43 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

You wanna rely on COVID advice from this guy:

 

 

No way I would trust that fruitcake.

I rather get all the 'Covid-$cience' from a masked bulldog...

 

You need to trust the Branch Covidians.  They are “on the side of science”

 

 

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

More content from the OP poster's stable of nonsense content.

 

Looking for COVID expertise, turn to:

 

James Edward Taylor 

@jamesedwardtaylor

 

Freethinker, heart breaker, dream maker, love taker. We must escape the Cave. Who's with me?

 

https://substack.com/@jamesedwardtaylor

 

You wanna rely on COVID advice from this guy:

 

Come on, he's an expert. We're lucky to have him sharing his well-researched wizdumb. Why, from that guy I'd take advice on how to raise kids, what my asset allocation should be in terms of equities, fixed income, cash and physicals, my exercise protocol, and hair growth. As a bonus, he could teach me how to take dramatic selfies with eyes that scream "Do you know what THEY are trying to do to you!"

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

And here a Bonus question >

 

31. Did you know that researchers have discovered 55 undisclosed chemical elements, including 11 heavy metals, in the shots?

 

= = =

I might also suggest that you stop breathing. That's for your own good. Scientists, as well as chiropractors no doubt, have found that air is filled with lots of heavy metals in Thailand, as is most locally grown produce. Seafood is even worse, so take that shrimp off the barbie.

 

What's the data say on people who stop breathing vs those who continue to harm themselves by breathing air filled with heavy metals?

 

By the way, there is increasing evidence that naming a son "James Taylor" is highly correlated with baldness. You can't argue with facts. Plain as day. Don't do that to your own kids. Please. AT least throw in an extra initial, as the former lead singer of Kool and the Gang still sports some hair, but his parents were prescient enough to name him J. T. Taylor. Whew! Lucky.

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I didn't know some of the points.

 

I must take issue with #14. ''Were you aware of the recent study that showed that the C19 injection does not protect you from “long covid” symptoms?'' 

 

Long covid is made up nonsense. There is no such thing. A big-pharma fantasy to cover up vax damage.

 

You are wrong.

 

I had COVID after two vaccinations. Three days of a runny nose and sore throat, finish.

 

An UNVACCINATED friend of mine got COVID about the same time as I did. Prior to the infection, he would walk 10 miles a day, for exercise.

 

After COVID, he could barely walk to his front gate for months, and had memory loss and confusion.

 

Long COVID is real.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Realistically, our opinions are too divergent. 

 

Your comments imply you don't believe in vaccines - nature alone would not have protected you from Polo to Smallpox, Measles. Rubella (German Measles). Mumps, Diphtheria, Pertussis (Whooping Cough), Tetanus, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib). Yellow Fever etc etc etc.. 

 

There is so much scientific evidence proving the efficacy and necessity of vaccines, if you are refusing to accept medically and scientifically proven facts then there is no more point in entering the debate with you than there is with a flat earther or a moon landing denier.

 

If it is only the Covid-19 vaccines which you question, primarily because of the speed with which they were produced, then your argument might have little more credibility - however, the arguments presented in the list of questions you provide can readily be countered - any debate is still too much like arguing with someone impossibly ignorant of proven facts.

 

Thanks for responding Sir.

 

''Your comments imply you don't believe in vaccines - nature alone would not have protected you from Polio to Smallpox, Measles. Rubella (German Measles). Mumps, Diphtheria, Pertussis (Whooping Cough), Tetanus, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib). Yellow Fever etc etc etc..''

 

If I could comment on the first three of your examples. Polio is not caused by a virus. The illness is not transmissible. Pox is the body desperately trying to rid itself of toxins. The symptoms of smallpox, chicken pox, measles etc, are virtually indistinguishable from one another. But none of the 'poxes' are caused by a virus. And nor are they transmissible.

