Proof of address?

[Guderian]

Like many people, I own a house via a company, and for the last 13 years I've just used the latest TOT bill for my internet and landline as proof of address for Immigration purposes. I've never had any problem with that, it's worked like a charm. The water and electricity are in the company name, so those bills are no use. I know you can take a copy of your chanote or whatever and use that, but the TOT bill is much simpler. However, since NT took over TOT, they seem to be reluctant to send out monthly bills any more, instead sending text reminders to pay it online.

 

Is there a way to get NT/TOT to send you a bill? If not, then what is the best means of providing proof of address to Immigration if you own a house via a company? I suppose I could try and get the PEA to change the billing address from my company name to my own, but I've no idea how difficult that would be. I bank with SCB, but I haven't had any paper mail from them for years. Is there some other officially recognised bill or document with your name and address on it that can be used instead, or is the chanote the only other way?

[ukrules]

In the past I have went down to the bank and requested a printed statement for the last few months, this contains my address in English - but they can put it in Thai or whatever you tell them to put on it really.

This is with Kasikorn

[federicoP]

In Phuket I use a rental contract between the company that owns the house and myself.
The contract is signed by my wife as the director of the company and by me as the tenant.

It is the same rental contract that I use for the annual balance of the company.

[gomangosteen]

14 hours ago, ukrules said:

In the past I have went down to the bank and requested a printed statement for the last few months, this contains my address in English - but they can put it in Thai or whatever you tell them to put on it really.

This is with Kasikorn

This must depend on branches of Kasikorn.

 

Thursday I was at Kasikorn in our town requesting a letter that showed my full name, account number and address to meet requirements of my New Zealand bank and their new anti money laundering laws for when I transfer funds; branch manager said they "could not provide address verification".

 

Could only laugh. I opened that account October 2023 and they required my 'yellow book' plus a letter from NZ Embassy to confirm my address, as well as the house tabian baan (in wife's name) and her ID. 

 

Obviously only works one-way! Plan B I went to a Notary Public that afternoon, he signed/stamped a declaration for the bargain price of 2000 baht. 

[DrJack54]

5 minutes ago, gomangosteen said:

I was at Kasikorn in our town requesting a letter that showed my full name, account number and address to meet requirements of my New Zealand bank and their new anti money laundering laws for when I transfer funds

 

Out of interest how are you transferring funds to Thailand.

I use WISE for transfers from Oz to Kasikorn account in Thailand. 

[gomangosteen]

1 minute ago, DrJack54 said:

 

Out of interest how are you transferring funds to Thailand.

I use WISE for transfers from Oz to Kasikorn account in Thailand. 

Only twice a year - just use the 'old' method via my NZ bank they charge NZ$20.

 

I have fixed deposit accounts there from a property sale, earning 6.15% is more attractive than having money here; in terms of their new anti money laundering laws Thailand rates as potential 'highly suspicious activity' and I have to comply or they kindly offered to freeze then close my accounts.

 

Rules are rules, I did inquire whether they had anyone with common sense on the payroll, but apparently not. So I had to get yet another Notary Public (too far for Embassy) copy of my passport as the one I'd supplied was over three months old . . . third time in recent years  - I'm tempted to 'doctor' one and just add a new date each time in future. 

[DrJack54]

11 minutes ago, gomangosteen said:

Only twice a year - just use the 'old' method via my NZ bank they charge NZ$20.

Suggest you at least do a comparison test with bank to bank vs WISE.

 

Back to thread......

OP, have you tried to use your TM47 receipt.

That's all I required to obtain certificate of residence at CW

[phetphet]

If oyu have any accounts with other banks, it might be worth asking them for a letter or statement.

 

Have you ever applied for a Certificate of Residence from Immigration for buying a car or motorbike?

Copy of house book, Passport, copy of passport ID page, copy of visa, etc.

 

I wonder if they would accept a Certificate of Residence from their own department as proof of address.

[hotandsticky]

9 minutes ago, gomangosteen said:

Only twice a year - just use the 'old' method via my NZ bank they charge NZ$20.

 

I have fixed deposit accounts there from a property sale, earning 6.15% is more attractive than having money here; in terms of their new anti money laundering laws Thailand rates as potential 'highly suspicious activity' and I have to comply or they kindly offered to freeze then close my accounts.

