This one is for the Russian apologists.

[MalcolmB]

It is people like Bob that makes a lot of us Brit’s apologists.

 

We have to explain to normal people that not all Brits are like Bob, most of us are normal humans.

 

I feel sorry for Bobs wife, imagine have to listen to constant complaining all day.

[MalcolmB]

3 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Hi Bob , so our bashing Russian's today , tomorrow it will be Thai's for sure,

I was hoping your new years resolution was going to be live and let live ,

 

regards Worgeordie 

 

How do you think it will go?

A waitress mixes up his order?

A Thai man didn’t want to be his friend? 
He couldn’t fill out a simple form? 
 

He is very delicate.

[zmisha]

7 hours ago, BarBoy said:

and Putin should be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

 

plain and simple.

The plain and simple things about all the wars is that courts and tribunals are the concern of the winners.
There is nothing more boring than dividing the skin of an unkilled bear.

[G_Money]

2 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

It is people like Bob that makes a lot of us Brit’s apologists.

 

We have to explain to normal people that not all Brits are like Bob, most of us are normal humans.

 

I feel sorry for Bobs wife, imagine have to listen to constant complaining all day.

Bob is American   Retired submarine sailor..  

[zmisha]

It looks like the babushka in the video had no idea how to end this war and was trying to come up with something, but nothing good came to mind.

[rattlesnake]

6 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Oh my!  Vicky Nuland?

 

I have seen this silly nonsense in the past, and it is laughable, except to those who "do research" on the internet, which means goal seek and engage in confirmation bias.

 

What ^that poster is trying to talk about and suggest he "knows things from his research" is from years ago when Maidan Square happened and the former PM Yanukovych of Ukraine---a Putin stooge---was overthrown. He was PM after the GRU poisoned a former Ukraine PM, Yushchenko, with dioxin.

 

If anyone actually knows Vicky Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt, they laugh at these silly internet conspiracy theories and at those who believe them.

 

She probably laughs the hardest at the plebs who defend her… Regarding the Ukrainian theatre, here is a little example, from 2014, of the long-standing interventionist doctrine she was one of the vectors of (and which hopefully will soon stop):

 

The text says “allegedly”, but Nuland later publicly apologised for this conversation, acknowledging that she was indeed the person referred to:

'F**k the EU,' US envoy says in leaked recording

The diplomat allegedly heard in the clip – Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland – is heard discussing strategies for resolving the political crisis in Ukraine with US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt. Nuland refers to getting the United Nations involved in negotiating a solution in Kiev. “So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing, and have the UN help glue it, and you know ... F**k the EU,” she said in the recording.
[…]
Nuland is also heard weighing in on the make-up of the next Ukrainian government. She is heard telling Ambassador Pyatt that she doesn’t think Vitaly Klitschko, the boxer-turned-politician who is a main opposition leader, should have a role in a new government. “So I don’t think Klitsch (Klitschko) should go into the government,” she said. “I don’t think it’s necessary. I don’t think it’s a good idea.”

https://www.france24.com/en/20140207-ukraine-usa-eu-nuland-leaked-audio

[newbee2022]

14 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

She is correct. The war will most probably end in 2025 as the US administration changes.

Not because of Trump but no Ukrainian soldiers left

[soalbundy]

15 hours ago, BarBoy said:

 

...Check out the babushka from 48 seconds in and let me know what you think.

You'll find people like that in every country involved in a conflict, during the Vietnam war there were people who thought that using nuclear weapons on North Vietnam would be a good idea.

[1happykamper]

So how exactly do these Russians afford to travel to Thailand? 

[TedG]

15 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

She is correct. The war will most probably end in 2025 as the US administration changes.

The war will end once the Russian economy collapses. 

[tomazbodner]

16 hours ago, BarBoy said:

..Check out the babushka from 48 seconds in and let me know what you think.

The man at about 5 minutes mark is a counterweight to that woman at the beginning, and the most concerning part are the last 15 seconds - Many Russians are willing to let the man at the top to decide their future.

[BarBoy]

52 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

You'll find people like that in every country involved in a conflict, during the Vietnam war there were people who thought that using nuclear weapons on North Vietnam would be a good idea.

I also find them here.

 

I have also found that most, if not all Russians hiding in Thailand avoiding the draft are cowards.

 

I have confronted them many times and the blokes are soft as sh!te.

 

They are all about the drunken macho bravado, but underneath that usually lies a soft person terrified of any conflict...

[Sorted2024]

16 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Only a Putin lackey could spout such in the context of this thread.

Rattlesnake is spot on TBH.

[soalbundy]

Just now, BarBoy said:

I also find them here.

 

I have also found that most, if not all Russians hiding in Thailand avoiding the draft are cowards.

 

I have confronted them many times and the blokes are soft as sh!te.

 

They are all about the drunken macho bravado, but underneath that usually lies a soft person terrified of conflict...

Being terrified of armed conflict sounds like a sensible case of self preservation. If you have ever watched actual films of the battles in WW1 for instance it would seem quite reasonable to avoid being drafted by any means especially considering the high casualty rates among the Russians. All governments, especially the Russian government take a cynical approach to the welfare of their soldiers, being disabled after a war means a life of poverty in a 'caring society' in a 'home fit for heroes'. Why anyone should think it manly to kill somebody you don't know just because some politician tells you to do so is beyond me. Most human beings find it abhorrent to kill, it is interesting to note that most bullets fired during both world wars by all sides were never aimed directly at another man, many refused to fire at all, the Germans even had a name for it, 'frost bite trigger finger'.

