Europe Braces for Escalation: Germany Mobilizes NATO Troops Amid Putin's Nuclear Threats

[jas007]

4 hours ago, James105 said:

 

The TV tells you this is a "fight for freedom" and Russia bad Ukraine good but really its a territory dispute and "don't park your missiles on my doorstep" dispute that should be settled with negotiations.  The problem with that approach is that nobody gets to profit from selling weapons of war, the war mongers don't get to experience the glee of seeing people dying at the behest of their corrupt leaders and its all a bit too peaceful.   

 

Fighting for freedom is fine and all when it is actually a fight for freedom.  This isn't it.   

 

Eastern Europe has been disputed territory for centuries.  This dispute is just the most recent iteration. 

 

Look up the history of Russia. 

 

Look up the so-called "Heartland Theory."  A theory put forth by a British geopolitical analyst named Mackinder in the early 1900s suggesting that control of Eastern Europe was the key to controlling the "Heartland" which, in turn, was the the key to controlling the world island, the central landmass containing over half of the world's resources.  Whoever controlled that landmass and its natural resources  could control the wold.  

 

Whether they admit it or not, that's pretty much what's going on today.  Western hegemony is at stake and the West doesn't  want to see Russia with all those assets.  Wasn't it US Senator Lindsey Graham that was mouthing off about just that?  The trillions of dollars of assets at stake? Look at Blackrock and their greed.  They already have contracts to "rebuild" Ukraine.  In return, they'll pretty much own Ukraine, but I digress.  

 

Once you understand the geopolitical implications, superimpose on that mess a bunch of crazy Neocons trying to turn back the clock of history and preserve so-called "American exceptionalism." At least that's the theory, but even those guys have been co-opted by the greedy warmongers whose only god is money. 

 

On top of all that, throw in Game Theory and global thermonuclear war.  Then set aside or imagine a disruption of the MAD principle. Mutually Assured Destruction.  A disruption of the MAD principle because people, by way of the crazy NEOCONs or because of pure greed, no longer act as a rational actor might act.  It all becomes a crapshoot. 

 

Then try to guess what will happen next.  The Globalists are playing dice with the lives of billions of people and perhaps humanity itself.  

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Try facing the truth, for you, probably difficult, as a Trump fanboy........🤕

Truth is come next Feb this war will be in ceasefire and Russia and Ukraine will be at the negotiation table. If you think otherwise then how about telling us what you think is going to happen over the next couple of months and what you base your opinion on rather than just slagging people off. A grown ups comment like most on here are capable of. Something tells me (you're thousands of posts and emojis) this is something you are not capable of doing.

[transam]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Truth is come next Feb this war will be in ceasefire and Russia and Ukraine will be at the negotiation table. If you think otherwise then how about telling us what you think is going to happen over the next couple of months and what you base your opinion on rather than just slagging people off. A grown ups comment like most on here are capable of. Something tells me (you're thousands of posts and emojis) this is something you are not capable of doing.

There you go, have nothing but a personal attack, very strange habit you have.....🤕

I do NOT guess like you, so I have NO comment on what's going to happen in the next couple of months, though you have said Trump WILL stop the war in 24 hours, a wild guess, as usual, even the Russian speaker laughed at the 24 hour thing......😉

[WayWokeWhiteGuy]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

There you go, have nothing but a personal attack, very strange habit you have.....🤕

I do NOT guess like you, so I have NO comment on what's going to happen in the next couple of months, though you have said Trump WILL stop the war in 24 hours, a wild guess, as usual, even the Russian speaker laughed at the 24 hour thing......😉

Trump is a lying fascist Putin bootlicker

[transam]

1 minute ago, WayWokeWhiteGuy said:

Trump is a lying fascist Putin bootlicker

Indeed, some of us know that, Putin, and the N.Korean bloke, Trump actually thinks he has them in his hand, so funny.........🤭

