A new Monroe doctrine is unlikely to work for the US in South America

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Donald Trump wants to roll back China’s growing footprint in Latin America...

But if, or rather when, the pressure does come bearing down, don’t expect all of Latin America to respond the same way. Instead, be prepared for the region to divide less along ideological lines than geographic ones — into a northern half more tightly welded to Washington and a southern half likely to drift, especially if pushed, towards Beijing. 

https://www.ft.com/content/d2e9255d-21e2-48a8-8c13-01a5899559e2

[Yagoda]

44 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Donald Trump wants to roll back China’s growing footprint in Latin America...

But if, or rather when, the pressure does come bearing down, don’t expect all of Latin America to respond the same way. Instead, be prepared for the region to divide less along ideological lines than geographic ones — into a northern half more tightly welded to Washington and a southern half likely to drift, especially if pushed, towards Beijing. 

https://www.ft.com/content/d2e9255d-21e2-48a8-8c13-01a5899559e2

China is going broke.

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3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

China is going broke.

It's still far from broke. And in the meanwhile South Americans want to expand their trade with China. Even rightwing Milei of Argentina: 

 

Xi Jinping’s ‘strategic patience’ pays off as Argentina's Milei U-turns on China ties

President Javier Milei has surprised everyone by changing his approach to the Asian giant. Jorge Malena, a specialist in contemporary Chinese politics and international relations, explains the “realism and pragmatism” behind the La Libertad Avanza leader’s shift in stance.

https://batimes.com.ar/news/argentina/mileis-twist-and-xi-jinpings-strategic-patience-the-reasons-behind-the-governments-approach-to-china.phtml

 

 

[Jingthing]

Jinping.

Jingthing.

No relation!

[Yagoda]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's still far from broke. And in the meanwhile South Americans want to expand their trade with China. Even rightwing Milei of Argentina: 

 

Xi Jinping’s ‘strategic patience’ pays off as Argentina's Milei U-turns on China ties

President Javier Milei has surprised everyone by changing his approach to the Asian giant. Jorge Malena, a specialist in contemporary Chinese politics and international relations, explains the “realism and pragmatism” behind the La Libertad Avanza leader’s shift in stance.

https://batimes.com.ar/news/argentina/mileis-twist-and-xi-jinpings-strategic-patience-the-reasons-behind-the-governments-approach-to-china.phtml

 

 

Nothing wrong with trade as long as you dont get ripped off. That right wing Milei is doing a great job though far better than the freedom denying murderous Socialists that have so hampered the Southern continent.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Jinping.

Jingthing.

No relation!

Except Philosophicaly.

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1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Nothing wrong with trade as long as you dont get ripped off. That right wing Milei is doing a great job though far better than the freedom denying murderous Socialists that have so hampered the Southern continent.

But that's not the point.  It's about the weak leverage the U.S. has to compel South American nations to do its bidding re: China. 

[KhunLA]

Another day, another string of anti Trump threads ... 

 

On topic ... the world was a better, safer place during his 1st administration, and expect no less this administration.

 

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Just now, KhunLA said:

Another day, another string of anti Trump threads ... 

 

On topic ... the world was a better, safer place during his 1st administration, and expect no less this administration.

 

Thanks for sharing with us the logical fallacy known as "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" which translates to After this therefor because of this.  Another way to put it: correlation does not equal causation.

[Rimmer]

A troll / flame post has been removed

[gearbox]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

But that's not the point.  It's about the weak leverage the U.S. has to compel South American nations to do its bidding re: China. 

Like every bidding it is easy to outbid...provide more money.

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57 minutes ago, gearbox said:

Like every bidding it is easy to outbid...provide more money.

Outbid? This is about trade. China is a big market for these countries.

[Captain Flack]

An off topic troll post and replies have been removed.

 

@G_Money these are open forums for everyone to comment, it is not for you to try censor opinions you do not like, but claiming someone does not have the right to comment. For the second time today, discuss the topic, not other posters.

[Yagoda]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

But that's not the point.  It's about the weak leverage the U.S. has to compel South American nations to do its bidding re: China. 

The US has all the leverage in the world. China is a a paper tiger.

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3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The US has all the leverage in the world. China is a a paper tiger.

Tell that to the countries who trade with China. Like Brazil which is the biggest both in size and economy

https://tradingeconomics.com/brazil/exports-by-country

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/brazil/imports-by-country

 

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Tell that to the countries who trade with China. Like Brazil which is the biggest both in size and economy

https://tradingeconomics.com/brazil/exports-by-country

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/brazil/imports-by-country

 

LOL and tell us, what is Brazil exporting to China?

