4 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Very true, people get on these weird keto type diets when if they had an ounce of self discipline they could cut out the rubbish junk food, you just have to read these threads to see how mixed up they are

Nothing weird about a Keto (ish) diet, except someone put a 'label' on it, and it's simply common sense.  Cut out the high sugar (simple or complex) carbs.  Stick to fats & protein, and fibrous carbs.   

 

Cutting ultra processed junk food is just common sense, some don't seem to have.  Many don't realize how addicting carbs are.    Like any addiction, only takes a few days to break, and the rest is easy self discipline.    

11 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Monkeys can get diabetes. Some species are more prone than others.

so where do they go for treatment these monkeys with diabetes? 

29 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Nothing weird about a Keto (ish) diet

one guy I've been following claims we need at least 100 grams of carbs per day.

he consumes a lot more, but is extremely active. 

but he claims 100 is the baseline for decent health and keto has negative effects long-term.

but again, there is a lot of debate with regards to carbs. so i am not saying he is right.

some people have cut them out completely. 

 

19 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

one guy I've been following claims we need at least 100 grams of carbs per day.

he consumes a lot more, but is extremely active. 

but he claims 100 is the baseline for decent health and keto has negative effects long-term.

but again, there is a lot of debate with regards to carbs. so i am not saying he is right.

some people have cut them out completely. 

Don't know about all that, though 100 gr doesn't sound like much.  As a 100gr slice of whole wheat bread has about 40g of carbs.

 

I just know the less starchy carbs & sugars I eat, the better I feel, and my blood work #s agree.

 

I was out on Christmas Eve and was amazed at how many young Thai women were grossly overweight. Where do they even buy clothes to fit their massive behinds.

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

but white flour and even whole grain flours can be considered junk food by many, including myself. as they are inflammatory. 

 

white rice and sweet potatoes might be better more benign carb options, along with fruit. 

 

but you're overweight, how is that working for you?

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

so where do they go for treatment these monkeys with diabetes? 

I am not aware they are treated, except the ones in captivity.

21 hours ago, Airalee said:

193cm 86kg

 

See you on the next thread discussing low carb diets. 😘 

BMI 23, that's impressive.

 

I did use the Bangkok Hospital calculator, which says you are overweight. Presumably they set a different benchmark for Thais, as most calculators say under 25.

 

Or perhaps they are just trying to drum up business.

18 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Obesity is primarily a problem of the obese so I don't care except for the fact that back in the UK they are a heavy burden on the NHS!

I used to play golf with a guy who made his fortune manufacturing bariatric beds for hospitals.

15 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Presumably they set a different benchmark for Thais, as most calculators say under 25. ... Or perhaps they are just trying to drum up business.

You might be correct, as new digital scales at local hospital now includes BMI reading. 

 

I'm @ 25, but far from overweight.  Have more lean muscle mass than most.   I'm almost the same weight as I was when I got out of boot camp @ 21 yrs old, and not an ounce of fat on me then, though wasn't much to begin with.  

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

but white flour and even whole grain flours can be considered junk food by many, including myself. as they are inflammatory. 

 

white rice and sweet potatoes might be better more benign carb options, along with fruit. 

 

White rice does not get a pass from me, it's a low fibre food. Whole grain bread has 5-10 times more fibre.

 

Fibre gives a full feeling more quickly. It also slows down the absorption of sugar into the bloodstream

 

Sweet potato is a good source of vitamins, minerals and fibre, especially with the skin left on.

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

BMI 23, that's impressive.

 

I did use the Bangkok Hospital calculator, which says you are overweight. Presumably they set a different benchmark for Thais, as most calculators say under 25.

 

Or perhaps they are just trying to drum up business.

As I’ve been in Vietnam for the last couple months, I have admittedly eaten more carbs (baguettes mostly).  Usually I’m around 80kg.  Most of the current additional weight is water weight.

 

I just know for myself that I generally feel much better on a low carb diet.  As I mentioned in a previous post, I think that strict zero carb can be too dehydrating so what works best for me is to stay mostly carnivore (beef butter salt water) but have about a half cup of blueberries before bedtime.  Any more than that and inflammation comes creeping in (sinus, skin and joints).

 

When initially working with my functional practitioner and reintroducing a small amount of carbs, even sweet potatoes were having negative affects on me.  All my doctors think that for me, carnivore has been quite beneficial after originally showing some amount of skepticism.