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Again with the 10,000 DPRK troops. This is a very, very tiny number of troops that don't speak Russian and their training for fighting in the region is questionable and as it is there is zero evidence they are even involved in combat. Russia is losing more than a 1000 fighters a day. a massive amount of lives lost. This lot could be wiped out in less than 2 weeks. No possible way can they been seen as any real threat. It's a smokescreen. What's happening now with ATACMS and Storms Shadows being sanctioned for use in Kursk is to try and sure up the territory held in Kursk by Ukraine by taking out and disrupting Russian supplies. This will then obviously be used as a bargaining chip when the two sides are brought to the table to negotiate. 

Bringing in thousands of soldiers from another country to attack Ukraine is an act of escalation.

[James105]

25 minutes ago, jas007 said:

The trillions of dollars of assets at stake? Look at Blackrock and their greed.  They already have contracts to "rebuild" Ukraine.  In return, they'll pretty much own Ukraine, but I digress.  

 

Once you understand the geopolitical implications, superimpose on that mess a bunch of crazy Neocons trying to turn back the clock of history and preserve so-called "American exceptionalism." At least that's the theory, but even those guys have been co-opted by the greedy warmongers whose only god is money.

 

Indeed.  It's no coincidence that Labour in the UK are partnering with Blackrock now and want to keep funding this war using taxpayers money on their behalf.  More destruction = more profits.   I'm starting to think that the UK Labour government are just trolling at this point to see how far they can push the citizens of the UK before there really is civil war there. 

 

 

[mogandave]

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Bringing in thousands of soldiers from another country to attack Ukraine is an act of escalation.

How? 

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, transam said:

It's pointless, the bloke worries about money, not innocent lives.............🥴

if you were worried about innocent lives you wouldn't be egging the war on from your armchair, you'd be calling for peace, ceasefire and negotiations, but you dont. 

 

you tell others to go to Russia, why don't you goto Ukraine, help with the fight directly....there is a member on the other thread looking for volunteers.

[frank83628]

27 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Indeed.  It's no coincidence that Labour in the UK are partnering with Blackrock now and want to keep funding this war using taxpayers money on their behalf.  More destruction = more profits.   I'm starting to think that the UK Labour government are just trolling at this point to see how far they can push the citizens of the UK before there really is civil war there. 

 

 

the UK citizens won't do anything. they moan for a week, then get back on with Eastenders and strictly come dancing. the UK needs Guy Fawkes 2024. mind you, so do most countries. 

[transam]

31 minutes ago, mogandave said:

How? 

Duuuuuuuuuuuuh...................😬

[WorriedNoodle]

15 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Oh dear oh dear oh dear, it's all going wrong for the proponents of the proxy war.

 

This is what escalation looks like folks, and if some people don't stop poking the Bear it's going to be nuclear winter.

I guess the leaders of Europe that have been front and center in the fiasco have comfy bunkers to hide in when it all goes poof, unlike the serfs they pretend to represent.

 

The opinion you shared certainly seems infantile and problematic for several reasons:

1. Victim-blaming: The comment suggests that the current tensions in Ukraine are the fault of those who are supporting Ukraine in its defense against Russian aggression, rather than the fault of Russia itself. This is a form of victim-blaming, which shifts the responsibility for the conflict away from the aggressor and onto the victim.
2. Minimizing the threat of Russian aggression: The comment refers to Russia as a "Bear" that is being poked, which minimizes the very real threat that Russia poses to Ukraine and to European security more broadly. This kind of language can make it easier to excuse or justify Russian aggression, rather than holding Russia accountable for its obscene actions.
3. Fear-mongering: The comment also engages in fear-mongering by suggesting that continued support for Ukraine could lead to a nuclear war. While it's important to be aware of the risks of escalation, this kind of language is hyperbolic and alarmist, and can be used to justify inaction or appeasement. What's it feel like being an appeaser?