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2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

LOL and tell us, what is Brazil exporting to China?

Here's an AI overview for you

Brazil exports many products to China, including:

• Agricultural products: Brazil's main agricultural exports to China include soybeans, corn, sugar, beef, poultry, cellulose, cotton, and pork. In 2023, Brazil's agricultural exports to China reached a record $60.24 billion, accounting for 36.2% of Brazil's total agribusiness exports. 
   
• Iron ore: In 2022, Brazil exported $18.2 billion in iron ore to China. 
   
• Crude petroleum: In 2022, Brazil exported $16.8 billion in crude petroleum to China. 
   

Brazil's exports to China have increased at an annualized rate of 13.4% over the past five years. In 2023, bilateral trade between Brazil and China reached a record of $157.5 billion, with Brazil recording a surplus of $51 billion. 

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+does+brazil+export+to+china&oq=what+does+brazil+export+to+china&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDQ3MTZqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[gamb00ler]

8 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

LOL and tell us, what is Brazil exporting to China?

You don't believe anything said by anyone who disagrees with you, so why bother asking?

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16 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

You don't believe anything said by anyone who disagrees with you, so why bother asking?

I think he's living in the past when Brazil was not a major player in the world economy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

[Yagoda]

22 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

You don't believe anything said by anyone who disagrees with you, so why bother asking?

because its an important fact

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I think he's living in the past when Brazil was not a major player in the world economy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

I just asked what their major export is. now we know. Its telling to critical thinkers, but China shills can carry on.

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4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

because its an important fact

I just asked what their major export is. now we know. Its telling to critical thinkers, but China shills can carry on.

Really. And that's why you wrote this?

What exactly is so funny about Brazilian exports that it elicits an LOL from you? It's clear you were expressing disbelief.

 

[Yagoda]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Really. And that's why you wrote this?

What exactly is so funny about Brazilian exports that it elicits an LOL from you? It's clear you were expressing disbelief.

 

LOL, fine, you arent quite as smart as you think you are.

[Jingthing]

Hey Yanquis, South America is just not that into you. It's understandable. Historically they've been treated very badly and imperialistically. Different more respectful approaches are needed. 

[gearbox]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

Outbid? This is about trade. China is a big market for these countries.

It is about trade. What the Latin American countries can buy from the US which they can't buy cheaper or better quality from other countries? Sell them stuff with 60-70% discount and they may bite.

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8 minutes ago, gearbox said:

It is about trade. What the Latin American countries can buy from the US which they can't buy cheaper or better quality from other countries? Sell them stuff with 60-70% discount and they may bite.

And why would any business  do that? In fact, how could any business afford to do that? You think that government should subsidize those low prices? How would that not result in a boondoggle of massive proportions?

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

And why would any business  do that? In fact, how could any business afford to do that? You think that government should subsidize those low prices? How would that not result in a boondoggle of massive proportions?

 A business would only logically do that to flood a market to gain market share and try to starve out the competition before raising prices. A sleazy business practice but not rare.

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Just now, Jingthing said:

 A business would only logically do that to flood a market to gain market share and try to starve out the competition before raising prices. A sleazy business practice but not rare.

How many businesses are strong enough to do that? And how many businesses would be needed to have an effect on the huge scale of trade? It's unworkable. And of course, what would stop the Chinese from doing the same thing?

[gearbox]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And why would any business  do that? In fact, how could any business afford to do that? You think that government should subsidize those low prices? How would that not result in a boondoggle of massive proportions?

And if I'm a buyer why would I care what the seller can or can't afford? The Chinese are competitive and sell. Latin America needs a lot of infrastructure as well, the Chinese have mastered this subject. Look at the new port in Peru. I suspect some of the cherries and blueberries in Macro are coming through there.

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

How many businesses are strong enough to do that? And how many businesses would be needed to have an effect on the huge scale of trade? It's unworkable. And of course, what would stop the Chinese from doing the same thing?

Big ones.

Ones with government backing.

A common tactic from China. 

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2 minutes ago, gearbox said:

And if I'm a buyer why would I care what the seller can or can't afford? The Chinese are competitive and sell. Latin America needs a lot of infrastructure as well, the Chinese have mastered this subject. Look at the new port in Peru. I suspect some of the cherries and blueberries in Macro are coming through there.

There's no reason for a buyer to care and every reason for a seller to care.

And there's a lot of stuff the Chinese make that fully developed nations don't. And they can produce their goods more cheaply than can fully developed nations.