Complete nonsense.

Agree. I refused to take the mRNA jab, and very happy I didn't.

 

Luckily the mandate to be double vaxxed was cancelled because of citizen refusal to be sheeple, so I never had the booster for the non mRNA vaccine I eventually had to take, as they were making it too difficult not to be vaxxed. No freedom under labour. I'm happy they got the boot.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Long overdue.

There would be no shortage of volunteers to pull the lever if they ever get convicted, but that is as likely as Musk being on his first rocket to Mars.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, pattayasan said:

 

It could have leaked from the lab but that would imply that it was created. That did not happen.

 

Only the Murdoch press and the NYP are pushing the man made theory. Actual scientists are not.

Apparently you never heard of gain of function.

[AlexRich]

So it looks like Polio, Measles and other such diseases are going to be making a big comeback. 
 

I wonder how many people will die as a consequence of putting this clown in charge of health? 

[AlexRich]

6 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Bad choice. At some point, when these poor choices start to negatively impact the US population, and they will, the people will turn on the Trump administration. RFK has no respect from the  vast majority of the scientific community . He still insists on a link between childhood vaccines and autism despite the claim being shown to have been a fraud.

Yes, claims made by a fraudulent doctor on the make. I believe his name was Andrew Wakefield. He headed to the US after he was exposed and censured in the UK. The Americans loved him for telling them what they wanted to hear. He ended up with an Australian supermodel girlfriend. 
 

The world has gone mad.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, candide said:

Get informed. There were plenty of 'natural' viruses stored in this lab. That was its main activitiy: collect viruses (mainly from bat's feces) and analyse them. You are sowing confusion.

 

It's you who made a claim, and it's you who needs to provide scientific evidence.

 

You are projecting. Unlike you, I have no obsession and I don't care from where it comes. The current dominant scientific position is that it is not man made. It likely comes from the wet market, but there is no absolute evidence so it may also have leaked from the lab.

 

If the dominant scientific position changes and becomes that it is man made, so be it. I would have no problem with it.

Exactly. The realities are there is no high level confidence conclusion as to where it came from, instead the majority consensus at the moment states it was as a result of it spreading to humans at the Huanan Seafood Market from wild animals there.

 

That said, this is not conclusive and there is still a possibility to was via a lab leak as stated by some US state departments including the Energy Dept with low confidence reports. 

 

What is important is to get to the bottom of it as it will help determine the fight against future pandemics. Whatever the reason it was for its spread. Anyone who dismisses one conclusion over another is just being ignorant to the facts which are that there is no high level conclusion yet.