 

''There is so much scientific evidence proving the efficacy and necessity of vaccines, if you are refusing to accept medically and scientifically proven facts then there is no more point in entering the debate with you than there is with a flat earther or a moon landing denier.''

 

There is no scientific evidence to support that claim Richard. As for being medically and scientifically proven facts; well I can't find any. I, and others, have been searching for some considerable time. In my case for over 40 years. You are stating what you think is true. Ask yourself; ''Is it true what people with vested interests say?'' And would you believe them? Only one conclusion.

 

Must ask yourself; ''What are vaccines for?'' Answering that, will go part-way to finding your truth.

 

Did man walk on the moon? Another topic for that Richard.

 

 

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

You are wrong.

 

I had COVID after two vaccinations. Three days of a runny nose and sore throat, finish.

 

An UNVACCINATED friend of mine got COVID about the same time as I did. Prior to the infection, he would walk 10 miles a day, for exercise.

 

After COVID, he could barely walk to his front gate for months, and had memory loss and confusion.

 

Long COVID is real.

Good you came through your sickness OK Sir. Sorry about your mate.

 

You might have had symptoms that we were all told were covid. But covid has never been shown to be anything other than in the imagination of the elite WHO and in computer programmes. I think - without checking - that Tedros  announced its name 'covid-19' on 11th Feb 2020. Although it was common knowledge that one was coming (the following year) in November 2019.

 

Covid is not even real. How can long covid be anything but nonsense?

 

Dr Vernon Coleman has always insisted that covid was/is the rebranded flu. I'll go with that.

35 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Good you came through your sickness OK Sir. Sorry about your mate.

 

You might have had symptoms that we were all told were covid. But covid has never been shown to be anything other than in the imagination of the elite WHO and in computer programmes. I think - without checking - that Tedros  announced its name 'covid-19' on 11th Feb 2020. Although it was common knowledge that one was coming (the following year) in November 2019.

 

Covid is not even real. How can long covid be anything but nonsense?

 

Dr Vernon Coleman has always insisted that covid was/is the rebranded flu. I'll go with that.

"Vernon Edward Coleman is an English conspiracy theorist and writer, who writes on topics related to human health, politics and animal welfare. He was formerly a general practitioner and newspaper columnist. Coleman's medical claims have been widely discredited and described as pseudoscientific conspiracy theories."

 

AFAIK COVID detection kits do not detect flu. The flu virus is 80 -120 nm in diameter. COVID is 125 nm in diameter. Calling coronavirus rebranded flu is plain ridiculous.

 

Long COVID was very real to my mate.

 

I have just given you evidence long COVID exists.

 

"What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." What is your evidence COVID is rebranded flu? What is your evidence long COVID does not exist?

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Good you came through your sickness OK Sir. Sorry about your mate.

 

You might have had symptoms that we were all told were covid. But covid has never been shown to be anything other than in the imagination of the elite WHO and in computer programmes. I think - without checking - that Tedros  announced its name 'covid-19' on 11th Feb 2020. Although it was common knowledge that one was coming (the following year) in November 2019.

 

Covid is not even real. How can long covid be anything but nonsense?

 

Dr Vernon Coleman has always insisted that covid was/is the rebranded flu. I'll go with that.

You're such a pushover.  By the way, I've got a bridge you might be interested in.

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Thanks for responding Sir.

 

''Your comments imply you don't believe in vaccines - nature alone would not have protected you from Polio to Smallpox, Measles. Rubella (German Measles). Mumps, Diphtheria, Pertussis (Whooping Cough), Tetanus, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib). Yellow Fever etc etc etc..''

 

If I could comment on the first three of your examples. Polio is not caused by a virus. The illness is not transmissible. Pox is the body desperately trying to rid itself of toxins. The symptoms of smallpox, chicken pox, measles etc, are virtually indistinguishable from one another. But none of the 'poxes' are caused by a virus. And nor are they transmissible.

