ICC Issues Arrest Warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant Over Alleged War Crimes

[Patong2021]

9 hours ago, placnx said:

The Court took a while to issue the warrants. Around 60 countries are reported to have intervened in the matter. As Israel does not recognize the ICC and is not a party to the Rome Statute, the defendants themselves can challenge the indictment if they are ever sent to the Hague. In the meantime, they will have to be cautious in visiting any of the 124 countries who are parties to the Statute.

 

In the above quote the word "genuinely" is key to understanding why the Court has issued the warrants.

 

I note your reference to the term "genuinely" and draw your attention to past Israeli responses to similar actions. Israel has demonstrated that its judicial system does have a provision for punishing those accused of war crimes and has brought charges against IDF members who have violated the applicable code of conduct and has punished responsible parties. Human Rights  groups have been able to bring cases and to receive due process in the Israeli court system. 

 

The case is very politically tinged and rests on a complaint brought  by South Africa, Bangladesh, Bolivia, Comoros, and Djibouti.

A supplemental complaint was brought this year by Chile and Mexico. The first group is not known for its respect for human rights , let alone due process. The second due, are now lead by leftist political leaders, both of whom subscribe to the 1970's era liberation ideaology.

 

The cornerstone of the charges rests on allegations that the accused have intentionally starved and deprived Gazans. IMO it will be difficult to prove when the number of fatalities has been relatively stagnant for the past year, and when it can be shown that Israel has allowed aid convoys to enter Gaza. If one looks at the videos of people in Gaza as they detail their hardship, no one is emaciated or has the  appearance of being starved. There are lots of claims of "on the brink of starvation", or "Gaza is likely to experience an epidemic", yet no evidence of such a situation.  Yes, the people are experiencing hardship and it is obviously difficult living in Gaza. However, that can all change if the Gazans release the hostages and agree to stop attacking Israel. To be blunt, I would have done a lot worse than Israel if I was in its position.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

11 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The case is very politically tinged and rests on a complaint brought  by South Africa, .

 

 

   There seems to be some evidence that Iran paid South Africa to bring the ICJ Court case to trial 

[pattayasan]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   There seems to be some evidence that Iran paid South Africa to bring the ICJ Court case to trial 

produce it or stop lying.

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

produce it or stop lying.

 

  I'll find it later when I have the time to do a websearch 

[Patong2021]

5 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

produce it or stop lying.

 

It is a claim that  has been made from South Africans. The ANC is accused of having taken a donation from Iran in return for  bringing the charges.

The reason this claim is difficult to conclusively fact-check is because we don’t have access to the ANC’s balance sheets, so there’s no way of categorically refuting the idea that the party has just received a massive donation from Iran.

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2024-01-25-iran-fund-south-africa-icj-israel-palestine-fact-check/

 

The ANC has been asked to open its books  by journalists and the ANC has refused.

 

Iranian groups (who are opposed to the current religious regime) have also made mention of Iran's complicity.

A group of 160 lawyers, in a letter to the US Secretary of State, the Department of Justice, and the leaders of the US Congress, requested an investigation into the alleged receipt of bribes by South African leaders from the Islamic Republic.

https://iranwire.com/en/news/129348-160-lawyers-write-to-us-leaders-alleging-iran-bribed-south-africa/

 

At the very least the allegation  merits investigation.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, pattayasan said:

 

sure you will. You know the rules, you are just trolling.

 

  Here you go

Care to retract the allegation that I was "just trolling"

 

South Africa’s Gaza genocide case against Israel is funded by Iran – report

 

 

 "Shortly after announcing the case, the ANC faced near bankruptcy but unexpectedly secured funds after a series of meetings between ANC ministers and leaders from Iran, Qatar, and Hamas. These funds reportedly covered the party's nearly $30 million debt."

 

 

https://allisrael.com/south-africas-gaza-genocide-case-against-israel-is-funded-by-iran-report

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, pattayasan said:

produce it or stop lying.

 

   I produced it .

Please retract your allegation that I was lying .

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, pattayasan said:

 

You're joking, surely? You trot out an Israeli newspaper which claims Iran paid South Africa to lodge the complaint and expect that to pass muster?

 

   I backed up my claim of

 

"There seems to be some evidence that Iran paid South Africa to bring the ICJ Court case to trial "

 

   Will you be retracting your claim that I was lying and trolling ?

[Jeff the Chef]

Great news, about time too.

