Title "Master" on Thai ID cards

[Flosurat]

I've been wondering for a long time why it says "Master" instead of "Mister" on my son's ID card. I've assumed it's probably another case of misspelling english words. But then on the other hand, Thai officials cannot be that dumb.

[scottiejohn]

58 minutes ago, Flosurat said:

I've been wondering for a long time why it says "Master" instead of "Mister" on my son's ID card. I've assumed it's probably another case of misspelling english words. But then on the other hand, Thai officials cannot be that dumb.

The word master is used in the UK to describe a boy!

From The Oxford English Dictionary; a title prefixed to the name of a boy.

[CMHomeboy78]

28 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

The word master is used in the UK to describe a boy!

From The Oxford English Dictionary; a title prefixed to the name of a boy.

It was the same in the USA when I was growing up in the 1950s and '60s.

I haven't heard it used for a long time... maybe it was offending some racial or ethnic group.

[lom]

40 minutes ago, CMHomeboy78 said:

I haven't heard it used for a long time... maybe it was offending some racial or ethnic group.

Indeed it did, in home showing videos they have stopped using the name Master bedroom and started calling it the Primary suite. Can't say Master anymore.

Nowadays when having two or more cpu's on a computer board it is said that they work in tandem but I think the original old description was much better - we said they worked in Master-Slave mode but that is not kosher anymore..

[georgegeorgia]

2 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

The word master is used in the UK to describe a boy!

From The Oxford English Dictionary; a title prefixed to the name of a boy.

 Scottie 

No wonder you make trips to Cambodia ,now we know why 

[cdemundo]

9 hours ago, CMHomeboy78 said:

It was the same in the USA when I was growing up in the 1950s and '60s.

I haven't heard it used for a long time... maybe it was offending some racial or ethnic group.

Yes, the more formal teachers at Catholic school would call the boys "Master Smith" etc.

I was in elementary in the 1960s, never heard it past elementary school.

[cdemundo]

8 hours ago, lom said:

Indeed it did, in home showing videos they have stopped using the name Master bedroom and started calling it the Primary suite. Can't say Master anymore.

Nowadays when having two or more cpu's on a computer board it is said that they work in tandem but I think the original old description was much better - we said they worked in Master-Slave mode but that is not kosher anymore..

I wonder if we can still say "master cylinder" when talking about the cars brake system?

I have just gotten used to saying "conjoined cat" for that local breed.

[georgegeorgia]

42 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

I wonder if we can still say "master cylinder" when talking about the cars brake system?

I have just gotten used to saying "conjoined cat" for that local breed.

I don't wish to get off topic slightly 

But watching that show reruns of the Bill ,I heard they were calling the old senior police woman Mum or was it Mam ?

[Sandboxer]

12 hours ago, Flosurat said:

Thai officials cannot be that dumb.

You've never stepped foot in the country, have you?

[scottiejohn]

9 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

 Scottie 

No wonder you make trips to Cambodia ,now we know why 

I have never been to Cambodia and why the asinine response?

[CMHomeboy78]

10 hours ago, lom said:

Indeed it did, in home showing videos they have stopped using the name Master bedroom and started calling it the Primary suite. Can't say Master anymore.

Nowadays when having two or more cpu's on a computer board it is said that they work in tandem but I think the original old description was much better - we said they worked in Master-Slave mode but that is not kosher anymore..

Thanks for the confirmation.

Spineless idiocy like that makes it obvious just how much the country has changed for the worse.

"You can't go home again"... the old chestnut has never been so true as it is now.

Bending over backwards to avoid racial offence often descends into farce. Even the classic Hawley & Hazel toothpaste "Darkie" was renamed "Darlie" after Colgate-Palmolive acquired 50% of the Hong Kong based company in 1985.

CEO Ruben Mark changed the name in 1989 insuring that no trsvellers in East Asia would be offended by a graphic depiction of a blackface minstrel and a name that was never used with hateful intent.

[richard_smith237]

Master is used for a male child typically up to 12 or 13 years old.

My Son's Thai ID card states Master Jonny Smith.

 

When our son was born, and we had not decided on his name, on the hospital records  stated his name as Master Smith.

 

As with many words in the English language there are also many other contexts for the use of the word Master, however, for this specific Op the Work Master is a standard prefix for a Male child up to ages 12-13 after which point he will become 'Mister'.

 

In Thailand, the Prefix "Master" (translated as "เด็กชาย" or "Dek Chai") is used for boys under the age of 15. Upon reaching 15, the title changes to "Mr." (in Thai, "นาย" or "Nai").