 

''There is so much scientific evidence proving the efficacy and necessity of vaccines, if you are refusing to accept medically and scientifically proven facts then there is no more point in entering the debate with you than there is with a flat earther or a moon landing denier.''

 

There is no scientific evidence to support that claim Richard. As for being medically and scientifically proven facts; well I can't find any. I, and others, have been searching for some considerable time. In my case for over 40 years. You are stating what you think is true. Ask yourself; ''Is it true what people with vested interests say?'' And would you believe them? Only one conclusion.

 

Must ask yourself; ''What are vaccines for?'' Answering that, will go part-way to finding your truth.

 

Did man walk on the moon? Another topic for that Richard.

 

Polio (poliomyelitis) is caused by a virus known as the poliovirus which is a member of the Picornaviridae family and belongs to the genus Enterovirus.

 

Smallpox is caused by a virus called the variola virus, which belongs to the Orthopoxvirus genus within the Poxviridae family.

 

Before they were controlled by vaccines, these diseases were highly transmissible.

 

This is why I don't want to bother arguing with you - You don't even have the basics right.

10 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Polio (poliomyelitis) is caused by a virus known as the poliovirus which is a member of the Picornaviridae family and belongs to the genus Enterovirus.

 

Smallpox is caused by a virus called the variola virus, which belongs to the Orthopoxvirus genus within the Poxviridae family.

 

Before they were controlled by vaccines, these diseases were highly transmissible.

 

This is why I don't want to bother arguing with you - You don't even have the basics right.

Where did you get that info from? The CDC web site?

 

Polio is cause by toxins, and a toxic environment. Nothing to do with a virus. By the way, the polio 'virus' was 'discovered' somet 120 years ago by some white-coat injecting filth into monkey's brains. Just ridiculous then. Even more so now. But they are still at it.  Not transmissible.

 

Smallpox is a general term that was given to skin eruptions (and other symptoms) for centuries. It was/is caused by environmental conditions. No virus involved what-so-ever. Not transmissible.

 

All these vaccines are pushed forward as a way for rich people to become even richer. Hopefully Kennedy will sort out the nonsense. Although I will not ne holding my breath. But there is some hope.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

10 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

You're such a pushover.  By the way, I've got a bridge you might be interested in.

Bridge over the River Kwai?

11 hours ago, Lacessit said:

AFAIK COVID detection kits do not detect flu. The flu virus is 80 -120 nm in diameter. COVID is 125 nm in diameter. Calling coronavirus rebranded flu is plain ridiculous.

Dr Vernon Coleman is a very well respected doctor. He has stepped on many toes with his words. They tried to shut him down many times. In saying that; I don't agree with much of what he has to say. But on the 'covid is the rebranded flu' I agree.

 

There is no test that can detect something that does not exist. don't know where you got that nonsense from Sir.

 

A so-called 'virus' is indistinguishable from general cell and tissue debris.

23 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Bridge over the River Kwai?

Rhymes with Good Bye.

14 hours ago, Walker88 said:

I might also suggest that you stop breathing. That's for your own good. Scientists, as well as chiropractors no doubt, have found that air is filled with lots of heavy metals in Thailand, as is most locally grown produce. Seafood is even worse, so take that shrimp off the barbie.

 

What's the data say on people who stop breathing vs those who continue to harm themselves by breathing air filled with heavy metals?

 

By the way, there is increasing evidence that naming a son "James Taylor" is highly correlated with baldness. You can't argue with facts. Plain as day. Don't do that to your own kids. Please. AT least throw in an extra initial, as the former lead singer of Kool and the Gang still sports some hair, but his parents were prescient enough to name him J. T. Taylor. Whew! Lucky.

I couldn't agree more.

 

Do you know if it's safe to listen to heavy metal?  

33 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Where did you get that info from? The CDC web site?

 

Polio is cause by toxins, and a toxic environment. Nothing to do with a virus. By the way, the polio 'virus' was 'discovered' somet 120 years ago by some white-coat injecting filth into monkey's brains. Just ridiculous then. Even more so now. But they are still at it.  Not transmissible.

