Possibility of the Azerbaijan Airlines Embraer 190AR plane was shot down on the 25 Dec

[Rimmer]

 

On December 25, 2024, an Azerbaijan Airlines Embraer 190AR, operating as Flight 8243 from Baku to Grozny, crashed near Aktau, Kazakhstan, resulting in 38 fatalities and 29 survivors.

Reuters

 

The aircraft had diverted to Aktau due to fog in Grozny.

Wikipedia

 

Preliminary reports suggest the possibility that the plane was shot down by Russian air defenses after it deviated over an area with recent Ukrainian drone activity.

The Wall Street Journal

 

Aviation experts and a Ukrainian official have indicated that the wreckage assessments point towards this scenario.

However, Azerbaijan Airlines has attributed the crash to either a bird collision or poor weather conditions.

The exact cause remains under investigation.

 

The crash highlights the broader regional conflict's impact on commercial aviation.

The aircraft's flight path showed signs of control issues before crashing.

 

Russian SA-22 systems, often used to counter drones, might have been involved.

 

The incident has prompted an international investigation to determine the definitive cause of the crash.

 

Given the ongoing investigation and the complexities involved, it is premature to conclusively determine whether the aircraft was shot down.

 

Further analysis and official reports are necessary to establish the exact circumstances leading to this tragic event.

 

 

Inspired by the following article:

https://www.1001crash.com/index-page-description-accident-ERJ190_azerbaijan-lg-2-crash-455-azerbaijan-airlines-embraer-190ar-kazakhstan-aktau.html

[Bkk Brian]

The Russians again? 

 

Increasing speculation in Russian media that the Baku-Grozny Azerbaijan Airlines flight was shot down by Russian air defenses that mistook it for a Ukrainian drone. Footage of the damage to the fuselage.

 

 

[Will B Good]

Regardless of whether it was Russians or not....it certainly looks like it was shot down......strange looking bird strike as was intimated on another thread.

[BarBoy]

and Thailand just keeps letting these invaders and cold blooded murderers in, visa free...

 

have they no shame at all??

[Rimmer]

 

[gargamon]

So who was on the plane that Putin wanted to get rid of?

[frank83628]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The Russians again? 

 

Increasing speculation in Russian media that the Baku-Grozny Azerbaijan Airlines flight was shot down by Russian air defenses that mistook it for a Ukrainian drone. Footage of the damage to the fuselage.

 

 

Well, of course you will believe everything you are told. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

Well, of course you will believe everything you are told. 

I take it your English does not extend far enough to recognize what a question mark is...............

[tomazbodner]

10 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Well, of course you will believe everything you are told. 

Uff

[Bkk Brian]

Starting to get some confirmations now.

 

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1872270340132655523

 

 

Azerbaijani government sources have exclusively confirmed to Euronews on Thursday that a Russian surface-to-air missile caused the Azerbaijan Airlines plane crash in Aktau on Wednesday.

https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/26/exclusive-preliminary-investigation-confirms-russian-missile-over-grozny-caused-aktau-cras

[scottiejohn]

49 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Putin bad!

YES!

[frank83628]

37 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Starting to get some confirmations now.

 

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1872270340132655523

 

 

Azerbaijani government sources have exclusively confirmed to Euronews on Thursday that a Russian surface-to-air missile caused the Azerbaijan Airlines plane crash in Aktau on Wednesday.

https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/26/exclusive-preliminary-investigation-confirms-russian-missile-over-grozny-caused-aktau-cras

Reports, not confirmations. But of course for you it was Russia from the start. I've seen your Ukriane posts

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, BarBoy said:

and Thailand just keeps letting these invaders and cold blooded murderers in, visa free...

 

have they no shame at all??

 

Thats and incredibly dumbed down and over simplistic outlook which fails to comprehend, well, anything really.

 

Should you be held accountable for the actions of your government ???

 

 

It could be argued that those Russians who've moved to Thailand have done so because they completely disagree with the actions of their government.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

10 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Reports, not confirmations. But of course for you it was Russia from the start. I've seen your Ukriane posts

The Putin fan boy strikes again and attempts to bring in Ukraine

[BarBoy]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

It could be argued that those Russians who've moved to Thailand have done so because they completely disagree with the actions of their government.

Untrue.

 

The Russians I have met/argued with about their ongoing illegal invasion have all been in favor of it and their supreme leader, yet they refuse to fight..

 

Cowardice of the highest order!

[GroveHillWanderer]

18 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Reports, not confirmations. But of course for you it was Russia from the start. I've seen your Ukriane posts

It is a confirmation from the Azerbaijanis. As stated in the linked article. 

 

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Azerbaijani government sources have exclusively confirmed to Euronews on Thursday that a Russian surface-to-air missile caused the Azerbaijan Airlines plane crash in Aktau on Wednesday.

 

[tomazbodner]

7 hours ago, Rimmer said:

Given the holes are bent inwards, this was not an "oxygen cylinder exploding" as first suggested, this happened outside the plane and penetrated skin from outside in. As plane didn't take off like this, one can only conclude that a missile has exploded at the back of the plane, on the right side, and that shrapnel punctured the hydraulic lines which operate elevators, leading to loss of control of the aircraft. While we obviously from this cannot conclude who shot the missile against the plane, I think the question of whether this plane was shot down can be put to rest. It was. Question now is how involved countries would react to it...