[Nick Carter icp]

Hungary have officially stated that will not abide by this ruling 

 

Viktor Orbán says he will not enforce ICC decision that requires court members to detain Israeli PM if he enters their country

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/22/hungary-invites-netanyahu-to-visit-as-world-leaders-split-over-icc-arrest-warrant

[Homburg]

This move by the ICC is extremely dangerous and divisive. It may serve to further polarise the World. Those states that condemn the ICC's move on one side, and those that support its move on the other. What will be very revealing is those states that do not support the position of the US The US is about to find out who its friends really are, and it looks like the UK is not going to be on that list.  If the US feels isolated then might it decide not to get involved in European conflicts and just leave it to Russia and Western Europe to sort out the Ukraine mess? Could it be that the UK's position on this makes the US's withdrawal from NATO far more likely, and with it the onset of WW3?  Are the battle lines for WW3 about to be revealed?

[Evil Penevil]

13 minutes ago, MicroB said:

The area has a very complex history,

 

Yes, it certainly does.  There had never been an independent kingdom, nation or state called Palestine before the PLO declared the creation of the State of Palestine in 1988.  Arabs living in Mandatory Palestine had been offered a state under the 1947 U.N. partition plan, but the Arab League rejected the plan.

What Israel took over on  May 14, 1948, was the territory allotted to the Jewish state under the United Nation's partition plan for Mandatory Palestine, which at that time was under British control.   Before the U.K. received the Mandate for Palestine from the League of Nations, the Ottoman Empire had ruled the region we today call historical Palestine since 1516 CE.  Prior to the  Turks, the rulers had been the Mamluk Sultanate; Ayyubid Dynasty; European Crusaders; Fatimid Caliphate; Mongol Empire;  Abbasid Caliphate; Umayyad Caliphate;  Rashidun Caliphate; Byzantine Empire; Roman Empire; Seleucid Empire; Ptolemaic Kingdom; Achaemenid (Persian) Empire; Babylonian Empire and Assyrian Empire. You have to go back to Biblical times and the Iron Age to find centuries in which people who were actually born in historical Palestine ruled  the region.  That would be the Kingdoms of  Israel  and Judah.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  .  

"After Roman times the name [Palestine] had no official status until after World War I and the end of rule by the Ottoman Empire, when it was adopted for one of the regions mandated to Great Britain." https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine

https://x.com/BryanLeibFL/status/1712594390445617178

 

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[Nick Carter icp]

5.5M killed in Congo. ICC: 🤐

500K killed in Syria. ICC: 🤐

500K killed in Sudan. ICC: 🤐

400K killed in Yemen. ICC: 🤐

300K killed in Iraq. ICC: 🤐

250K killed in Afghanistan. ICC: 🤐

40k killed in Gaza (half of whom are Hamas fighters).ICC: “GENOCIDE! Arrest Netanyahu.”🥸

[billd766]

17 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

How and when did Arabs acquire Gaza?

By living there for centuries.

 

When and how did the Jewish people acquire Israel?

[John Drake]

11 hours ago, Homburg said:

This move by the ICC is extremely dangerous and divisive. It may serve to further polarise the World. Those states that condemn the ICC's move on one side, and those that support its move on the other. What will be very revealing is those states that do not support the position of the US The US is about to find out who its friends really are, and it looks like the UK is not going to be on that list.  If the US feels isolated then might it decide not to get involved in European conflicts and just leave it to Russia and Western Europe to sort out the Ukraine mess? Could it be that the UK's position on this makes the US's withdrawal from NATO far more likely, and with it the onset of WW3?  Are the battle lines for WW3 about to be revealed?

 

Let's see. This is indeed a good test. Perhaps in response, the US should classify the court an international terrorist organization and subject anyone supporting the court or giving aid to its so-called prosecutors and investigators to US sanctions. Also issue US arrest warrants for the court and its members.

[Nick Carter icp]

59 minutes ago, billd766 said:

By living there for centuries.

 

When and how did the Jewish people acquire Israel?

 

   Jews have been living there for millenniums (Thousands of years)

[malibukid]

send Biden along with him

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, malibukid said:

send Biden along with him

 

   Trump will be back soon .

He won't stand for any of this nonsense from the ICC

[malibukid]

On 11/22/2024 at 11:50 AM, loong said:

The Islamic Republic of Iran must be rubbing their hands in glee seeing how many people support them in their terrorist campaign against Israel, based completely on the fact that Israel is a Jewish state. Will you still support them when they are invading your countries? Oh, I forgot, it has already started in many western democratic nations.

you have the facts wrong. Israel is an apartheid state. worse than S. Africa in human rights violation.  the terriost are Israel.  45K probably more men woman and children. they are animals. thank you Israel for giving us Trump again.  Israel is finished.