 

Smallpox is a general term that was given to skin eruptions (and other symptoms) for centuries. It was/is caused by environmental conditions. No virus involved what-so-ever. Not transmissible.

 

All these vaccines are pushed forward as a way for rich people to become even richer. Hopefully Kennedy will sort out the nonsense. Although I will not ne holding my breath. But there is some hope.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

"But there is some hope." But none for you.

5 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

"But there is some hope." But none for you.

None for me?! Because you don't agree with me.

 

I don't accept the general explanation of why we get sick. When we do, I don't agree with the white-coats on what we should do about it. I do not agree with what the white-coats say we should do to avoid getting sick.

 

I'm against the WHO. They seem more interested in helping companies get richer than actually making the world less sick. And perhaps more importantly; avoiding sickness in the first place.

 

So Sir. What is there that I agree with but you don't? Never mind the one-liners; let's debate.

On 1/3/2025 at 7:08 PM, Denim said:

Jeez. Give it a rest and move on or write something interesting about Spanish flu.

 

Ah yes! The Spanish flu. Interesting topic that. Deserves a thread of its own.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Where did you get that info from? The CDC web site?

 

Polio is cause by toxins, and a toxic environment. Nothing to do with a virus. By the way, the polio 'virus' was 'discovered' somet 120 years ago by some white-coat injecting filth into monkey's brains. Just ridiculous then. Even more so now. But they are still at it.  Not transmissible.

 

Smallpox is a general term that was given to skin eruptions (and other symptoms) for centuries. It was/is caused by environmental conditions. No virus involved what-so-ever. Not transmissible.

 

All these vaccines are pushed forward as a way for rich people to become even richer. Hopefully Kennedy will sort out the nonsense. Although I will not ne holding my breath. But there is some hope.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

What an absolute load of garbage and nonsense and your total misunderstanding of long-standing science. In fact I will go as far as to say you have purposely posted your rubbish to gain some following from the other dipsticks who believe your nonsense.

 

Let's take smallpox for example and way back in 1796 when the first "vaccine" was used, there was no CDC website and it was up to doctors and scientists to come up with a method to combat the smallpox virus and Dr Edward Jenner, Louis Pasteur and John Fewster (earlier than Jenner) were instrumental in doing this.

 

Your misguided beliefs are laughable and you should really be posting on a Walt Disney website, because that's where your comments belong.

 

 

 

12 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Polio (poliomyelitis) is caused by a virus known as the poliovirus which is a member of the Picornaviridae family and belongs to the genus Enterovirus.

 

Smallpox is caused by a virus called the variola virus, which belongs to the Orthopoxvirus genus within the Poxviridae family.

 

Before they were controlled by vaccines, these diseases were highly transmissible.

 

This is why I don't want to bother arguing with you - You don't even have the basics right.

Seeing posts like the one you are referring to is absolutely amazing in this day and age, and I can totally understand your reluctance to get involved (debate or discuss) with this dipstick, so best to ignore him and his inane ramblings.

All the same, keep up your good work, because you bring up some good points in your posts.

19 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

  

 

I'll play...    just this once, to out the lack of credibility in the questions you posted...   

....and after that I can't be bothered arguing with idiots - there's enough of that in other threads... 

 

 

1. "Shot recipients demonstrate a 37% loss of life expectancy over non-recipients."

This claim is unsupported by credible data. Life expectancy studies are complex and require decades of longitudinal data. COVID-19 vaccines have only been available since late 2020, making it impossible to determine their long-term impact on life expectancy. Numerous studies, including from the CDC and WHO, show vaccines reduce severe illness and mortality.

 

2. "Each booster rollout is statistically correlated with a new wave of deaths."

Waves of deaths during the pandemic have been linked to the emergence of new variants, not vaccine rollouts. Boosters were introduced in response to waning immunity and variants like Delta and Omicron. Correlation does not imply causation; rigorous studies show boosters significantly reduce severe outcomes.

