With this post I will almost surely p1ss off both sides of the US political fence, i.e. both the Trump admirers and his haters. 

But even now with the overwhelming and daily further growing evidence of the harms caused by his Operation Warp Speed that launched these toxic mRNA Covid-shots, Trump is STILL boasting about its huge success and that it saved 'millions of lives'.  But it's the complete opposite with millions of people dead from these '100% safe and effective' shots and billions harmed by them.  Trumps childish and narcissistic inability to ever admit having being wrong on anything prevents the full exposure of  this Crime of the Century.  And no genius political 5D chess explanation of his stance on that issue can turn that abject lie into an 'innocent untruth that served its purpose'. 

= = =

This post triggered by the 5' clip - with transcript - of the 1-hour discussion by dr Kevin STILLWAGON. 

Source: https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/trumps-big-fat-abject-lie

 

Here an excerpt of the transcript of that clip:

> ... The video is very clear. All you gotta do is take a look at countries that had very little vaccine administration and they did not have excess mortality. And I'm not talking from COVID, I'm talking from anything. There was no excess mortality, but you take a look at areas of this country, just this country, that were heavily vaccinated… there is a definite increase in all-cause mortality. Now, I know that's just a temporal association, but it's something that you absolutely cannot ignore.
Yeah, there's gotta be a reckoning of truth here. And that's what we're doing today. We are helping people see through the lies. ...

Well I got to throw the BS flag on this.  There are not "millions of people dead from these '100% safe and effective' shots and billions harmed by them.".  That is malarky. 

 

Kind of ends the entire precept of this thread.

 

 

7 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

Well I got to throw the BS flag on this.  There are not "millions of people dead from these '100% safe and effective' shots and billions harmed by them.".  That is malarky. 

 

Kind of ends the entire precept of this thread.

 

 

Exactly. I dont like the vaccines, vaccine mandates (I was FORCED) and I think they could be harmful (like any other drug), but then the OP ruins the whole topic with silliness.

1 hour ago, jimmybcool said:

Well I got to throw the BS flag on this.  There are not "millions of people dead from these '100% safe and effective' shots and billions harmed by them.".  That is malarky. 

 

Kind of ends the entire precept of this thread.

 

It'll be years before we know.  That's why they call them "long term side effects".  But if you believe some of the early studies coming out that indicate one death per 800 shots, and extrapolate that over the billions of shots, it may be millions. 

 

I'm looking forward to RFK Jr, Musk and his AI skills, and DOGE to look at all the data, with no holds barred.

 

If you give enough people a biologically active molecule, some are going to die from it. Top down public health knows this and balances the expected lives saved vs losses, it is a tradeoff. What was wrong was the way eople were coerced into a novel therapeutic (MRNA vaccines) which had not undergone the normal FDA approval process. There is an argument that accelerated approval may have been right under the circumstances, especially if the vaccine actually did 'stop the spread'/provide immunity* but people screamed at "deniers" that it was FDA approved, when it was not FDA approved in they way that normally means. It was not a vaccine as vaccines were understood prior to the definition being changed*.

 

 

The only vaccine I can think of given to reduce infection not prevent is the Polio vaccine which is given after someone has contracted polio, but that is because it may have benefit due to the way Polio spreads - BUT the vaccine is normally given to PREVENT infection.

13 minutes ago, impulse said:

It'll be years before we know.  That's why they call them "long term side effects".  But if you believe some of the early studies coming out that indicate one death per 800 shots, and extrapolate that over the billions of shots, it may be millions. 

 

I'm looking forward to RFK Jr, Musk and his AI skills, and DOGE to look at all the data, with no holds barred.

Those of us that follow independent sources already know for years the devastating effects of these Wonder-Jabs. 

It suffices to compare the trends of excess-deaths between light and heavily vaxxed countries, and it is even more tell-tale when looking at the evolution of excess-deaths in the lower-age categories, where deaths of young and middle-age people have exploded since the roll-out of these mRNA-jabs.  Of course you couldn't find these analyses on the mainstream-media or buried deep in Public Health reports, as the truth is damning for Pfizer/Moderna, the 'Public Health' authorities, the politicians that supported the roll-out, and the complicit media.  They hoped that the jab-effects would go away (like Covid did), and that we could all 'move on' but unfortunately the harm is irreversible and phenomena like the current explosion of turbo-cancers and cardio-vascular diseases are just a forebode of what is still to come...

