BBC Staff Divided Over Call to Wear Palestinian Flag Colors and Keffiyeh

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

The key word being 'if'. That's why it's desperate - the desperation being all the BBC haters hoping that this transitions from a nothing to something they can really froth about. 

 

 

   This story is about a proposal by the T.U.C.

Do you have a comment to make about the proposal by the T.U.C ?

Should BBC reporters show a biased when reporting on stories ?

[Patong2021]

59 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I'm pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli as far as the conflict over their territories goes. As long as the wearing of the Palestinian flag colors by the BBC is just an ENCOURAGEMENT, I see nothing wrong with this. If, however, there is some attempt to PERSUADE or ORDER their employees to wear these colors, I am against it. Employees should be allowed to express their own political opinions on matters like these but should not be compelled to do anything like this by their employers. 

 

It is not encouragement. It is coercion  and  workplace bullying. It is inappropriate and viiolates the supposed neutrality of the workplace.

The BBC purports to be neutral and apolitical,  and it should not allow the advocating of a political position that is not directly related to the operations. 

The NUJ  has violated  every journalistic principle on non bias with this; The National Union of Journalists (NUJ), which represents many BBC staff, endorsed the event, sharing the call to action with its members. 

 

If people want to support political causes, they can do so  on their own time at their own premises.

 

[Patong2021]

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Desperate stuff from the Telegraph.

 

Is the  NUJ and TUC action justified? 

Was the Telegraph factually incorrect?

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

So only report after the event, not on the concerns of the Jewish staff and others that disagree and the imminent breaking of impartiality rules "if" it goes ahead? 

 

Got it, wait for the jews to froth first........

That’s the thing with fabricated outrage, the events don’t need to have happened, just imagine they have and get offended.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Is the  NUJ and TUC action justified? 

Was the Telegraph factually incorrect?

Showing solidarity with the Palestinians is wrong how?

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s the thing with fabricated outrage, the events don’t need to have happened, just imagine they have and get offended.

They are already offended and some have already left the union, read the links and stop your ignorant lame attempts at shooting the messenger, this story is in numerous outlets and no....not syndicated.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   This story is about a proposal by the T.U.C.

Do you have a comment to make about the proposal by the T.U.C ?

Should BBC reporters show a biased when reporting on stories ?

And supported by the NUJ who have members across all UK news providers.

 

 

[NickyLouie]

Britain looks like Pakistan so it seems very appropriate. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

And supported by the NUJ who have members across all UK news providers.

 

 

Do they also have the same impartiality rules as the BBC?

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, NickyLouie said:

Britain looks like Pakistan so it seems very appropriate. 

 

I'm sure we will have blasphemy laws soon enough.

 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-is-a-labour-mp-calling-for-a-blasphemy-law/

 

I'm also sure "BBC Verify" will confirm this is totally appropriate. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

They are already offended and some have already left the union, read the links and stop your ignorant lame attempts at shooting the messenger, this story is in numerous outlets and no....not syndicated.

Sorry Brian, I only pointed out that the Telegraph is whining on about a ‘possible ‘breach of impartiality at the BBC’ that hasn’t happened.

 

It also a ‘possible breach of impartiality’ at any other news organization where NUJ members are represented, including that formerly august publication ‘The Telegraph’, which chooses to bang on about the BBC.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Do they also have the same impartiality rules as the BBC?

I expect they might have employees who are offended by others showing solidarity with Palestinians, but in the meantime precisely which impartiality rules have been broken and how?

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s the thing with fabricated outrage, the events don’t need to have happened, just imagine they have and get offended.

 

   Who are the people who are "outraged " and "offended" by this ?

There are some people that oppose this proposal .

Some people opine that the BBC staff should appear to remain neutral when reporting stories .

   Cant you just discuss the topic rather then using "Outraged" "Offended" "haters" "Desperate" "Frothing" and over reacting ?

   "Should the BBC staff wear the colours of people who have committed war crimes and want a genocide against Israeli Jews" is the question 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

Britain looks like Pakistan so it seems very appropriate. 

You’ve perhaps never been to a Pakistan.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Who are the people who are "outraged " and "offended" by this ?

There are some people that oppose this proposal .

Some people opine that the BBC staff should appear to remain neutral when reporting stories .

   Cant you just discuss the topic rather then using "Outraged" "Offended" "haters" "Desperate" "Frothing" and over reacting ?

   "Should the BBC staff wear the colours of people who have committed war crimes and want a genocide against Israeli Jews" is the question 

I’ll use the language I choose to use thank you very much.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I expect they might have employees who are offended by others showing solidarity with Palestinians, but in the meantime precisely which impartiality rules have been broken and how?

 

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Sorry Brian, I only pointed out that the Telegraph is whining on about a ‘possible ‘breach of impartiality at the BBC’ that hasn’t happened.

 

It also a ‘possible breach of impartiality’ at any other news organization where NUJ members are represented, including that formerly august publication ‘The Telegraph’, which chooses to bang on about the BBC.

 

 

No the Telegraph is not only whining about a possible breach of the rules. You are just not reading it or the other links. Total ignorance to the facts.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ll use the language I choose to use thank you very much.

 

   Yes , but as you claimed that people are "outraged" and "offended" by this , I wondered whom you are referring to . 

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A baiting troll post has been removed, if a member is not reading the OP and ignoring what it says then continuing to argue points that it has already confirmed, that is trolling @Chomper Higgot

[koolkarl]

It truly amazes me how many people fall for Muslim propaganda. Their goal just isn't Israel but all non believers in Islam. No wonder politicians get away with anything. 