 

3. "Rats demonstrate autistic behavior after receiving COVID shots."

No reputable scientific studies link COVID-19 vaccines to autism, either in humans or animals. This claim appears to misuse or misinterpret behavioral studies in animals. The association between vaccines and autism has been debunked repeatedly by global health organizations.

 

4. "Florida’s Surgeon General warned against anyone taking further shots owing to their terrible safety profile and negative efficacy."

Florida's Surgeon General has taken controversial stances that contradict broader medical consensus. The CDC, WHO, and FDA confirm COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective in reducing severe disease and death. Negative efficacy claims are often based on flawed studies that don't account for confounders like timing or population differences.

 

5. "Young people are dropping dead or becoming disabled at a higher rate since the rollout."

No credible evidence supports this claim. Sudden deaths among young people often attract media attention, but epidemiological studies do not show an increased mortality rate in vaccinated populations. On the contrary, vaccines have been shown to reduce risks associated with severe COVID-19 in young people.

 

6. "99 million vaccine records found alarming safety signals for myocarditis, pericarditis, etc."

Myocarditis and pericarditis are rare side effects of mRNA vaccines, particularly in young men. However, the risk of these conditions from COVID-19 infection itself is significantly higher. Regulatory bodies like the CDC and EMA have acknowledged this risk, but the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks.

 

7. "Six papers connect these shots with turbo cancer."

There is no widely accepted evidence linking COVID-19 vaccines to cancer acceleration ("turbo cancer"). Claims like this often rely on anecdotal reports or poorly controlled studies. Leading cancer research organizations confirm no link between vaccines and cancer development.

 

8. "Former CDC director admitted the agency hid known side effects."

Public health agencies like the CDC are transparent about vaccine side effects, as evident in public reports and advisory panel discussions. Misrepresentations of officials' statements are common in vaccine misinformation.

 

9. "Five state Attorneys General are suing Pfizer for fraud."

Lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies can be filed for various reasons, but filing does not equate to guilt. Pfizer's clinical trials and vaccine approvals underwent extensive scrutiny. Any findings of intentional wrongdoing would be subject to legal proceedings and evidence.

 

10. "An estimated 16.9 million vaccine-associated deaths by December 2022."

This number appears to be fabricated. Global vaccine safety monitoring systems like VAERS and WHO's VigiBase have not reported such figures. Adverse events are rigorously tracked, and claims of widespread deaths are unsupported by global mortality data.

 

11. "The injections do nothing to reduce severe illness."

Numerous studies from the CDC, WHO, and independent research confirm that COVID-19 vaccines significantly reduce the risk of severe illness, hospitalization, and death. These findings are consistent across diverse populations and variants.

 

12. "Study of 1.7 million children showed heart damage only in C19-injected kids."

This claim likely misrepresents findings. Mild myocarditis in children post-vaccination is extremely rare and resolves quickly in most cases. Meanwhile, COVID-19 infection poses a higher risk of severe heart complications.

 

13. "Japanese Adverse Drug Event Report database showed an alarming risk of myocarditis."

Japanese health authorities have acknowledged rare cases of myocarditis but emphasize that the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks. This database monitors adverse events, but causation must be confirmed through controlled studies.

 

14. "C19 injection does not protect you from 'long COVID' symptoms."

Vaccines reduce the risk of developing long COVID by lowering the likelihood of severe infection. While breakthrough cases occur, multiple studies show vaccinated individuals are less likely to experience long-term symptoms.

 

15. "1236% surge in excess cardiac arrest deaths among C19 injection recipients."

Such a figure lacks context and credible sourcing. Sudden cardiac deaths can have many causes, and rigorous studies have not shown a significant increase linked to COVID-19 vaccines. Claims like this often misinterpret data from adverse event reporting systems.