5 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Those of us that follow independent sources already know for years the devastating effects of these Wonder-Jabs. 

 

You're right,  as you have been for years on this subject . 

 

I am not tooting my horn , but for years I have given a short but imo precise reason

why things haven't changed much.  Namely,   the state of mankind ;  Stupid, impervious in regards to critical thinking,  brainwashed into believing what the "authorities" dictate, blindly following orders so as not to face penalties or social rebuke...... pick your reason. They all apply .

 

The social experiment that we call "mankind"  has blown up and good luck ever putting it back together .  We definitely are burdened by what has been .  

Its now up to each individual to enact whatever goodness and quality of life they can, by their own efforts .  Even a very small percentage of people with money from working or inheritance ever seem to accomplish a healthy and "happy"  trip through life .   I have seen that more often in the poorer societies , though that is increasingly being destroyed by "Progress"  into the new world order.   hello,  Facebook .   goodbye human interaction.

 

I still have to agree with GC's  humorous truths...... though i am  prone to forget once in a while and jump up and down when the cheerleading propaganda comes on and we all get caught up in making the world great again. 

Then you wake up..... and damn if the day and all the crap is still the same .  Even worse when some headline says that some imaginary coin is now making some few into billionaires .   By doing nothing .   

 

as usual... i don't remember what i am commenting on.  What flavor ice cream do i like the most ?   oh well .........   

 

Posts with derogatory nicknames, intentional misspellings, or personal remarks will be removed. Spell names correctly for all sides of the debate.

The Long History of mRNA Vaccines.....

Messenger RNA, or mRNA, was discovered in the early 1960s; research into how mRNA could be delivered into cells was developed in the 1970s. So, why did it take until the global COVID-19 pandemic of 2020 for the first mRNA vaccine to be brought to market? 

 

The early years of mRNA research were marked by a lot of enthusiasm for the technology but some difficult technical challenges that took a great deal of innovation to overcome. The biggest challenge was that mRNA would be taken up by the body and quickly degraded before it could “deliver” its message—the RNA transcript—and be read into proteins in the cells. 

 

The solution to this problem came from advances in nanotechnology: the development of fatty droplets (lipid nanoparticles) that wrapped the mRNA like a bubble, which allowed entry into the cells. Once inside the cell, the mRNA message could be translated into proteins, like the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, and the immune system would then be primed to recognize the foreign protein. 

 

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines

 

Follow the science………..

7 hours ago, impulse said:

 

It'll be years before we know.  That's why they call them "long term side effects".  But if you believe some of the early studies coming out that indicate one death per 800 shots, and extrapolate that over the billions of shots, it may be millions. 

 

I'm looking forward to RFK Jr, Musk and his AI skills, and DOGE to look at all the data, with no holds barred.

 

Can you post links to your claim of 1 death every 800 shots if not you need to delete this misleading  information 

8 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Exactly. I dont like the vaccines, vaccine mandates (I was FORCED) and I think they could be harmful (like any other drug), but then the OP ruins the whole topic with silliness.

And you know this to be true how exactly?

 

You've personally interviewed everyone? Or did you simply trust the statistics that the TV man and the experts funded by the pharmaceutical industry  told you to believe?

 

You say "it isn't millions". OK. Then what is the number? And why do you think your number is correct vs. the OP's millions? Because you think the VAERS database is oh-so-accurate? Less than 1% of all vaccine related injuries get reported there, and doctors are not even allowed to think that all these "sudden deaths" we see reported occasionally are Covid related.

 

So if you believe any of the official statistics about the Covid jab, you are likely believing a lie.

 

Each year, heart and circulatory related diseases kill more than 20 million people globally. And another 10 million die from cancer. And we're more than 3 years on from this crime against humanity. The jabs have caused heart problems for many people who were subjected to it, and are suspected by several studies as causing cancer, including dangerous turbo cancers. Given that most of the deaths from the jab will be hidden in these categories, millions seems like a reasonable estimate to me at first glance.

