Popular Post webfact Posted December 20, 2024 Popular Post Posted December 20, 2024 Picture courtesy: Thai Rath In a landmark decision, Thailand's Administrative Court has ruled that outstanding traffic fines cannot be used as grounds to deny motorists their annual vehicle tax renewal. This case revolved around Amnat Kaewprasong, who faced an unexpected hurdle when the Bangkok office of the Department of Land Transport refused to issue his tax decal due to an unpaid 500 baht fine related to a speeding offence. Kaewprasong brought the issue to court, arguing that the denial was both unjust and contrary to legal procedures. The court sided with him, instructing the Department of Land Transport to provide the necessary vehicle tax decal within three days from the date the judgement took effect. Additionally, the court mandated compensation to Kaewprasong of 3,151.50 baht for the inconvenience caused, along with interest at a rate of 3% per annum. The crux of the court's decision emphasised that while an electronic data-sharing agreement between the Department of Land Transport and the Royal Thai Police was in place to streamline enforcement of traffic regulations, the police failed to adhere to required legal procedures. Notably, the traffic department had not issued the formal notices required by law for the unpaid fine, nor was there evidence of communication regarding the non-compliance. Without such notifications, the court maintained that the department had overreached its authority by refusing the tax renewal. The decision sets a significant precedent, reinforcing the principle that due process must be followed, and outstanding fines alone cannot justify withholding essential documents like a vehicle tax decal. By ensuring these checks and balances are respected, the ruling protects motorists from bureaucratic overreach and underscores the need for lawful and transparent communication between governmental bodies and the public. This outcome is likely to have wider implications for how traffic fines are enforced and may prompt procedural reforms within the involved agencies to avoid similar situations in the future, reported Thai Rath. -- 2024-12-21 1 5 4
ChrisY1 Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 Well done to K. Amnat Kaewprasong. "the police failed to adhere to required legal procedures." There must be thousands of outstanding fines which may now all be illegal according to this judgement..... Any lessons learnt for the cops? 3 2
Popular Post quake Posted December 21, 2024 Popular Post Posted December 21, 2024 Oh well, Carry on speeding. TIT. 1 1 3
Popular Post ikke1959 Posted December 21, 2024 Popular Post Posted December 21, 2024 No wonder there are so may accidents... Thai laws are worthless... Don't pay fines and nothing will happen. Just continue living and in this case even worse the culprit get compensation for not paying fines and go to court ... a bonus and reward. And in the meantime again a blame for the RTP as they don't do their work properly... In my country if you don't pay your fine and at a checkpoint they see it that you have to pay you can pay first before you can drive on... and if don't pay within the normal period you get extra fines. NO court will agree with you if you can't pay your tax if you have fines to pay.. They will fine you even more with all extra costs for your account as it is your duty to pay in time...But this is Thailand the country with laws that are not enforced a RTP that is not working, and have no clue of laws and too lazy to lift their asses.. and a court that is not independent. Unless you are a foreigner..........than everything works very well and they will empty your wallet 3 5
connda Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 That's hilarious! Well like all of the Thais in Thailand, if I'm issued a ticket, I'll forget to pay it - like forever.
Popular Post gravity101 Posted December 21, 2024 Popular Post Posted December 21, 2024 4 hours ago, ChrisY1 said: Well done to K. Amnat Kaewprasong. "the police failed to adhere to required legal procedures." There must be thousands of outstanding fines which may now all be illegal according to this judgement..... Any lessons learnt for the cops? The fines aren't illegal, it's how they tried to force payment that is. 1 2 3
KireB Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 Paid my 2nd ever fine this week, a whopping 500 baht for speeding.
Popular Post ardsong Posted December 21, 2024 Popular Post Posted December 21, 2024 1 hour ago, ikke1959 said: No wonder there are so may accidents... Thai laws are worthless... Don't pay fines and nothing will happen. Just continue living and in this case even worse the culprit get compensation for not paying fines and go to court ... a bonus and reward. And in the meantime again a blame for the RTP as they don't do their work properly... In my country if you don't pay your fine and at a checkpoint they see it that you have to pay you can pay first before you can drive on... and if don't pay within the normal period you get extra fines. NO court will agree with you if you can't pay your tax if you have fines to pay.. They will fine you even more with all extra costs for your account as it is your duty to pay in time...But this is Thailand the country with laws that are not enforced a RTP that is not working, and have no clue of laws and too lazy to lift their asses.. and a court that is not independent. Unless you are a foreigner..........than everything works very well and they will empty your wallet In Oman where I worked for some years it was different , you could not renew your yearly car registration without having cleared all outstanding traffic fines. Easy to check and the country had no long outstanding fines and a good disciplined traffic. Thailand should change the law in this sense as it will improve the payment of fines in time, the force payment will give a boost to better traffic behavior, so a win-win situation 2 2
hotchilli Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 5 hours ago, ChrisY1 said: Well done to K. Amnat Kaewprasong. "the police failed to adhere to required legal procedures." There must be thousands of outstanding fines which may now all be illegal according to this judgement..... Any lessons learnt for the cops? Doubtful.
klauskunkel Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 6 hours ago, webfact said: the police failed to adhere to required legal procedures There shall be sarcasm 2
Popular Post Will B Good Posted December 21, 2024 Popular Post Posted December 21, 2024 I wonder if a Thai court might, one day, rule that traffic fines have to be paid? 2 1
KannikaP Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 2 hours ago, ardsong said: Thailand should change the law in this sense as it will improve the payment of fines in time I was under the impression that it WAS the Law here, pay fines before registering your vehicle.