Thanks for taking the time with this. These ant-vaxers won't listen though. It's all hearsay and pseudo science with them, relying on very tenuos 'results' and 'facts' from obscure individuals with absolutely no qualifications in the matter. But these 'experts' do serve an important purpose for them by amplifying the echo chambers they so enthusiastically inhabit.  As mentioned by other posters, not worth the debate though as there's absolutley nothing you could say to them that'll change their view.

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Dr Vernon Coleman is a very well respected doctor. He has stepped on many toes with his words. They tried to shut him down many times. In saying that; I don't agree with much of what he has to say. But on the 'covid is the rebranded flu' I agree.

 

There is no test that can detect something that does not exist. don't know where you got that nonsense from Sir.

 

A so-called 'virus' is indistinguishable from general cell and tissue debris.

Wrong. Again.

 

You are obviously unaware of analytical techniques such as polymerase chain reactions (PCR) and Scanning Electron Microscopy ( SEM ).

 

The PCR test detects the DNA  of a virus. DNA sequencing is then used to define the structure of the virus. The DNA sequence of COVID differs from flu.

 

When observed under a SEM, it is quite clear the size and morphology of flu and coronavirus are different. That's where COVID gets its name, from the crowning spike protein.

 

In your response, you did not advance one shred of physical evidence, only a belief in some quack seeking fame by being contrarian.

 

Go argue with the SEM images. They will have more patience with fools than I do.

 

 

15 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Good you came through your sickness OK Sir. Sorry about your mate.

 

You might have had symptoms that we were all told were covid. But covid has never been shown to be anything other than in the imagination of the elite WHO and in computer programmes. I think - without checking - that Tedros  announced its name 'covid-19' on 11th Feb 2020. Although it was common knowledge that one was coming (the following year) in November 2019.

 

Covid is not even real. How can long covid be anything but nonsense?

 

Dr Vernon Coleman has always insisted that covid was/is the rebranded flu. I'll go with that.

 

The SARS cov-2  virus is real and documented. To say otherwise is  a lie. It is not an alternative viewpoint, but is a denial of established, demonstrated fact.  The virus  typically results in a severe acute respiratory syndrome, hence the nomenclature of SARS. The virus is not an influenza virus and is not related. It is a coronavirus. Because  coronaviruses can also cause colds, ignorant people are confused. These are the same people who suffer a cold and claim they have the flu. Because  early symptoms are similar, they are easily confused. There is no evidence to support the claim that  the SARS virus is a flu virus.

 

The people promoting these claims  are either profoundly mentally ill and/or get their jollies from disseminating false information. If they were held accountable for their claims, they wouldn't dare make them.

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The SARS cov-2  virus is real and documented. To say otherwise is  a lie. It is not an alternative viewpoint, but is a denial of established, demonstrated fact.  The virus  typically results in a severe acute respiratory syndrome, hence the nomenclature of SARS. The virus is not an influenza virus and is not related. It is a coronavirus. Because  coronaviruses can also cause colds, ignorant people are confused. These are the same people who suffer a cold and claim they have the flu. Because  early symptoms are similar, they are easily confused. There is no evidence to support the claim that  the SARS virus is a flu virus.

 

The people promoting these claims  are either profoundly mentally ill and/or get their jollies from disseminating false information. If they were held accountable for their claims, they wouldn't dare make them.

Many would look forward to "debunking " you 

Now I recently found that word,  obviously you agree you can be "debunked" 

Just now, georgegeorgia said:

Many would look forward to "debunking " you 

Now I recently found that word,  obviously you agree you can be "debunked" 

Go away pest.

4 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Go away pest.

Yes , you just couldn't take the *debunking " , get off your high horse !

20 hours ago, cdemundo said:

have had the mRNA COVID vaccine and several boosters.

I haven't noticed any side-effects.

 

 

Maybe you're already dead and just don't know it?

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

Yes , you just couldn't take the *debunking " , get off your high horse !