[transam]

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

if you were worried about innocent lives you wouldn't be egging the war on from your armchair, you'd be calling for peace, ceasefire and negotiations, but you dont. 

 

you tell others to go to Russia, why don't you goto Ukraine, help with the fight directly....there is a member on the other thread looking for volunteers.

1. Because I know you cannot deal with a Hitler type people or folk like you.....

2. Because Westerners backing a tyrant should do the right thing and join them, I don't back a tyrant.

3. There are no Western country military boots on the ground fighting for Ukraine, you should know that.

4. At my age I would be given a chair and sandwich, but you have no balls to go help your hero out, is my guess.

[frank83628]

 Imagine if it were Trump. 

[transam]

Just now, frank83628 said:

 Imagine if it were Trump. 

More nonsense, the USA is firing nothing, the N.Koreans are........🤗

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, transam said:

More nonsense, the USA is firing nothing, the N.Koreans are........🤗

They fired 8 the other day.

[transam]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

They fired 8 the other day.

USA military or Ukrainians.........?   😊

[dinsdale]

35 minutes ago, transam said:

We, reading your posts is quite enough..........

Again you fail to answer a question. Here it is again. What do you think will happen in the next two months and what do you base this on? It's a pretty straight forward question. Example answers. There will be total nuclear war because ....... Things will pretty much remain a stale mate because .......... Biden will escalate things even more because ......... Putin will escalate things even more because ..........  It's not difficult to give an opinion based on some sort of basis of your thinking. Saying you grew up in a middle class family and had good lawns probably isn't good enough.

[transam]

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Again you fail to answer a question. Here it is again. What do you think will happen in the next two months and what do you base this on? It's a pretty straight forward question. Example answers. There will be total nuclear war because ....... Things will pretty much remain a stale mate because .......... Biden will escalate things even more because ......... Putin will escalate things even more because ..........  It's not difficult to give an opinion based on some sort of basis of your thinking. Saying you grew up in a middle class family and had good lawns probably isn't good enough.

You obviously did not understand my written words, but you keep on with your guessing as being facts, don't you realise that..................🥴

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Bringing in thousands of soldiers from another country to attack Ukraine is an act of escalation.

Again absolute rubbish. Please provide any evidence that these North Korean troops are actively engaged in combat. You won't be able to because they're not. As for attacking Ukraine do you actually know what you are saying? They are in Kursk and last I knew the Kursk Oblast is in Russia.

[candide]

36 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

 Imagine if it were Trump. 

More B.S. MAGA propaganda....

[transam]

11 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Again absolute rubbish. Please provide any evidence that these North Korean troops are actively engaged in combat. You won't be able to because they're not. As for attacking Ukraine do you actually know what you are saying? They are in Kursk and last I knew the Kursk Oblast is in Russia.

Are there N.K. soldiers in Kursk wearing Russian uniforms and armed........?   🤔

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You obviously did not understand my written words, but you keep on with your guessing as being facts, don't you realise that..................🥴

I fully understand (most of the times) your written words but you still haven't answered the question. Here you go. In a hundred words or less tell everyone on here what you think will happen in the next two months and why? No deflections and no ad hominem attacks. Just an answer. Not difficult. It's your opinion based what you think will happen and why. I'm asking you an honest question. I really don't understand your reticence to do this. There have been some excellent posts on this thread so far that are well thought out and rational. Surely you can do the same.

As for my guessing as being facts what do you mean? Maybe you can post some examples of this. Is it a guess that the North Korean troops don't speak Russian and are poorly trained to fight in Kursk. Sure it is. But it makes more sense than 10,000 DPRK troops able to speak Russian that are highly trained. Why would Kim Jong Un send specialist troops as cannon fodder? This is an example of backing up a statement with some rational and logical thought.

Now it's your turn. 

Can you in a hundred words or less tell everyone on here what you think will happen in the next two months in the Russian/Ukraine war and why? 