 

You can argue the number is lower, but it's certainly not a "silly" guess. The OP's assertion is a valid topic for discussion, no matter how uncomfortable it makes some people.

 

1 minute ago, uncletiger said:

And you know this to be true how exactly?

 

You've personally interviewed everyone? Or did you simply trust the statistics that the TV man and the experts funded by the pharmaceutical industry  told you to believe?

 

You say "it isn't millions". OK. Then what is the number? And why do you think your number is correct vs. the OP's millions? Because you think the VAERS database is oh-so-accurate? Less than 1% of all vaccine related injuries get reported there, and doctors are not even allowed to think that all these "sudden deaths" we see reported occasionally are Covid related.

 

So if you believe any of the official statistics about the Covid jab, you are likely believing a lie.

 

Each year, heart and circulatory related diseases kill more than 20 million people globally. And another 10 million die from cancer. And we're more than 3 years on from this crime against humanity. The jabs have caused heart problems for many people who were subjected to it, and are suspected by several studies as causing cancer, including dangerous turbo cancers. Given that most of the deaths from the jab will be hidden in these categories, millions seems like a reasonable estimate to me at first glance.

 

You can argue the number is lower, but it's certainly not a "silly" guess. The OP's assertion is a valid topic for discussion, no matter how uncomfortable it makes some people.

 

LOL, Sure.

8 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Exactly. I dont like the vaccines, vaccine mandates (I was FORCED) and I think they could be harmful (like any other drug), but then the OP ruins the whole topic with silliness.

How was it forced on you? Did they have a gun to your head or hold you down and jab you?

9 minutes ago, uncletiger said:

And you know this to be true how exactly?

 

You've personally interviewed everyone? Or did you simply trust the statistics that the TV man and the experts funded by the pharmaceutical industry  told you to believe?

 

You say "it isn't millions". OK. Then what is the number? And why do you think your number is correct vs. the OP's millions? Because you think the VAERS database is oh-so-accurate? Less than 1% of all vaccine related injuries get reported there, and doctors are not even allowed to think that all these "sudden deaths" we see reported occasionally are Covid related.

 

So if you believe any of the official statistics about the Covid jab, you are likely believing a lie.

 

Each year, heart and circulatory related diseases kill more than 20 million people globally. And another 10 million die from cancer. And we're more than 3 years on from this crime against humanity. The jabs have caused heart problems for many people who were subjected to it, and are suspected by several studies as causing cancer, including dangerous turbo cancers. Given that most of the deaths from the jab will be hidden in these categories, millions seems like a reasonable estimate to me at first glance.

 

You can argue the number is lower, but it's certainly not a "silly" guess. The OP's assertion is a valid topic for discussion, no matter how uncomfortable it makes some people.

Exactly right!

Anyone tired of hearing "the vaccines saved 20 million lives" fairy-tale?  

 

Quote > "UK's Imperial College has produced a new fantasy number to test people’s gullibility. This time they are claiming that 19.8 million lives have been saved by vaccination.

Imperial College now have a global reputation for making provable wrong claims based on modelling and they appear to want to bolster that reputation. Previous harm caused by Imperial include Neil Ferguson’s models in 2001 that led to the culling of 6 million cattle and sheep allegedly to prevent spread of foot and mouth disease which cost the UK economy £10bn. Subsequent predictions have included 50,000-150,000 deaths in humans in 2002 due to CJD because of the BSE outbreak (there were 177 deaths), 200 million deaths from bird flu in 2005 worldwide (there were 78); 65,000 deaths from Swine flu in UK in 2009 (there were 457)."

 

Source: https://www.hartgroup.org/imperial-fantasy-of-20-million-lives-saved

9 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

With this post I will almost surely p1ss off both sides of the US political fence, i.e. both the Trump admirers and his haters. 