 

You cannot debunk anything. You would need to have a basic education in the sciences first to understand the concept of virus diferentiation. Back to the social assistance  help center  with you.

As a amateur academic, o don't wish to "debunk " the statement 

 

But I do wonder what all these covid jabs were about ?

 

4 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Back to the social assistance  help center  with you.

 

 

Ouch..

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Where did you get that info from? The CDC web site?

 

Polio is cause by toxins, and a toxic environment. Nothing to do with a virus. By the way, the polio 'virus' was 'discovered' somet 120 years ago by some white-coat injecting filth into monkey's brains. Just ridiculous then. Even more so now. But they are still at it.  Not transmissible.

 

Smallpox is a general term that was given to skin eruptions (and other symptoms) for centuries. It was/is caused by environmental conditions. No virus involved what-so-ever. Not transmissible.

 

All these vaccines are pushed forward as a way for rich people to become even richer. Hopefully Kennedy will sort out the nonsense. Although I will not ne holding my breath. But there is some hope.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

 

Modern techniques have conclusively proven that polio and smallpox are caused by viruses through: Direct visualisation (electron microscopy), Isolation and cultivation, Genetic and molecular analysis, Vaccine development and immune response studies.

 

These methods not only identified the viral nature but also facilitated the development of vaccines and eradication campaigns for these diseases and include...

 

Isolation of the Viruses

Polio: In the 1900s, scientists succeeded in isolating the poliovirus from patients' spinal cord tissues and demonstrating that it could cause disease in animal models, such as monkeys.

Smallpox: The smallpox virus (variola virus) was isolated from skin lesions and shown to reproduce only in host cells, a key characteristic of viruses.

 

Electron Microscopy

Electron microscopy, introduced in the mid-20th century, provided direct visual evidence of the viruses.

Poliovirus: Appeared as small, spherical particles (approximately 27-30 nanometers).

Smallpox virus: A larger virus with a brick-like structure (about 200-300 nanometers). This imaging confirmed that these pathogens were far smaller than bacteria, fitting the definition of viruses.

 

Koch’s Postulates and Modified Criteria for Viruses

Polio: The virus was isolated, cultured in non-cellular environments (e.g., HeLa cells), and proven to reproduce in these cells, fulfilling criteria similar to Koch’s postulates for causation.

Smallpox: Infection was consistently reproduced in cell culture and suitable animal models, further confirming its viral cause.

 

Nucleic Acid Analysis

Polio: Poliovirus was identified as an RNA virus (a member of the Picornaviridae family) through the discovery of its genetic material and replication mechanisms.

Smallpox: Variola virus was identified as a DNA virus (a member of the Poxviridae family), with genome sequencing in the 1990s revealing its full genetic code.

 

Vaccination and Immune Response

Polio: The development of inactivated (Salk) and live-attenuated (Sabin) vaccines provided indirect evidence of viral causation. These vaccines successfully stimulated immune responses against poliovirus, leading to disease prevention.

Smallpox: The smallpox vaccine, derived from the related cowpox virus, worked because of immune cross-reactivity, confirming the viral origin.

 

Molecular Techniques

Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR): Used to detect viral RNA (polio) and DNA (smallpox) directly from patient samples, even at low levels.

CRISPR and Gene Editing: Modern gene-editing tools have been used to study the exact genes of these viruses responsible for pathogenicity.

 

Historical Epidemiology and Genetic Studies

Smallpox: The eradication of smallpox through vaccination further validated its viral cause, as eliminating the variola virus stopped all cases of the disease.

Polio: Ongoing genetic surveillance of poliovirus during eradication campaigns provides evidence linking the virus to outbreaks.

 

 

The issue I have with all of this discussion is now I am marginally less intelligent for even entertaining a response, let alone actually feeding your silliness.

 

But, I'll still play: 

If you are bitten by a dog - will you get a Rabies vaccination ?

If you cut yourself badly on a rusty nail - will you get a Tetanus vaccination ?