[Bkk Brian]

Sky News giving more moral clarity on this disgusting decision. Don't bother watching if you're a terrorist supporter.

 

 

[candide]

6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

5.5M killed in Congo. ICC: 🤐

500K killed in Syria. ICC: 🤐

500K killed in Sudan. ICC: 🤐

400K killed in Yemen. ICC: 🤐

300K killed in Iraq. ICC: 🤐

250K killed in Afghanistan. ICC: 🤐

40k killed in Gaza (half of whom are Hamas fighters).ICC: “GENOCIDE! Arrest Netanyahu.”🥸

Complete B.S.! 

https://www.icc-cpi.int/cases

https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendants

[G_Money]

ICC has no authority to arrest anyone.

 

Who is ICC going to send in after him?

 

Mossad will take them out the second their foot touches the tarmac on Israeli soil.

 

Love to see that clip.

[stevenl]

The disregard for international law from AN members is astounding.

[herfiehandbag]

On 11/22/2024 at 12:45 AM, dinsdale said:

Means very little. The ICC is about as useful as the UN. If Hamas didn't do the Oct 7 atrocities, didn't take hostages and doesn't use human shields this conversation wouldn't be happening. Hamas is an Islamic fundamentalists terrorist group that has zero regard for human lives be it Jews or Arabs. Makes no difference to them.

And the "highly respected international jurist" running this farce is a Lebanese Muslim - which of course means Hezbollah, effectively Iran.

[Bkk Brian]

8 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

And the "highly respected international jurist" running this farce is a Lebanese Muslim - which of course means Hezbollah, effectively Iran.

Its possible he may not be around for too long especially if he gets found guilty of sexual misconduct:

 

Internally, Khan has faced a backlash from many of his own staff in recent weeks over his decision to ignore advice from some of his most senior officials that he should take a leave of absence until the inquiry is resolved.

[loong]

On 11/23/2024 at 6:03 PM, malibukid said:

you have the facts wrong. Israel is an apartheid state. worse than S. Africa in human rights violation.  the terriost are Israel.  45K probably more men woman and children. they are animals. thank you Israel for giving us Trump again.  Israel is finished.

 

Israel is NOT an apartheid state. There is no racial segregation of Israeli citizens.

If you think that the barrier around Gaza is apartheid, that barrier is to keep the Gazans out of Israel. Before they erected the barrier, the Gazans would carry out terrorist attacks in Israel. I wonder why the Egyptians considered it necessary to build a wall on its border with Gaza!
Israel is not a terrorist state. Gaza has been launching missiles at Israeli civilian targets for years. Their actions on Oct 7th last year were just too much and they should have expected the retaliation from Israel. Hamas started this war and could have ended it long ago by surrendering and releasing the hostages. The civilian deaths are 100% the fault of Hamas!

[placnx]

On 11/22/2024 at 4:55 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Why did you fail to respond to the comment I quoted? It was referencing the relevant part of his speech. 

 

"I agree. The absurdity of the ICC decision. I have been on the ground in Gaza multiple times, seen all the historic measures the IDF takes to protect civilians, the actions of Hamas to get civilians killed/harmed, the fields of aid Israel brings in and Hamas tries to stop."

The whole WSJ opinion piece is propaganda, not meant to be factual news. So Netanyahu says that the ICC decision is absurd. Do you expect him to speak truthfully (except when he spoke at the beginning of the war advocating war crimes)?

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, placnx said:

The whole WSJ opinion piece is propaganda, not meant to be factual news. So Netanyahu says that the ICC decision is absurd. Do you expect him to speak truthfully (except when he spoke at the beginning of the war advocating war crimes)?

The whole WSJ opinion piece is propaganda

 

Yes it is to Hamas supporters  they would not expect him to speak truthfully either

[placnx]

On 11/22/2024 at 2:29 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No, Israel hasn't taken hostages .

Who the land belongs to is debatable 

And no , Gaza wasn't a prison , let alone a big prison .

Israel has the right to build wall on its border and Israel has the right to allow who its wants to cross that border

The ICJ a/k/a World Court says that the 1967 borders delineate the borders of Israel (and that the settlers must be evacuated ASAP), so the land question is decided.

 

Under legal definitions and examination of the circumstances, qualified observers have remarked on Israel's effective control of all Gaza's borders, plus sea access, and so some have likened Gaza to a prison.