Ralf001 Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 had to renew road tax on my daily last month.... yeah DLT refused due to outstanding fines. 1
transam Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 3 minutes ago, KannikaP said: I was under the impression that it WAS the Law here, pay fines before registering your vehicle. It was, but naturally they have shot their self in the foot, yet again..........🤪 1
AhFarangJa Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 2 hours ago, ardsong said: In Oman where I worked for some years it was different , you could not renew your yearly car registration without having cleared all outstanding traffic fines. Easy to check and the country had no long outstanding fines and a good disciplined traffic. Thailand should change the law in this sense as it will improve the payment of fines in time, the force payment will give a boost to better traffic behavior, so a win-win situation Same in Saudi, also, if you had any outstanding tickets you could not get an exit visa to go on holiday, and if you had a multi exit-re-entry visa they would clock you at immigration.
jcmj Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 When will they ever learn? They wonder why people don’t care about driving laws. No repercussions for the drivers. What happened to the point system? 😂🤣 It never ceases to amaze me even after 20+ years. TIT 2
cardinalblue Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 If the authority issues/communicates with the violator, then the authorities should be allowed to deny registration on unpaid tickets… if the headlines is correct, then the courts made a bad ruling…it makes it sound like authorities can’t deny registration even if tickets are not paid… this could be bad journalism as well 1
ikke1959 Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 2 hours ago, AhFarangJa said: Same in Saudi, also, if you had any outstanding tickets you could not get an exit visa to go on holiday, and if you had a multi exit-re-entry visa they would clock you at immigration. In The Netherlands the police is even coming at night to wake you up to pay the fines... 2
Purdey Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 I find it more convenient to pay fines through the ATM rather than wait. I have seen one person told he can't renew his license without paying outstanding fines.
Puccini Posted December 21, 2024 Posted December 21, 2024 11 hours ago, ChrisY1 said: ...There must be thousands of outstanding fines which may now all be illegal according to this judgement..... Any lessons learnt for the cops? That's a misinterpretation of the court decision. The unpaid fine is still legal. It was the manner in which the Land Transportation Department refused to renew the vehicle registration because of the unpaid fine that was illegal. 1
chmeatloaf Posted December 22, 2024 Posted December 22, 2024 Sadly, Laws and Courts that promotes accidents and fatalities. What happen to the so called Road Safety Initiative program with WHO recently? 1
Rampant Rabbit Posted December 22, 2024 Posted December 22, 2024 20 hours ago, Purdey said: I find it more convenient to pay fines through the ATM rather than wait. I have seen one person told he can't renew his license without paying outstanding fines. i find it more convenient to file em in the trash especially the last one 121 in a 120...............go screw yerselves BIB
Will B Good Posted December 22, 2024 Posted December 22, 2024 1 minute ago, Rampant Rabbit said: i find it more convenient to file em in the trash What a totally abhorrent attitude. How about sticking to the rules so we can all be safe(r).
CallumWK Posted December 22, 2024 Posted December 22, 2024 2 minutes ago, Will B Good said: What a totally abhorrent attitude. How about sticking to the rules so we can all be safe(r). I must have missed how paying a traffic fine adheres to safety
CallumWK Posted December 22, 2024 Posted December 22, 2024 On 12/21/2024 at 2:22 PM, Ralf001 said: had to renew road tax on my daily last month.... yeah DLT refused due to outstanding fines. I guess that hurts then
Will B Good Posted December 22, 2024 Posted December 22, 2024 2 minutes ago, CallumWK said: I must have missed how paying a traffic fine adheres to safety I'll try and explain.....this is tricky. Let's start with a question......Why might he have been issued with a ticket?......certainly not for parking.....how about speeding or driving like a total d***head? So let's assume he was driving too fast and/or like a d***head and he kept having to pay ever increasing punitive fines, face driving bans and potentially imprisonment...... That might just lead to him thinking...oh I know....i'll stop driving in this fashion, even if only for my own selfish reasons. This is how fines work....they (generally) discourage people from doing things they ought not to be doing. Putting fines in the bin doesn't deter anyone.....having to keep paying them will. Hope this helps.
Will B Good Posted December 22, 2024 Posted December 22, 2024 3 minutes ago, CallumWK said: I guess that hurts then Wonderful....you grasped the concept before you could even read my post....well done.
Ralf001 Posted December 22, 2024 Posted December 22, 2024 1 minute ago, CallumWK said: I guess that hurts then Nah didn't hurt... was only two fines according to their system.
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