Sure we don't really know because Putin's a maniac and the neocons and democratic establishment maybe intent on escalating things further but it would be nice to know what you actually think as opposed to your usual replies. 

Please note the civility of my post.

 

 

[dinsdale]

13 minutes ago, transam said:

Are there N.K. soldiers in Kursk wearing Russian uniforms and armed........?   🤔

Not sure about the uniforms but yes there are. In the scheme of things a very small number. The question is where are they and what are they doing? As for being armed well they are soldiers. Part of an armed force so I guess they are.

[transam]

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I fully understand (most of the times) your written words but you still haven't answered the question. Here you go. In a hundred words or less tell everyone on here what you think will happen in the next two months and why? No deflections and no ad hominem attacks. Just an answer. Not difficult. It's your opinion based what you think will happen and why. I'm asking you an honest question. I really don't understand your reticence to do this. There have been some excellent posts on this thread so far that are well thought out and rational. Surely you can do the same.

As for my guessing as being facts what do you mean? Maybe you can post some examples of this. Is it a guess that the North Korean troops don't speak Russian and are poorly trained to fight in Kursk. Sure it is. But it makes more sense than 10,000 DPRK troops able to speak Russian that are highly trained. Why would Kim Jong Un send specialist troops as cannon fodder? This is an example of backing up a statement with some rational and logical thought.

Now it's your turn. 

Can you in a hundred words or less tell everyone on here what you think will happen in the next two months in the Russian/Ukraine war and why? 

Sure we don't really know because Putin's a maniac and the neocons and democratic establishment maybe intent on escalating things further but it would be nice to know what you actually think as opposed to your usual replies. 

Please note the civility of my post.

 

 

More gobbledygook.......Are the N.K. wearing Russian uniforms and have guns....YES or NO......?

[transam]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Not sure about the uniforms but yes there are. In the scheme of things a very small number. The question is where are they and what are they doing? As for being armed well they are soldiers. Part of an armed force so I guess they are.

They are being issued with Russian kit, which means they have joined the Russian armed forces.

Which is an ESCALATION...

The West is supplying weapons, no troops. The Russians supply weapons to many, mostly undesirables...

 

 

 

 

 

[dinsdale]

Just now, transam said:

More gobbledygook.......Are the N.K. wearing Russian uniforms and have guns....YES or NO......?

Again you fail to answer my question. The conclusion therefore is you can't, you won't or your not smart enough to do so. 

One more time. What do you think is going to happen in the next two months and why? I was very civil before but as we all know civility isn't one of your strong points.

[dinsdale]

23 minutes ago, transam said:

They are being issued with Russian kit, which means they have joined the Russian armed forces.

Which is an ESCALATION...

The West is supplying weapons, no troops. The Russians supply weapons to many, mostly undesirables...

 

 

 

 

 

Ok but being issued Russian kit doesn't automatically mean they are engaged in combat. Again there is no evidence, as of yet, that they are. As for escalation I have previously pointed out that the DPRK has supplied tonnes of ammunition and weapons to Ukraine well before the arrival of this small number of troops. Basically they are one ant on an ant hill. As I said Russia is losing in excess of one thousand troops a day. Sort of puts 10,000 troops into perspective.

p.s. Still waiting for your answer to what you think is going to happen over the next two months.

[frank83628]

34 minutes ago, transam said:

1. Because I know you cannot deal with a Hitler type people or folk like you.....

2. Because Westerners backing a tyrant should do the right thing and join them, I don't back a tyrant.

3. There are no Western country military boots on the ground fighting for Ukraine, you should know that.

4. At my age I would be given a chair and sandwich, but you have no balls to go help your hero out, is my guess.

At least you admit to being old and past it.

 

[dinsdale]

The US was notified before the launch of the experimental IRBM which had either MRVs or MIRVs which it seems were not armed. Seems like it was just a demo. Putin sending a clear message.