[frank83628]

34 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

With your love of Putin, why are you not fighting for him in Ukraine?

I could ask the same quuestion, if you guys all hate Putin so much then why are you not fighting against him in Ukraine?

[liddelljohn]

The initial impact was at an altitude that no birds can  fly  ,, so no bird strike   ,, the initial report of reserve oxygen tank near  cockpit exploding also  incorrect  as explosion /impact in aft of aircraft , so  most likely a missile or gunfire  or bomb ???

 

Russia has previous for shooting down innocent airliners  such as MH17 in 2014,    UH72 in 2020    Siberian Air 1812  in 2001,,,  Polish presedential flight is another and there are a few more , by Russia and its proxy friends

[Phillip9]

8 hours ago, BarBoy said:

and Thailand just keeps letting these invaders and cold blooded murderers in, visa free...

 

have they no shame at all??

 

I don't think the typical Russian draft dodger living in Thailand has anything to do with this.

[MangoKorat]

The Russian response to suggestions that they shot the plane down is not complete denial, as it usually is.  They are simply saying that its wrong to speculate at this stage which is very suspicious, given their usual responses in such matters.

[wavodavo]

10 hours ago, gargamon said:

So who was on the plane that Putin wanted to get rid of?

Everybody !!!!!!!

[AndreasHG]

13 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Well, of course you will believe everything you are told.

 

The photos of the wreck and the videos shot by the passengers in the last moments of the flight are convincing proof that a missile sealed the fate of this aircraft.

 

Shame on you and all the St. Petersburg trolls active here, for disrespecting the victims of this accident by denying the facts that caused their deaths, even in the face of such compelling evidence.

 

You sold your humanity in exchange for a handful of banknotes and agreed to defend a criminal and murderous regime, thus becoming accomplices to its crimes.

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Russian system may have downed Azerbaijani jet, US official says

If the early indications are ultimately confirmed, it may be a case of mistaken identity, the US official said, where poorly trained Russian units have fired negligently against Ukraine’s use of drones.

Officials from Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Russia, three countries linked to the disaster, urged people not to speculate about the crash until investigations have concluded.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/26/asia/kazakhstan-plane-crash-questions-intl/index.html

[AndreasHG]

9 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

shame on you for glorifing the deaths of Russian soldiers and disrespecting their families

 

The ones who shall feel ashamed for the death of the Russian soldiers are those who send them to their death: Putin and his accomplices.

 

What are they dying for? To add some more square kilometers to the already largest country by landmass on planet Earth? To increase the number of subjects of an empire that in its thousand-year history has only been able to produce misery, servitude and bloodshed?

 

Is it worth it? Are human lives worth so little? The answer is yes. In Russia human lives are as disposable as Tampax tampons.

 

[tomazbodner]

52 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

 

Don't try and get all moralistic with me, you are neither Ukrainian or Russian, you are a Westerner that reads 3rd hand reports like the rest of us.

shame on you for glorifing the deaths of Russian soldiers and disrespecting their families. Womble

Nobody is trying morals on you. It would have been a total waste of time and effort. Had you been flipped the other way around and living in Russia, you would have already been freezing in Siberia or worse.

 

Actually you're quite lucky you live in the "western world" where your words don't get you tortured or killed. Or maybe we can help you relocate?

[tomazbodner]

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

You (and everyone else here?seem to purposely omit the fact there were peace talks ready back in April 22, the US & UK stopped them from taking place, so all deaths since rest on the heads of all the politicians that have continued this war unnecessarily.

Let's stop arguing. Let's have peace talks. You give all your possessions to the bully and the beatings will stop. Fair?

[Rimmer]

Off topic and replies removed, topic is not about Putin:

 

Possibility of the Azerbaijan Airlines Embraer 190AR plane was shot down on the 25 Dec

 

[Stevemercer]

I don't think bird strike causing the engine to tear itself apart (and resultant shrapnel to the rear of the plane) can be ruled out. 

[tomazbodner]

35 minutes ago, Stevemercer said:

I don't think bird strike causing the engine to tear itself apart (and resultant shrapnel to the rear of the plane) can be ruled out. 

It actually can, for 2 reason - had engine disintegrated and broke off the engine covers, damage would have been through the wings and into the fuselage right next to the wings. Pieces would also be larger and probably killed someone sitting next to the front of the engine.

 

But... the damage is far the the back, at close to 90 degrees puncturing the skin, and in the video taken during the final moments, the engine on the damaged side looks intact, and there does not seem to be any injuries inside the plane nor punctured skin anywhere around the wings area.

 

Damage to fuselage is in the back of the plane, a bit at the back of the wing, but main damage is just before vertical stabilizers and tail. For the damage to be done by engine, it would need to detach, and spray shrapnel into the tail while parallel to the aircraft. That didn't happen and videos show engine firmly attached and undamaged moments before plane hit the ground.

 

Good theory, though, and probably one of the first ones considered in investigation.