[Nick Carter icp]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I expect they might have employees who are offended by others showing solidarity with Palestinians, but in the meantime precisely which impartiality rules have been broken and how?

 

   Rule number 4.3.11 

 

4.3.11 Presenters, reporters and correspondents are the public face and voice of the BBC – they can have a significant impact on perceptions of whether due impartiality has been achieved. Our audiences should not be able to tell from BBC output the personal opinions of our journalists or news and current affairs presenters on matters of public policy, political or industrial controversy, or on ‘controversial subjects’ in any other area. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/editorialguidelines/guidelines/impartiality/guidelines

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Rule number 4.3.11 

 

4.3.11 Presenters, reporters and correspondents are the public face and voice of the BBC – they can have a significant impact on perceptions of whether due impartiality has been achieved. Our audiences should not be able to tell from BBC output the personal opinions of our journalists or news and current affairs presenters on matters of public policy, political or industrial controversy, or on ‘controversial subjects’ in any other area. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/editorialguidelines/guidelines/impartiality/guidelines

 

 

A rule that has not been breached. 

[The Cyclist]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Rule number 4.3.11 

 

4.3.11 Presenters, reporters and correspondents are the public face and voice of the BBC – they can have a significant impact on perceptions of whether due impartiality has been achieved. Our audiences should not be able to tell from BBC output the personal opinions of our journalists or news and current affairs presenters on matters of public policy, political or industrial controversy, or on ‘controversial subjects’ in any other area. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/editorialguidelines/guidelines/impartiality/guidelines

 

 

 

Forget that word salad

 

Pull the licence fee, let t sink without trace.

 

Then people like the TUC can scratch their heads until smoke appears, wondering why their BBC members are joing the ranks of the unemployed.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A rule that has not been breached. 

 

   Yes, the T.U.C has made the proposal that BBC Journalists should wear Palestinian colours when reporting and that would breach that rule .

  This thread is about T.U.C proposals that would breach the BBCs impartiality stance 

[WDSmart]

39 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

It is not encouragement. It is coercion  and  workplace bullying. It is inappropriate and viiolates the supposed neutrality of the workplace.

The BBC purports to be neutral and apolitical,  and it should not allow the advocating of a political position that is not directly related to the operations. 

The NUJ  has violated  every journalistic principle on non bias with this; The National Union of Journalists (NUJ), which represents many BBC staff, endorsed the event, sharing the call to action with its members. 

 

If people want to support political causes, they can do so  on their own time at their own premises.

 

I agree with your objection to 'workplace bullying' and with your last statement, but what should we do about people who wear a USA flag pin on their lapel or a cross or Star of David on a necklace in the workplace? Where do you draw the line? 

[Nick Carter icp]

The BBC began losing its impartiality ever since Rageh Omaar began reporting from Iraq in 2003 

[Tropicalevo]

Silly me.

And I thought that it stood for British Broadcasting Company.

Maybe it is going woke and should re-brand? PBC or MBC?

[Scott Tracy]

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I'm pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli as far as the conflict over their territories goes. As long as the wearing of the Palestinian flag colors by the BBC is just an ENCOURAGEMENT, I see nothing wrong with this. If, however, there is some attempt to PERSUADE or ORDER their employees to wear these colors, I am against it. Employees should be allowed to express their own political opinions on matters like these but should not be compelled to do anything like this by their employers. 

Outside of the work environment, yes. Freedom of expression and all that. Whilst at work, no. 

 

Political opinions have no place at work, unless that's what you're paid for.

[Scott Tracy]

40 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I agree with your objection to 'workplace bullying' and with your last statement, but what should we do about people who wear a USA flag pin on their lapel or a cross or Star of David on a necklace in the workplace? Where do you draw the line? 

A flag pin of the person's nationality is fine, religious symbolism, within reason is fine. The workplace has the authority to dictate dress standards, though, as long as there is no perceived discrimination.

 

a friend of mine is Sikh and wears the kara, the metal bangles. He has to take them off for work, or make them invisible to others at work by tucking them up the sleeves of his sweater...

[WDSmart]

1 minute ago, Scott Tracy said:

A flag pin of the person's nationality is fine, religious symbolism, within reason is fine. The workplace has the authority to dictate dress standards, though, as long as there is no perceived discrimination.

 

a friend of mine is Sikh and wears the kara, the metal bangles. He has to take them off for work, or make them invisible to others at work by tucking them up the sleeves of his sweater...

I agree with honoring a person's nationality but not their support for a nationality not theirs during a political conflict. I do not approve of displaying your religious preference unless the symbols of ALL religions are tolerated. I don't approve of how your friend is treated unless all crosses and Stars of David are also banned. 

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

So only report after the event, not on the concerns of the Jewish staff and others that disagree and the imminent breaking of impartiality rules "if" it goes ahead? 

 

Got it, wait for the jews to froth first........

 

Imminent means about to happen. You don't know that is the case, even though you inserted an 'if' afterwards, unconcerned as you appear to be with consistency. 

 

To clarify for you: a third party group made a proposal; a sector of the BBC employees said "we don't like that idea". End of story. 

 

As for the BBC, they may or may not have responded but article doesn't make that clear because it isn't interested in accurately representing the BBC stance; it just wants to further the murdoch agenda and stir up more angry old men to rail against it.