Does Trump completely lack decency and compassion?

[spidermike007]

15 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

He is correct and these outrageous policy failures will be addressed. Meanwhile, as extraordinary as it sounds, the President is Biden.

He is the president-elect, he is two weeks from taking office and it would have been appropriate for him to offer some condolences and sympathy to the thousands upon thousands of people who have been affected by these tragic fires, but he just did not have it in him. No heart, no soul Don. 

[Hummin]

19 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Such a hypocrite.

 

We all know if Trump was the sitting President you would have blamed him 100%.

 

It’s what you do best.

Maga paranoia, blaim anyone before they blaim you! The only true recipe for Magas.

 

If not it is lack of power, and weaknesses is what Trump hate most.

 

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

He is the president-elect, he is two weeks from taking office and it would have been appropriate for him to offer some condolences and sympathy to the thousands upon thousands of people who have been affected by these tragic fires, but he just did not have it in him. No heart, no soul Don. 

Avoidable tragic fires

[spidermike007]

14 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Pretty sure the last time it happened trump said it was poor forest management, old dead dry wood in cleared.... so what was done to sort the issue since last time?

Why are the hydrants dry?

But but but Trump.... trumps has called Newsom out, Buck stops with him.... thatts exactly what you'd all say if the orange was in charge.

 

Anybody who knows anything about firefighting will realize that the hydrants are designed to put out a fire of a single house or perhaps two houses on a street. They were never designed to put out major forest fires, nor raging fires consuming an entire neighborhood. 

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I very much doubt the people who have lost their homes will regard themselves as part of an ecosystem.

 

Southern California had record rainfall in 2022 and 2023, followed by the usual dry spells. The perfect conditions for a wildfire, all that was needed was a spark and wind.

 

While the winds did not reach the record levels of 2011, 100 km/hr is still very strong.

 

There is nothing fire fighters can do in such a situation, without getting themselves killed. The radiant heat from a large fire is equivalent to that of a nuke. Taxpayers would have been howling if serious money was spent on fuel reduction.

 

Yes, we are part of an eco-system. We have been pumping CO2 into the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution. It's daft to expect the eco-system will not change as a result.

 

Everyone knows Trump lays blame any time he can. He's a disgusting turd, and you can't polish a turd.

 

IMO your post is a classic case of doublethink.

I agree. And when you add in the fact that rainy season started October 15th and they barely had to drop in 3 months that's a perfect recipe for a disaster, clearing the brush would have made very little difference. 

[G_Money]

9 hours ago, Artisi said:

No, the rest of the world don't think he is, with the majority wishing he would bugger-off. 

 

This is all that counts.

 

 

[G_Money]

18 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Maga paranoia, blaim anyone before they blaim you! The only true recipe for Magas.

 

If not it is lack of power, and weaknesses is what Trump hate most.

 

That certainly makes alot of sense???

[metisdead]

Posts with derogatory nicknames, intentional misspellings, or personal remarks will be removed. Spell names correctly for all sides of the debate.

 

Some inflammatory posts and replies have been removed.

[G_Money]

11 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Anybody who knows anything about firefighting will realize that the hydrants are designed to put out a fire of a single house or perhaps two houses on a street. They were never designed to put out major forest fires, nor raging fires consuming an entire neighborhood. 

Just because you dress up like a firefighter in boyztown doesn’t make you a real firefighter.

[Mavideol]

18 hours ago, Artisi said:

Or the Greenlanders - one more reason to use military force against them. 

Let's face it, the man's a nut-case. 

nut case it's a very nice way to refer to dictator.... but he wants to follow Putin steps by invading Ukraine, Trump (for now) is going after Panama and Greenland, tomorrow maybe he would mention Canada and next week he will include Mexico, the convicted "orange) guy should be in jail

[Mavideol]

the future POTUS and his constant lies and BS... originally it was 24 hours now is "I hope to have six months."

Trump backtracks on remarks about timing to end war in Ukraine

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20250109_N02/

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

You start out by saying that you doubt that the people who lost their homes "will regard themselves as part of an ecosystem," and then a few paragraphs later  you admit "we are part of an ecosystem."  That doesn't make much sense.

 

Whether the people who lost homes consider themselves part of an ecosystem, that's where they live.  In the ecosystem. Fires go with the territory, especially when that territory has been neglected and mismanaged. 

 

As for the firefighters and the fire?  They say there was no water for the hydrants.  Instead of filling reservoirs with water, they allowed it to drain away into the ocean to "save the environment" for some fish or whatever.  And the city apparently made little effort lately to actively manage the brush.  The mayor's focus was DEI, and, to add insult to injury, she had previously cut the budget for the fire department. So call it what you want, I call it incompetence and neglect. 

 

 

 

 

The people who have lost their homes are governed by emotion. That's why they would reject the idea of being part of an ecosystem. You would probably feel the same way if you had lost your home.

 

You are talking about two completely impractical propositions. The first is fuel reduction in inaccessible terrain such as ravines. Clearing forest litter is useless once a fire is in the forest canopy. What are you going to do, chop down all the trees?

 

The second is the fire hydrants. They are located in the suburbs. They are not in the forest, conveniently positioned for water tankers. By the time a mobile tanker is refilled, it's too late with 100 km/hr winds fanning the fire. It would not have mattered even if there was ample water.

