Is Trump Going Soft on China?

[John Drake]

This was one of my big fears about Trump. I posted to AN about it several times. I think he's capable of doing a 180 on China. It's already happening with Tik Tok. Trump actually initiated the ban on Tik Tok but now says he has "a warm place in my heart" for it. Watch out for Trump trying for a Nixon Goes to China moment. 

 

 

[bendejo]

The way he talks about these authoritarian strongmen he sounds like a teenage girl fantasizing about the Prince Charming who will one day appear and sweep her off her feet.  It's a fetish.

 

 

[Srikcir]

  On 12/18/2024 at 7:31 AM, John Drake said:

Watch out for Trump trying for a Nixon Goes to China moment. 

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Trump has already "Gone to China." 

"China spent over $5.5 million at Trump properties while he was in office, documents show", by Zachary Cohen and Kara Scannell, CNN - January 4, 2024 cnn.com

 

"Trump Organization plans second Saudi Arabian tower in regional expansion," by Pesha Magid December 12, 2024. reuters.com

"The Trump Organization plans to build a Trump Tower in the Saudi capital Riyadh as part of a real estate expansion in the region including in the Emirati capital Abu Dhabi" as per Eric Trump, the U.S. president-elect's son.

 

Trump has shown to foreign countries that he can be bought as POTUS. 

 

 

[spidermike007]

You have all the presidents and recent memory he is perhaps the one who can most easily be bought and paid for after all it only requires the proper kind of compliment. 

[SiSePuede419]

As long as the Chinese Commies keep shoveling bribes and kickbacks to him he will be as soft as Grandma's feather bed. 😄

 

[Hawaiian]

  On 12/19/2024 at 12:13 AM, spidermike007 said:

You have all the presidents and recent memory he is perhaps the one who can most easily be bought and paid for after all it only requires the proper kind of compliment. 

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But I know someone who is right behind him.

[Hawaiian]

  On 12/18/2024 at 7:31 AM, John Drake said:

This was one of my big fears about Trump. I posted to AN about it several times. I think he's capable of doing a 180 on China. It's already happening with Tik Tok. Trump actually initiated the ban on Tik Tok but now says he has "a warm place in my heart" for it. Watch out for Trump trying for a Nixon Goes to China moment. 

 

 

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IMO Trump knows how damaging tariffs can be to the U.S. consumer and has only used the threat of tariffs to get some concessions out of XI, whatever they may be.  Some may say concessions that will benefit Trump, personally.  I don't deny that but I think his prime motivation is to catch, for lack of betters words, off guard. 

No matter what, XI knows Trump is not bluffing if he doesn't get anything out of it.

[GypsyT]

Every time I see Donny boy next to China's XI or Russian Putin he seems to be out of their league.

 

They know that too. Both are quite amused about his overly eager long hand shakes and posing to the pics.

Not a glimpse of power, intelligent or stately aura.

[AndreasHG]

 

In Don's case, it's not so much that the bark is worse than the bite. It's that he wants to be petted. And both Putin and Xi Jinping know this too well.

[Lacessit]

  On 12/19/2024 at 12:16 AM, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Bright enough to become POTUS.

 

 

Whatever that means.

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It means the people who voted for him are not as bright as him.

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 12/18/2024 at 10:24 PM, Srikcir said:

The Trump Organization plans to build a Trump Tower in the Saudi capital Riyadh

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I wonder what caused that bizarre decision? Riyadh is a <deleted> hole in the middle of a desert. Immensely wealthy and incredibly boring. Every interesting site can be seen in an afternoon. It's already got a heap of international hotels.

Jeddah would be a far better choice of locations.

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 12/19/2024 at 1:25 AM, GypsyT said:

Every time I see Donny boy next to China's XI or Russian Putin he seems to be out of their league.

 

They know that too. Both are quite amused about his overly eager long hand shakes and posing to the pics.

Not a glimpse of power, intelligent or stately aura.

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Still crying that he won then? 😪

[Lacessit]

  On 12/19/2024 at 1:09 AM, Hawaiian said:

IMO Trump knows how damaging tariffs can be to the U.S. consumer and has only used the threat of tariffs to get some concessions out of XI, whatever they may be.  Some may say concessions that will benefit Trump, personally.  I don't deny that but I think his prime motivation is to catch, for lack of betters words, off guard. 

No matter what, XI knows Trump is not bluffing if he doesn't get anything out of it.

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In Trump's last Presidency, the tariffs he put on China were a disaster for American farmers. Just like removing illegal immigrants will be a disaster for food production.

