A very weird situation.  Coups are technically bad, but they got rid of Thaksin and Yingluck.  Coups are a threat to democracy, but also the elected government can seem that way as well.  🤔

19 hours ago, John Drake said:

This is how Xi consolidated power in China.

 

Thaksin awaits his Emperorship, the pieces are slowly falling into place.

None of the conservative parties will support this, Anutin already said it directly. Knowing who's behind the coups and moving the baton, this one has got no chance. And even if it would turn into a law, it would not have much practical meaning 

On 12/8/2024 at 7:10 PM, BangkokReady said:

A very weird situation.  Coups are technically bad, but they got rid of Thaksin and Yingluck.  Coups are a threat to democracy, but also the elected government can seem that way as well.  🤔

Also, the military factor, at least in some parts of the globe, might oddly be the factor saving democracy and some human rights. As well as secularism. Consider the case of some Middle Eastern and North African nations. Various Islamist parties and/or presidents, over the years, have tried to reach power via elections. Some have succeeded, some not. The succeding ones always presented themselves as 'moderate Islamic parties' initially, and were usually supported by Islamist-appeasing Western liberals and leftists (for a variety of reasons). In the end, it was clearly seen that, once brought into political power, there can be no (or almost no) Islamic movement that is truly moderate. They cause a variety of bad stuff, and the group of people most affected in a bad way are sadly almost always women. 

 

54 minutes ago, JemJem said:

Also, the military factor, at least in some parts of the globe, might oddly be the factor saving democracy and some human rights.

 

Does it save democracy, or does it show that some nations are not ready for democracy yet?  Which leads to the implication that democracy is not always good, if "the people" make choices that are bad for everyone.

19 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Does it save democracy, or does it show that some nations are not ready for democracy yet?  Which leads to the implication that democracy is not always good, if "the people" make choices that are bad for everyone.

Good question/point. 

 

All this is of course actually a deep topic. But I guess most of us would agree on 'Democracy is far from ideal, but it seems to be the best system overall' cliche. But of course, then, the 'far from ideal' part still constitutes a big problem. 

 

Anyway, by the point I made about the Islamic world, I had just wanted to present a different situational perspective. Of course, most of the dynamics here in Thailand are very different from those over there, mainly the religion factor of course. Also, some of you can call me naive, but I feel that the possibility of a coup happening again in Thailand has gotten to be slim by now, and, this will get nearer and nearer to zero, as time passes, I think. As I said, feel free to disagree. 

 

 

 

 

21 hours ago, JemJem said:

Good question/point. 

 

All this is of course actually a deep topic. But I guess most of us would agree on 'Democracy is far from ideal, but it seems to be the best system overall' cliche. But of course, then, the 'far from ideal' part still constitutes a big problem. 

 

Anyway, by the point I made about the Islamic world, I had just wanted to present a different situational perspective. Of course, most of the dynamics here in Thailand are very different from those over there, mainly the religion factor of course. Also, some of you can call me naive, but I feel that the possibility of a coup happening again in Thailand has gotten to be slim by now, and, this will get nearer and nearer to zero, as time passes, I think. As I said, feel free to disagree. 

 

 

 

 

On top of it, the Junta's constitution includes ways to make "coups without coups" and oust any government the old elite doesn't want.