Trump’s big fat abject lie …and why he keeps telling it.

[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, Globalres said:

Yes, once upon a time facts told us that the earth was flat.  How long time did it take humans to finally see the light?  
Who is the “alternative”, Fox News or CNN.  Guess it’s in the eye of the beholder. 

So called scientific facts today based on large trials costing millions of dollars are generally paid for by the company hoping to reap the financial benefits from the positive outcome.  These trials are called the gold standard so all gullible people believe it without even questioning HOW the trial was run.  How was the control group treated? With saline? Or with something else that would guarantee a favourable outcome for the investor? 

When they finally did the trial on Ivermectin, the experimental group  were given half the recommended dose AND that was initiated on the 5th day off covid, rather than the first day.  Of course they had to show that Ivermectin was useless otherwise the vaccine would never have seen the light of day.  The world of drugs today has become a dirty business, sadly.

 

When one studies what actually happened in the aftermath of Luther's Reformation, one concludes that the political forces, bodies and interests which were behind the invention and promotion of the heliocentric model were the same ones behind the invention and promotion of the pharmaceutical paradigm, using the same means.

 

Humans did not "see the light" regarding the shape of the Earth, they imposed a different model for ideological and political purposes.

[gamb00ler]

2 hours ago, mikebike said:

What you are refering to is ENGINEERING based on SCIENCE. Science is never settled. The more that is learned, the more questions which are revealed.

use whatever terms you're comfortable with.  Many industries are applied science, especially chemical and electrical firms.  That science is settled.  In case you forget the comment that started this conversation stated "Science is never settled" (my bolding) which is obviously not true.  That trope is constantly bandied about by science deniers as gospel.

[jimmybcool]

2 hours ago, Dan O said:

Nope if I remember correctly  you were required to have a pretravel RT-PCR  test within  72 hours before travel. You had to present the docs at airport check in and again on arrival  they were checked and then you went to quarantine had to take daily temp and got tested there too before release. I think it was first for 10 or 14 days and then down to 7 days    later with a vaccine you didn't need to do pre test but had to show your vaccine records.

Yes in 2020 one could enter without vaccine BUT meant 10 day quarantine.  Alternative is vaccine and one night test with return for retest in 7 days.  I went through that one.  Not sure who in their right mind would accept 10 days quarantine versus the vaccine but your point it was not mandatory appears to be true. 

[Dan O]

1 hour ago, scottiejohn said:

The rules changed during the pandemic on a regular basis country by country!

It was very difficult to know what you needed at what particular time wrt any particular country!

I fairly positive of what i wrote as being accurate

[gamb00ler]

12 minutes ago, Dan O said:

I fairly positive of what i wrote as being accurate

In Sep 2020 we moved to CM from US.  Vaccines were not yet available.  I needed PCR test results no older than 72 hours before departure, a Fit to Fly letter from a Dr, a 2 week quarantine booking starting on my arrival date.  After setting those up we could book seats on one of the rare flights from US to Thailand.  My Thai wife need the same except for the PCR test.  She did need permission to return on her expired passport.