 

Somewhere on YouTube there's an Arkansas sweet potato farmer telling Americans to quit eating, if he has no illegals. Because the ones he employs are the only people who will pick his crops for $100 a day.

 

Trump makes threats all the time. They usually rebound on him if he actually goes through with them.

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 12/19/2024 at 12:15 AM, theshu25 said:

Have to remember ,The orange grifter is not that bright.

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He has a load more money than you and he gets to fly on AF 1, and have world dignitaries grovel to him.

I could do with being that not bright.

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 12/18/2024 at 7:31 AM, John Drake said:

This was one of my big fears about Trump. I posted to AN about it several times. I think he's capable of doing a 180 on China. It's already happening with Tik Tok. Trump actually initiated the ban on Tik Tok but now says he has "a warm place in my heart" for it. Watch out for Trump trying for a Nixon Goes to China moment. 

 

 

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Easily explained if one considers that he has become a politician, rather than an outsider that wants to tear it all down.

The Washington dark side is strong.

[KhunLA]

It's called 'free speech, expression' and not social platform should be banned.  If operating within the law, and not harmful.

 

Benning, restricting thinking out loud,  is simply censorship 

[Thingamabob]

Trump has not assumed office yet however the pathetic anti-Trump snivellers on here are already droning on. After a year or two of his presidency will be the time to assess his performance, not now.

[GypsyT]

  On 12/19/2024 at 3:06 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

It's already happening with Tik Tok.

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The whole tic tok storm is American jealousy! China beat them in their own game...

 

[jas007]

Nixon's China move in the 70s was, in retrospect, not a bad idea.  Like it or not, the US cannot afford any kind or conflict with China.  And back then, as now, there were geopolitical concerns.  Anyway, today China has its own problems.  They probably can't afford any kind of conflict either.  They just want to do business.  

 

We'll see what happens with Trump's tariffs. 

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 12/19/2024 at 3:45 AM, GypsyT said:

The whole tic tok storm is American jealousy! China beat them in their own game...

 

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I did not include the words Tik Tok in my post. You have to quote from the poster that I quoted, not from my post.

[hotandsticky]

  On 12/19/2024 at 2:51 AM, Lacessit said:

It means the people who voted for him are not as bright as him.

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....and those that voted for the 'losers'?

[Lacessit]

  On 12/19/2024 at 6:32 AM, hotandsticky said:

 

 

....and those that voted for the 'losers'?

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Too bright to be conned.

[ericbj]

Whether or not Trump is "going soft" on China, he would be well advised to do so.

 

It is possible that some have not been following the global economic news.  Of how China has begun retaliating against the U.S. by imposing … sanctions.

 

The Chinese are starting to play the win-lose game, in place of their avowed "win-win" strategy.

 

Restricting imports of, for example, U.S. agricultural produce, and banning exports of, for example, rare earths.

 

Time will tell who loses the most.

[still kicking]

  On 12/19/2024 at 12:16 AM, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Bright enough to become POTUS.

 

 

Whatever that means.

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No voters are dumb enough to vote for him ......

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 12/19/2024 at 3:14 PM, ericbj said:

and banning exports of, for example, rare earths.

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Oops, no more toy battery cars or apple telephones, oh dear, how rilly rilly awful.

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[GypsyT]

China don't need US. Alibaba shows more profit with less sales than Amazon.

 

https://oabeans.com/amazon-vs-alibaba-comparison/

 

US companies need China but complex tax etc situations they don't voice displeasure to Trump dumb taxes.

Looks like every company gets special deals by US government. It's one way to control them.

[0ffshore360]

  On 12/20/2024 at 2:28 AM, GypsyT said:

China don't need US. Alibaba shows more profit with less sales than Amazon.

 

https://oabeans.com/amazon-vs-alibaba-comparison/

 

US companies need China but complex tax etc situations they don't voice displeasure to Trump dumb taxes.

Looks like every company gets special deals by US government. It's one way to control them.

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Given that over 70% of items sold on Amazon are from China will Amazon be granted tariff exemptions?

Will US agricultural producers be compensated even more for the massive reduction of exports to China now that Latin America producers are the new trade favored?

Will high tech industries cope with reduced access to raw materials  for production?

Damn right the US needs China.

IMO Trump is being made to understand isolationism comes at a cost .

[bendejo]

  On 12/18/2024 at 10:24 PM, Srikcir said:

Trump has shown to foreign countries that he can be bought as POTUS. 

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America is for sale, and he is the cashier.

 

[ericbj]

Some ramifications of the US-China trade war:

 

"US price tag for China's gallium export ban: $602 billion and new monopolies for Huawei"

 

https://youtu.be/Qp4DNpJjHSs

[cdnvic]

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