 

 

 

 

 

[VillageIdiot]

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[chickenslegs]

5 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

I don't wish to get off topic slightly 

But watching that show reruns of the Bill ,I heard they were calling the old senior police woman Mum or was it Mam ?

I was told It's Ma'am as in charm, not Mam as in spam or Mum as in chum.

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:

5 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

I don't wish to get off topic slightly 

But watching that show reruns of the Bill ,I heard they were calling the old senior police woman Mum or was it Mam ?

I was told It's Ma'am as in charm, not Mam as in spam or Mum as in chum.

 

Indeed... Its a formal and respectful term of address for a senior officer in the Police force or Military or professional setting and would be used in the same manner as 'Sir' when addressing a male. 

 

Etymologically the term originates from Madam, with the apostrophe denoting dropping out the 'd'.

 

As you pointed out... its pronounced Ma'am...  as in 'harm', but without the R, however, in formal circles the Queen would be addressed also as Ma'am, but that would be pronounced as in 'ham' (mam), however, the first address would be 'Your Majesty' then any follow up in converstation (if one took place) would be Ma'am (mam).

 

Its a funny old language !

 

 

[NanLaew]

21 hours ago, lom said:

Indeed it did, in home showing videos they have stopped using the name Master bedroom and started calling it the Primary suite. Can't say Master anymore.

Nowadays when having two or more cpu's on a computer board it is said that they work in tandem but I think the original old description was much better - we said they worked in Master-Slave mode but that is not kosher anymore..

What's this "computer board" you speak of?

 

Is it taboo calling it the motherboard now? I'll need to check on that next time I'm back in the fatherland.

[Liverpool Lou]

22 hours ago, lom said:

Can't say Master anymore.

Yes, you can.  Who do you reckon "says you can't"?

[geisha]

When I was in school in UK the boys were always called Master …….. by the teachers. Also anything that came by post . Another title you don’t hear much anymore is esquire . It was common in my youth and all my fathers post were  addressed to his name  followed by Esquire or Esq. 

[Thingamabob]

Not at all dumb. A pre-fix traditionally used in many countries, esp. English speaking countries.

[herfiehandbag]

12 hours ago, NanLaew said:

What's this "computer board" you speak of?

 

Is it taboo calling it the motherboard now? I'll need to check on that next time I'm back in the fatherland.

'Tis a "non gender specific computing component" now!

 

"Board" is also jolly suspect as well, due to connotations of "boards" being used to grade people's abilities and academic results, which is an inherently discriminatory process!

[metisdead]

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[LukKrueng]

On 11/30/2024 at 7:38 PM, Flosurat said:

I've been wondering for a long time why it says "Master" instead of "Mister" on my son's ID card. I've assumed it's probably another case of misspelling english words. But then on the other hand, Thai officials cannot be that dumb.

Very simple. Officially, the title for children under 15 years old is dek chai (boy) and dek ying (girl). They become "adults" at 15 and then the titles change to nai for men and nangsao for unmarried women.

Up until around 2010 Thai citizens had to get the ID card at age 15. Yinglak had changed the rules first to allow (and encourage) children get their ID card at age 6, and I think now it is required by law to get the ID at that young age, and that's why you have the master title (and I guess they use miss for young girls instead of the ms. for adults.

 

 

 

[kingstonkid]

On 11/30/2024 at 7:38 PM, Flosurat said:

I've been wondering for a long time why it says "Master" instead of "Mister" on my son's ID card. I've assumed it's probably another case of misspelling english words. But then on the other hand, Thai officials cannot be that dumb.

YOung people have always been called Master for young male and Miss for young female.

 

Mister and Mrs  was used for people tat are married or older.

[Wrwest]

Four Jacks and a Jill ... do you remember? "The official origin story, however, is different. As related by their female vocalist, "In certain mines the foreman is called 'Master Jack', and the song tells the story of a labourer who works diligently for this master for years and years and then decides to go out on his own and exercise his desires and aspirations as an individual to be something other than a labourer."

[stbkk]

6 hours ago, LukKrueng said:

Very simple. Officially, the title for children under 15 years old is dek chai (boy) and dek ying (girl). They become "adults" at 15 and then the titles change to nai for men and nangsao for unmarried women.

Up until around 2010 Thai citizens had to get the ID card at age 15. Yinglak had changed the rules first to allow (and encourage) children get their ID card at age 6, and I think now it is required by law to get the ID at that young age, and that's why you have the master title (and I guess they use miss for young girls instead of the ms. for adults.

 

 

 

Spot on. My kids had to go and get their ID cards changed from master to whatever the adult version is (khun?) when they reached 15 so they could open a bank account with an ATM card (a proper  adult' account I guess).