 

Rules are rules, I did inquire whether they had anyone with common sense on the payroll, but apparently not. So I had to get yet another Notary Public (too far for Embassy) copy of my passport as the one I'd supplied was over three months old . . . third time in recent years  - I'm tempted to 'doctor' one and just add a new date each time in future. 

 

 

Still cheaper to use WISE for those couple of occasions.

 

As your transfers are likely to be relatively large the difference in the exchange rate will make quite a difference.

[Guderian]

I just got the six-monthly bill from Sophon Cable TV here in Pattaya. That's a well-known and long-established company here, and the bill has the current date plus my address on it. I wonder if Immigration would accept that?

 

[gomangosteen]

1 minute ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Still cheaper to use WISE for those couple of occasions.

 

As your transfers are likely to be relatively large the difference in the exchange rate will make quite a difference.

Cheers; I'll look at transfer options mid next year (on basis it's unlikely I've won 6m in Thai lottery before then)

[hotandsticky]

1 minute ago, gomangosteen said:

Cheers; I'll look at transfer options mid next year (on basis it's unlikely I've won 6m in Thai lottery before then)

 

 

It could be you!  🙂

[DrJack54]

3 minutes ago, Guderian said:

I just got the six-monthly bill from Sophon Cable TV here in Pattaya.

What are you needing for immigration. TM30? 

An agent may be able to assist.

 

[Banana7]

Internet bill has been accepted by immigration.

 

[DrJack54]

9 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

Internet bill has been accepted by immigration.

 

Accepted by immigration for what?

The OP has not mentioned what he needs proof of address for.

For example to obtain TDL, COR, TM30 etc etc

[Guderian]

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

Accepted by immigration for what?

The OP has not mentioned what he needs proof of address for.

For example to obtain TDL, COR, TM30 etc etc

 It's for the annual retirement extension. My TOT internet bill has always been accepted in the past, but the most recent one from NT is six months old and I'm worried that the IO may decide it's too old.

[DrJack54]

5 minutes ago, Guderian said:

It's for the annual retirement extension.

My most recent extension (Nov 5 at CW) was the first time I ever obtained a TM30 for extension.

Would your immigration office accept a TM47 receipt. 

 

[Hamus Yaigh]

19 hours ago, Guderian said:

I know you can take a copy of your chanote or whatever and use that, but the TOT bill is much simpler. However, since NT took over TOT, they seem to be reluctant to send out monthly bills any more, instead sending text reminders to pay it online.

So if you know a chanote is an option and TOT bill is not so easy now, why not use the chanote? That's what I do along with a yellow book. Never ever used utility bills for immigration myself.

[Guderian]

2 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

That's what I do along with a yellow book

 

Very difficult to get in Pattaya, it's been discussed many times there. How hard can it be simply to get an official document with your name and address on it once a year?

[Robin]

If you have a permanent address in Thailand, you can get a "Tambian Bann"  or "yellow Book" which is an official Thai doc saying where you live.  I believe that it also gets you into national parks at the Thai Rate.

Apply at your local land office.

[topt]

3 hours ago, Guderian said:

 It's for the annual retirement extension. My TOT internet bill has always been accepted in the past, but the most recent one from NT is six months old and I'm worried that the IO may decide it's too old.

I have used True bills in the past but now all online. I think I used a copy of my driving licence last time. 

I think you should be ok however with a 6 month old NT bill.

You could go and ask in advance and see what they say?

[kingstonkid]

23 hours ago, Guderian said:

Like many people, I own a house via a company, and for the last 13 years I've just used the latest TOT bill for my internet and landline as proof of address for Immigration purposes. I've never had any problem with that, it's worked like a charm. The water and electricity are in the company name, so those bills are no use. I know you can take a copy of your chanote or whatever and use that, but the TOT bill is much simpler. However, since NT took over TOT, they seem to be reluctant to send out monthly bills any more, instead sending text reminders to pay it online.

 

Is there a way to get NT/TOT to send you a bill? If not, then what is the best means of providing proof of address to Immigration if you own a house via a company? I suppose I could try and get the PEA to change the billing address from my company name to my own, but I've no idea how difficult that would be. I bank with SCB, but I haven't had any paper mail from them for years. Is there some other officially recognised bill or document with your name and address on it that can be used instead, or is the chanote the only other way?

Simple sign a rental agreement with the company 

[ukrules]

8 hours ago, gomangosteen said:

This must depend on branches of Kasikorn.