 

If someone is able to eat carbs without the negative effects that I experience, I think…great for them!   I’m not sure why the usual suspects show up whenever low carb diets are discussed and start to throw around personal insults.   Perhaps they own bars or bakeries?  It’s really odd that they care so much and that my personal situation makes them so vitriolic.

1 hour ago, Airalee said:

As I’ve been in Vietnam for the last couple months, I have admittedly eaten more carbs (baguettes mostly).  Usually I’m around 80kg.  Most of the current additional weight is water weight.

 

I just know for myself that I generally feel much better on a low carb diet.  As I mentioned in a previous post, I think that strict zero carb can be too dehydrating so what works best for me is to stay mostly carnivore (beef butter salt water) but have about a half cup of blueberries before bedtime.  Any more than that and inflammation comes creeping in (sinus, skin and joints).

 

When initially working with my functional practitioner and reintroducing a small amount of carbs, even sweet potatoes were having negative affects on me.  All my doctors think that for me, carnivore has been quite beneficial after originally showing some amount of skepticism.

 

If someone is able to eat carbs without the negative effects that I experience, I think…great for them!   I’m not sure why the usual suspects show up whenever low carb diets are discussed and start to throw around personal insults.   Perhaps they own bars or bakeries?  It’s really odd that they care so much and that my personal situation makes them so vitriolic.

Perhaps your detractors are envious.

 

Everyone's physiology is different. For example, injecting me with morphine for pain is about as effective as injecting me with saline solution.

 

Therefore, it should come as no surprise some people can ingest copious carbs, and stay as thin as a rake, whereas others react to carbs by stacking on the kilos. I know I am in the latter category.

 

Happy New Year.

On second thought, maybe fruit in Thailand isn't the best idea:

 

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2928616/tests-show-high-levels-of-pesticide

On 12/29/2024 at 2:53 AM, Walker88 said:

Carbo-phobia is way out of hand. Individual metabolism varies, as does the amount of exercise people do.

 

I eat a ton of carbs---pizza, pasta, French bread---though I also aim for 2 gm/kg/day of protein. I hit the gym 6 days a week for resistance training and cardio/HIIT. 

 

I just had a complete physical. HbA1c is 5.2. Tryglycerides are 66 mg/L, while thyroid and liver readings are normal.  HDL-C is 68. Body fat is 11%. Doctor did not say to lay off the carbs.

 

Carbs do not seem to be the bogeyman those chiropractors claim.

 

If you eat lots of carbs, that's the answer.

On 12/28/2024 at 12:21 AM, Airalee said:

Carnivore definitely helped me clear up many issues but there are a few unanswered questions that I have.  The biggest question/concern is that of dehydration.  For me, when on the Lion Diet, I noticed that I would be so dry that my voice started to change.  Almost to the point of a dry raspiness.  It didn’t matter how much water I drank.  

 

When you eat carbohydrates, your body converts them into glucose. Whatever glucose isn’t immediately used for energy can be stored as glycogen in your muscles and liver (then fat is not used). For every gram of glycogen stored, your body holds on to about 3 to 4 grams of water. So your body physically retains more water. Your blood pressure goes up too.

 

On the flip side, when you go low carb and high protein, you produce more nitrogenous waste (urea), which also requires some water to excrete and thus make you thirstier. I mean...  you drastically reduced carbs, so your glycogen stores plummeted, and your body now doesn’t hold on to as much sodium or water (it doesn't need too). That’s why people on low-carb diets often experience an initial whoosh of weight loss (water weight) and can become dehydrated if they don’t consciously keep up fluids, especially electrolytes.

 

Eventually with good quality meat your body will reach equilibrium. Your body is working of Ketones now... not sugar. It needs fatty foods. I find my water intake is lower than usual. I just don't feel thirsty. Any excess water I drink will just be flush out of the system (along with good minerals). There is such thing as drinking too much water. I think our water needs are based on SAD diet... If you feels thirsty drink water. Use the color of your urine as an indicator (Light Yellow)

11 minutes ago, JGon said:

 

When you eat carbohydrates, your body converts them into glucose. Whatever glucose isn’t immediately used for energy can be stored as glycogen in your muscles and liver (then fat is not used). For every gram of glycogen stored, your body holds on to about 3 to 4 grams of water. So your body physically retains more water. Your blood pressure goes up too.