But even now with the overwhelming and daily further growing evidence of the harms caused by his Operation Warp Speed that launched these toxic mRNA Covid-shots, Trump is STILL boasting about its huge success and that it saved 'millions of lives'.  But it's the complete opposite with millions of people dead from these '100% safe and effective' shots and billions harmed by them.  Trumps childish and narcissistic inability to ever admit having being wrong on anything prevents the full exposure of  this Crime of the Century.  And no genius political 5D chess explanation of his stance on that issue can turn that abject lie into an 'innocent untruth that served its purpose'. 

= = =

This post triggered by the 5' clip - with transcript - of the 1-hour discussion by dr Kevin STILLWAGON. 

Source: https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/trumps-big-fat-abject-lie

 

Here an excerpt of the transcript of that clip:

> ... The video is very clear. All you gotta do is take a look at countries that had very little vaccine administration and they did not have excess mortality. And I'm not talking from COVID, I'm talking from anything. There was no excess mortality, but you take a look at areas of this country, just this country, that were heavily vaccinated… there is a definite increase in all-cause mortality. Now, I know that's just a temporal association, but it's something that you absolutely cannot ignore.
Yeah, there's gotta be a reckoning of truth here. And that's what we're doing today. We are helping people see through the lies. ...

 

The only thing I question about your assertion is that the responsibility lies in: "Trumps childish and narcissistic inability to ever admit having being wrong on anything".

 

I suspect the truth goes much, much deeper than this. Trump withstood his entire support base boo'ing him at his own rallies when he pushed this. And It happened every single time. A true narcissist would have stopped talking about it long ago. Narcissists crave public adulation, and he definitely doesn't get it on this. Whatever the purpose of these jabs was, it is intimately connected to the larger espionage warfare that Trump has been engaged in and that we have been living through these last several years. If Trump is still speaking about this, it means that he's doing it for a strategic purpose. Possibly to expose whatever malevolent force is truly behind it.

 

I consider the jabs to be a crime against humanity. And for the life of me I can't understand why Trump took it down this path.  But there is a bigger war at play here, and until we get full disclosure and all the facts of everything that has been hidden from us, I am not going to rush to a snap judgement. But that said, yes. I too want to see Trump be forced to explain how he could condemn so many people to suffering and death, no matter his true goal and the larger war he has been fighting.

49 minutes ago, xylophone said:

The Long History of mRNA Vaccines.....

Messenger RNA, or mRNA, was discovered in the early 1960s; research into how mRNA could be delivered into cells was developed in the 1970s. So, why did it take until the global COVID-19 pandemic of 2020 for the first mRNA vaccine to be brought to market? 

 

The early years of mRNA research were marked by a lot of enthusiasm for the technology but some difficult technical challenges that took a great deal of innovation to overcome. The biggest challenge was that mRNA would be taken up by the body and quickly degraded before it could “deliver” its message—the RNA transcript—and be read into proteins in the cells. 

 

The solution to this problem came from advances in nanotechnology: the development of fatty droplets (lipid nanoparticles) that wrapped the mRNA like a bubble, which allowed entry into the cells. Once inside the cell, the mRNA message could be translated into proteins, like the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, and the immune system would then be primed to recognize the foreign protein. 

 

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines

 

Follow the science………..

 

That little bit of revisionist fantasy fails to mention that there were virtually no human trials using mRNA's, until Covid created a case where they could claim that the potential benefit justified the risks.

 

The only case previously was in Africa, and the drug companies didn't spend the $$ millions on trials there because there's no profit in curing poor people.

 

It's more like "follow the money" than the science.

 

20 minutes ago, uncletiger said:

I consider the jabs to be a crime against humanity. And for the life of me I can't understand why Trump took it down this path.  But there is a bigger war at play here, and until we get full disclosure and all the facts of everything that has been hidden from us, I am not going to rush to a snap judgement. But that said, yes. I too want to see Trump be forced to explain how he could condemn so many people to suffering and death, no matter his true goal and the larger war he has been fighting.