 

Thursday I was at Kasikorn in our town requesting a letter that showed my full name, account number and address to meet requirements of my New Zealand bank and their new anti money laundering laws for when I transfer funds; branch manager said they "could not provide address verification".

 

Could only laugh. I opened that account October 2023 and they required my 'yellow book' plus a letter from NZ Embassy to confirm my address, as well as the house tabian baan (in wife's name) and her ID. 

 

Obviously only works one-way! Plan B I went to a Notary Public that afternoon, he signed/stamped a declaration for the bargain price of 2000 baht. 

 

Interesting, when I went to the bank I did not ask for address verification.

 

I first asked them to change my address to English which they did to my satisfaction, I had also changed address but it was in Thai so I told them to put it in English which they did.

Then I asked for a printed statement for the last 3 months which they provided.
 

I mentioned nothing about address verification as a bank statement with my address in English was the only requirement.

 

I then used the printed statement with English language address for a foreign financial institution which accepts bank statements for their KYC process and I used it multiple times inside the same week while it was still fresh.

No need to complicate things by telling them what you're going to use it for. If they accept a bank statement then that's good enough.

Perhaps this is the difference here.

Of course whether immigration will accept it is anyones guess but you can get it printed at the bank as a proper statement contains the address.

[NativeBob]

1 hour ago, kingstonkid said:

Simple sign a rental agreement with the company 

The best and [I think] most efficient solution. 

Sophon Cable? seriously? It is private company, not even PLC. Like a bill from local papa-mama grocery shop.

[Caldera]

56 minutes ago, ukrules said:

I first asked them to change my address to English which they did to my satisfaction, I had also changed address but it was in Thai so I told them to put it in English which they did.

 

I need to do the same. Did Kasikorn Bank ask you for any documents confirming your new address in order to change it in their system?

 

I could give or show them things like a TM30 receipt, my Thai driving license - but I have no idea what if anything is required. When I opened my accounts, I just told them my address without having to prove it.

[SAFETY FIRST]

On 12/13/2024 at 4:26 PM, Guderian said:

Like many people, I own a house via a company, and for the last 13 years I've just used the latest TOT bill for my internet and landline as proof of address for Immigration purposes. I've never had any problem with that, it's worked like a charm. The water and electricity are in the company name, so those bills are no use. I know you can take a copy of your chanote or whatever and use that, but the TOT bill is much simpler. However, since NT took over TOT, they seem to be reluctant to send out monthly bills any more, instead sending text reminders to pay it online.

 

Is there a way to get NT/TOT to send you a bill? If not, then what is the best means of providing proof of address to Immigration if you own a house via a company? I suppose I could try and get the PEA to change the billing address from my company name to my own, but I've no idea how difficult that would be. I bank with SCB, but I haven't had any paper mail from them for years. Is there some other officially recognised bill or document with your name and address on it that can be used instead, or is the chanote the only other way?

Use your house blue book,been doing it for years. 

 

[Guderian]

15 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Use your house blue book,been doing it for years. 

 

 

Please explain how that works, since the blue book is only for Thai names and, without your own farang name listed in it, it doesn't prove anything at all as far as I can see.

[SAFETY FIRST]

2 minutes ago, Guderian said:

 

Please explain how that works, since the blue book is only for Thai names and, without your own farang name listed in it, it doesn't prove anything at all as far as I can see.

Yes, my name is not in my house blue book. 

 

Immigration only want to see that you have in your possession, they accept it as proof of residency. 

 

Try it, I've been using it for decades. 

 

[Guderian]

9 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Yes, my name is not in my house blue book. 

 

Immigration only want to see that you have in your possession, they accept it as proof of residency. 

 

Try it, I've been using it for decades. 

 

 

OK, thanks. I'll take it along with me in case they decide that my 6-month-old TOT bill is too dated, and they don't like my Sophon cable TV bill. It can't hurt to try. BTW, which office are you using, I'm in Pattaya so it's Jomtien, the acceptable practices often differ between the various Immigration offices.

[DrJoy]

17 minutes ago, Guderian said:

 

Please explain how that works, since the blue book is only for Thai names and, without your own farang name listed in it, it doesn't prove anything at all as far as I can see.

Foreigners who hold Thai Permanent Residence Book can add their name in the Blue House Book (Tabien Baan)