 

On the flip side, when you go low carb and high protein, you produce more nitrogenous waste (urea), which also requires some water to excrete and thus make you thirstier. I mean...  you drastically reduced carbs, so your glycogen stores plummeted, and your body now doesn’t hold on to as much sodium or water (it doesn't need too). That’s why people on low-carb diets often experience an initial whoosh of weight loss (water weight) and can become dehydrated if they don’t consciously keep up fluids, especially electrolytes.

 

Eventually with good quality meat your body will reach equilibrium. Your body is working of Ketones now... not sugar. It needs fatty foods. I find my water intake is lower than usual. I just don't feel thirsty. Any excess water I drink will just be flush out of the system (along with good minerals). There is such thing as drinking too much water. I think our water needs are based on SAD diet... If you feels thirsty drink water. Use the color of your urine as an indicator (Light Yellow)

Yeah….I knew about the glycogen retaining water and also about the initial water weight that most people lose (about 8 lbs) from having been on a ketogenic diet for many years (of course, with periods of falling off the wagon).  When eating strict carnivore (grass fed beef for the omega 3s + butter if eating leaner cuts of meat) and even adding Himalayan salt to the water as some of the carnivore MDs suggested I still felt dry.  Most of the electrolytes sold have a ton of sugar in them so I have started taking magnesium and potassium supplements on occasion.

 

I’m somewhat skeptical of what the carnivore MDs say about not needing to supplement with electrolytes (Even though many seemed to be sponsored by LMNT)  other than keeping sodium content up (hence, their beef, salt, water recommendations) and also stating that your body will produce everything you need.  
 

The reason for my skepticism is that I have noticed their voice changes also.  There was one YouTuber who actually did a short video talking about that specifically and showing the difference in their voices over a period of time.  Dr’s Kiltz and Baker seem to have it the worst but it is never addressed on any of their videos. Jordan Peterson is another person where I see the voice change.
 

Most people only seem to be concerned about the constipation (which is actually improved for me when eating carnivore) aspect and a few seem to lose a bit of hair temporarily.

 

I think that many of the people trying it out are so enamored with the weight loss that they overlook any potential issues.  Myself, I use the diet to control psoriasis as the medication offered had horrible side effects.  It was never for weight loss because I had mostly always actively exercised and generally ate healthy even with a normal diet.  Only for a very short period in my life was I overweight…due to my own personal neglect.

 

Thanks for your thoughtful response 🙏 

Myself I haven't noticed any changes to my voice but I usually don't pay too much attention to that. In evolutionary terms we eat like that (mostly fats) for millennia.  Maybe our voice is supposed to be like that (speculating) or maybe it affect some people differently (most likely). I know personally all the minor health issues I used to have (like spots on the skin) disappeared. Also back pain, inflammation in general. Of course I was skeptical at first since I was so brainwashed about fats being bad for you. But when I did my first blood work after months on the diet... all my skepticism went away, along with my blood pressure dropping from 140/90 at 90kg to 110/65 at 78 kg. Then there are the changes to my jaw and teeth (Maybe from all the chewing) but my jawline changed and my teeth straighten out. Like my jaw widen. But I'm not hardcore (like the Aussie Doctor) eating only meat. I include salads, avocadoes, and other low carb things. In my mind I should eat like 20,000 years ago Omnivore... not just pure carnivore.  

On 12/28/2024 at 3:55 PM, CallumWK said:

 

Really sad when people can't read between the lines of a post to understand the point. Especially those that litter the forum with their wisdom day in day out

Those that don't like what I write can use the ignore function. If they don't, they can take their complaints and shove it.

On 12/29/2024 at 4:45 PM, henryford1958 said:

I was out on Christmas Eve and was amazed at how many young Thai women were grossly overweight. Where do they even buy clothes to fit their massive behinds.

When there is profit to be made, someone will provide.

Don't know if the obvious has been pointed out yet ...

... there are a lot of old people

... there area lot of obese people

... doesn't seem to be a lot of old, obese people 

On 12/28/2024 at 4:46 PM, renaissanc said:

If you eat lots of fried food and street stall food I think you can't help but become fat.

OR

Get more active. Weight is a balance between input of energy and output of energy. If one's input exceeds output, the balance is stored. When output is the same or more than input, we do not store energy.

Just happen to notice this ... the lack of those 36% of overly obese people walking around.  Not seeing 1/3 of the people waddling down the walkway, like you see the westerner that visit Thailand in the tourist areas.

 

Reality vs selective BS