 

I felt the same way ( never can forgive those warp speed remarks) for a few years ! But never did i completely close my mind to their being a reason.   It was clear to me how powerful the "dark state" was .... as my posts in other forums shows:  "The Swarm "   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_3Nf6xjeFs

 

After long reflections , fighting against my anger towards Trump on the vax issue,  I came to give credit to the idea that he was under siege by the bad guys .  Somehow he knew that he had to retreat ( serious threats ? ) , and not enough firepower to strike back .  Why does he not NOW come out and tell the whole story ?    Hopefully, it is coming .  Maybe not just blurting out who and why ..... but getting a real team behind him this time who will help create a force with the ability to strike down the evil empire.

Little by little.   It seems to already have started.  No ?   MSM losing viewership/power.

More strong personalities shoring up the command ( Kennedy, Tulsi, Musk, etc) ... and even Facebook and Google and Bezos snuggling up .   Yet still the swamp is trying to keep its hold.  Fear talk of pandemics....  mysterious aliens in the sky... etc .

 

So........ lets see if Trump even makes it to the changeover .  If he does,  give it about 6 months and let's see if things are changing .  Here at AN they seem to be  🙂

Maybe he will never come out and tell us exactly what happenned back in 2019 ...

but we should know for sure if they ( the T  Team )  are really playing on the side of sanity ...... or they are (as some might claim)  ,  just a fake out for business as usual .

 

I understand Dr, Stillwagon was predicting a major airline catastrophe, caused by aircraft staff having compulsory vaccinations.

 

Airline safety continues to improve, except in Russia.

 

I also understand during the height of the COVID pandemic, unvaccinated COVID patients were 6-7 times more likely to need ICU admission than vaccinated patients.

 

Ho-hum, another anti-vaxxer thread. It reminds me of Einstein's comment about the Universe and human stupidity.

Remember when they stopped publicizing the vax status of people who were being hospitalized/died?

 

Now why would they do something like that?

 

Remember when a thread like this would have been shut down post haste…but not anymore?

 

Hmmm 🤔

11 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

This post triggered by the 5' clip - with transcript - of the 1-hour discussion by dr Kevin STILLWAGON. 

 

Follow the bio.........

Dr. Kevin Stillwagon 

Retired chiropractor/airline captain, science communicator, educator on the immune system, inventor, author, lecturer, do it yourselfer, freedom fighter.

https://substack.com/@drkevinstillwagon?utm_source=about-page

 

You're getting your vaccine science from a chiropractor?

 

Allow me to guffaw.

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24 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

You're getting your vaccine science from a chiropractor?

 

You're getting yours from people paid (one way or another) by the pharmaceutical companies...

 

11 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Exactly. I dont like the vaccines, vaccine mandates (I was FORCED) and I think they could be harmful (like any other drug), but then the OP ruins the whole topic with silliness.

 

Thanks.  I recognize there have been side effects from these new vaccines.  And I hated the mandates to take them.  I also recognize within a year of release of these vaccines our hospitals were no longer overrun and elective surgeries were possible again.  Could be the virus ran it's course and mutated to a less dangerous version.  Or could be the vaccines worked and ended the threat.  I'm no doctor and make no claims.  But discussion has to be based on real merit not crazy claims. 

10 hours ago, mokwit said:

The only vaccine I can think of given to reduce infection not prevent is the Polio vaccine which is given after someone has contracted polio

The rabies vaccine is also given after exposure, even if it is just a potential one.   Untreated, rabies is 100% fatal.

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

That little bit of revisionist fantasy fails to mention that there were virtually no human trials using mRNA's, until Covid created a case where they could claim that the potential benefit justified the risks.

 

The only case previously was in Africa, and the drug companies didn't spend the $$ millions on trials there because there's no profit in curing poor people.

 

It's more like "follow the money" than the science.

 

Your comment is very inaccurate actually and shows your did no research on the topic.  Here's a bit of facts for you and does not include china's use of management vaccines 

 

1. Phase 1 Trials: These initial trials focused on safety and dosage, involving a small number of healthy volunteers.

2. Phase 2 Trials: These expanded the study to more participants to further assess safety and start to evaluate effectiveness.

3. Phase 3 Trials: These were large-scale trials involving tens of thousands of participants to confirm efficacy and monitor for adverse effects.