[BarBoy]

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

Being terrified of armed conflict sounds like a sensible case of self preservation. If you have ever watched actual films of the battles in WW1 for instance it would seem quite reasonable to avoid being drafted by any means especially considering the high casualty rates among the Russians. All governments, especially the Russian government take a cynical approach to the welfare of their soldiers, being disabled after a war means a life of poverty in a 'caring society' in a 'home fit for heroes'. Why anyone should think it manly to kill somebody you don't know just because some politician tells you to do so is beyond me. Most human beings find it abhorrent to kill, it is interesting to note that most bullets fired during both world wars by all sides were never aimed directly at another man, many refused to fire at all, the Germans even had a name for it, 'frost bite trigger finger'.

When I said conflict, I meant in terms of me confronting them

 

The men seem cowardly but most still support their supreme leader.

 

I just wish they would all bugger off to the front lines and act as cannon fodder.

I've had enough of their loutish, brash, uncouth behavior.

[phetphet]

I don't see anything wrong with the interview. The woman in the black coat was asked questions and gave her thoughts.

Obviously some Russians will support Putin and his actions. Others want peace. 

[BritManToo]

I was amazed how well stocked the supermarket was, 20 years back it would have been empty with 100s of people queuing.

Russia has come a long way under Putin, I'm not surprised the people like him.

[Thingamabob]

Russian men have always been heavy vodka drinkers which can indeed lead to loutish behaviour. However it would be a mistake to write them off as cowardly draft-dodgers. They proved their worth in 2 world wars.

[Skeptic7]

Ha❗Haven't heard the word "babushka" in decades. Both my grandparents, as children, escaped to the USA from "Frussia" around the time the Czar was overthrown. Their parents were very smart getting them out. I remember them using "babushka", but for its other meaning...a headscarf. Thanks for the memory. 

[connda]

bob smith aka BarBoy is back, right down to the periodic changes in avatars. 
"I'm leaving for Spain."
Sure ya did.

[BarBoy]

4 minutes ago, connda said:

bob smith aka BarBoy is back, right down to the periodic changes in avatars. 
"I'm leaving for Spain."
Sure ya did.

that's a little presumptuous, don't you think?

 

and I've never been to Spain, nor do I wish to visit.

[wombat]

19 hours ago, BarBoy said:

let me know what you think.

i think i dont believe the media from either side going by what has been published historically on other conflicts

[frank83628]

19 hours ago, BarBoy said:

and Putin should be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

 

plain and simple.

For what crimes exactly? We can compare lists with Blair, Bush and every western head since the end of WW2

[BarBoy]

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

For what crimes exactly? We can compare lists with Blair, Bush and every western head since the end of WW2

absolutely ridiculous reply, not even worth a coherent and educated response so you will have to make do with this!

[transam]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

For what crimes exactly? We can compare lists with Blair, Bush and every western head since the end of WW2

Do you keep having to be reminded that your hero Putin invaded a neighbour, slaughtering civilians in doing so, for NOTHING.

What on earth is the matter with you............................

[blazes]

19 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Only a Putin lackey could spout such in the context of this thread.

 

Anyone who does not know what Nuland has been up to in the Ukraine is a lackey of Washington.  Not much difference between being a Putin lackey and a Washington swamp lackey....

[BarBoy]

3 minutes ago, blazes said:

 

Anyone who does not know what Nuland has been up to in the Ukraine is a lackey of Washington.  Not much difference between being a Putin lackey and a Washington swamp lackey....

...why don't you move to Russia if you love it/them that much?

 

and before you retort with a smarmy remark, I am planning a trip to Ukraine to visit the lovely ladies there and make a toast with the Ukrainian men once the war is over...

[blazes]

19 hours ago, Lacessit said:

It's clear older people in Russia are brainwashed by Kremlin propaganda, but now are really seeing the consequences for them in a ruined economy.

 

14,0000 rubles a month is USD 140. That's living in penury.

 

Is Kremlin propaganda worse than the propaganda of the American MSM which (like the Russians) withheld the truth about the Biden incapacity for 4 years from their gullible viewers??  

(Whereas, anyone who watches Fox News,  the medium snobbishly reviled by many, knew all along precisely how demented Biden was from way before Day 1 of his "presidency.")

[BarBoy]

4 minutes ago, blazes said:

 

Is Kremlin propaganda worse than the propaganda of the American MSM which (like the Russians) withheld the truth about the Biden incapacity for 4 years from their gullible viewers??  

(Whereas, anyone who watches Fox News,  the medium snobbishly reviled by many, knew all along precisely how demented Biden was from way before Day 1 of his "presidency.")

American 'propaganda' is allowed to be openly scrutinized by the public and the media.

 

Try doing that in Russia and see how long you live after the fact.....

[blazes]

10 minutes ago, BarBoy said:

...why don't you move to Russia if you love it/them that much?

 

and before you retort with a smarmy remark, I am planning a trip to Ukraine to visit the lovely ladies there and make a toast with the Ukrainian men once the war is over...

 

You are a very sad purveyor of mindless and very pathetic drivel .  No harm in "planning" a trip to Ukraine, but I doubt an American apologist like you will be given a very warm welcome when you figure out how to get there.....