For example, the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines each conducted Phase 3 trials with about 44,000 participants before receiving emergency use authorization and later full approval in Dec 2020 1.

2 hours ago, rumak said:

 

I felt the same way ( never can forgive those warp speed remarks) for a few years ! But never did i completely close my mind to their being a reason.   It was clear to me how powerful the "dark state" was .... as my posts in other forums shows:  "The Swarm "   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_3Nf6xjeFs

 

After long reflections , fighting against my anger towards Trump on the vax issue,  I came to give credit to the idea that he was under siege by the bad guys .  Somehow he knew that he had to retreat ( serious threats ? ) , and not enough firepower to strike back .  Why does he not NOW come out and tell the whole story ?    Hopefully, it is coming .  Maybe not just blurting out who and why ..... but getting a real team behind him this time who will help create a force with the ability to strike down the evil empire.

Little by little.   It seems to already have started.  No ?   MSM losing viewership/power.

More strong personalities shoring up the command ( Kennedy, Tulsi, Musk, etc) ... and even Facebook and Google and Bezos snuggling up .   Yet still the swamp is trying to keep its hold.  Fear talk of pandemics....  mysterious aliens in the sky... etc .

 

So........ lets see if Trump even makes it to the changeover .  If he does,  give it about 6 months and let's see if things are changing .  Here at AN they seem to be  🙂

Maybe he will never come out and tell us exactly what happenned back in 2019 ...

but we should know for sure if they ( the T  Team )  are really playing on the side of sanity ...... or they are (as some might claim)  ,  just a fake out for business as usual .

 

What are you smoking  or where did you get this fantasy from.  

52 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You're getting yours from people paid (one way or another) by the pharmaceutical companies...

 

 

Lemme get this straight.............

 

On one side of the argument we have all of science.

On the another side we have a quack.

 

Well, okay then!

Trump scared everyone early on that they would be injected with bleach and have a UV light inserted anally.

so it came as a relief when they found out a dodgy jab was all that was required.

 

The Art Of The Deal. 

business as usual on this "alternative views forum ..........

 

"Contrary to the usual MSM narrative posts" are presented by some members.

Met by derisive comments or emojis by those who present the same paid for articles of the past . 

 

Of course i knew it would be like this ..............   i guess Charlie had a more optimistic outcome in mind

6 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Exactly right!

Anyone tired of hearing "the vaccines saved 20 million lives" fairy-tale?  

 

Quote > "UK's Imperial College has produced a new fantasy number to test people’s gullibility. This time they are claiming that 19.8 million lives have been saved by vaccination.

Imperial College now have a global reputation for making provable wrong claims based on modelling and they appear to want to bolster that reputation. Previous harm caused by Imperial include Neil Ferguson’s models in 2001 that led to the culling of 6 million cattle and sheep allegedly to prevent spread of foot and mouth disease which cost the UK economy £10bn. Subsequent predictions have included 50,000-150,000 deaths in humans in 2002 due to CJD because of the BSE outbreak (there were 177 deaths), 200 million deaths from bird flu in 2005 worldwide (there were 78); 65,000 deaths from Swine flu in UK in 2009 (there were 457)."

 

Source: https://www.hartgroup.org/imperial-fantasy-of-20-million-lives-saved

According to Wikipedia the HART Group is known for spreading COVID disinformation. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Advisory_and_Recovery_Team

2 hours ago, Purdey said:

According to Wikipedia the HART Group is known for spreading COVID disinformation. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Advisory_and_Recovery_Team

 

In order to break one's chains, the first thing one needs to do is understand that "established" sources of information are merely propaganda outlets.

 

Larry Sanger, the co-founder of Wikipedia, is warning that the online encyclopedia has become too one-sided and overloaded with liberal sources in a way that harms democracy.

"In short, and with few exceptions, only globalist, progressive mainstream sources — and sources friendly to globalist progressivism — are permitted," Sanger wrote on his website in an article last week headlined "Wikipedia is more one-sided than ever."

https://justthenews.com/accountability/cancel-culture/tuewikipedia-more-one-sided-ever-co-founder-warns