 

Call it incompetence and neglect if you want. I call it an inevitable result of climate change, and every insurance company on the planet agrees with me.

[Mavideol]

WATCH: Trump promises to ‘settle’ war in Ukraine if elected

 

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-trump-promises-to-settle-war-in-ukraine-if-elected

[Mavideol]

Trump revises Ukraine peace timeline, FT reports

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-revises-ukraine-peace-timeline-213200777.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

[Jingthing]

29 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

the future POTUS and his constant lies and BS... originally it was 24 hours now is "I hope to have six months."

Trump backtracks on remarks about timing to end war in Ukraine

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20250109_N02/

 

Wait for his statement years from now -- I've got a CONCEPT of a plan to end that war.

Why anyone believes that shyster about anything he promises continues to amaze me.

[jas007]

35 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The people who have lost their homes are governed by emotion. That's why they would reject the idea of being part of an ecosystem. You would probably feel the same way if you had lost your home.

 

You are talking about two completely impractical propositions. The first is fuel reduction in inaccessible terrain such as ravines. Clearing forest litter is useless once a fire is in the forest canopy. What are you going to do, chop down all the trees?

 

The second is the fire hydrants. They are located in the suburbs. They are not in the forest, conveniently positioned for water tankers. By the time a mobile tanker is refilled, it's too late with 100 km/hr winds fanning the fire. It would not have mattered even if there was ample water.

 

Call it incompetence and neglect if you want. I call it an inevitable result of climate change, and every insurance company on the planet agrees with me.

 

The fires usually start in the brush, not in the forest canopy.  The brush should be periodically cleared, and the county knows it, the city knows it, and the state knows.  And yet those governing bodies seemed to have other priorities.

 

As for the fire hydrants?  Don't you think some of those houses might have been saved if the fire hydrants worked?  

 

Finally, do you know about California Proposition 1, I think, that was passed by the voters in 2014 and which provided that the state spend billions of dollars on new reservoirs and water infrastructure?  And yet here we are, 10 years later, and do you know how many new reservoirs have been built? ZERO. None.  What happened to the money?

 

As for climate change and insurance companies?  In July, State Farm cancelled the homeowners insurance policies in many of the affected areas.  Climate change?  I hardly think so.  That's just another Deep State boogeyman used as a tactic to induce fear and government control. Rather, the insurance companies knew full well that for every season the hillside maintenance was neglected, the risk of fire increased astronomically. California law apparently prohibits or makes it difficult to increase premiums on homeowners insurance, and so to protect themselves, the insurance companies just cancelled the policies.

 

And finally, I'm sure the people living in those areas pay some of the highest property taxes.  For all that money, don't you think it's reasonable for them to assume that in return they would receive competent protection against a known risk?  These types of fires happen all the time.  The best that can be done is to try to manage the risk.  It's not rocket science. 

 

Everyone assumes that the government will provide all the basic services. That's their function. That's their job. That's what people pay for.  When you call 911, you assume the cops will come in short order.  When you call for an ambulance, you assume an ambulance will arrive, sirens blaring.  If you call to report a fire, you assume the fire department can and will handle it.  Or what about air traffic control or licensed pilots?  Don't you assume that, when you fly somewhere, the pilot is competent? That the air traffic control  people know what they're doing?  

 

The people running the show weren't doing their job.  

[Yellowtail]

"On November 4, 2014, California voters approved Proposition 1, the Water Quality, Supply, and Infrastructure Improvement Act of 2014. The measure enacted the Water Quality, Supply, and Infrastructure Improvement Act of 2014. Proposition 1 authorized the issuance of $7.12 billion in general obligation bonds for state water supply infrastructure projects, such as public water system improvements"

 

"A "yes" vote supported issuing $7.12 billion in bonds for water supply infrastructure projects, including; water storage, dams, and reservoirs, drinking water quality improvements, and water recycling and flood management."

 

 

 

 

 

All anyone needs to know about the incompetence of Gavin and California government is look at the high-speed rail project.

 

• Proposition 1A passed in 2008
• Awarded federal stimulus funds in 2010
• Construction contracts began to be awarded in 2013
• Construction stated January 2015.
• Original projected completion: 2021
• Original budget: $10 billion
• Current projected completion: 2030-2033
• Current projected budget: $28-35 billion

 

Most recent update, not from the state:

''The Merced–Bakersfield line is expected to be finished between 2030 and 2033, with passenger service starting around that time. However, the project's CEO has said that another $100 billion may be needed to finish the project, and some engineers and project managers believe it may not be completed in the 21st century.''

 

Ledd than 250km of rail. It is worth noting, that over 160 years ago, we, the United States, built the 3,000km transcontinental railroad in five years, basically with picks, shovels and explosives. 

[Lacessit]

6 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 

 

 

As for climate change and insurance companies?  In July, State Farm cancelled the homeowners insurance policies in many of the affected areas.  Climate change?  I hardly think so.  That's just another Deep State boogeyman used as a tactic to induce fear and government control. Rather, the insurance companies knew full well that for every season the hillside maintenance was neglected, the risk of fire increased astronomically. California law apparently prohibits or makes it difficult to increase premiums on homeowners insurance, and so to protect themselves, the insurance companies just cancelled the policies.

 

 

You don't seem to understand climate change is not a boogeyman, it's real. Sea levels on the eastern seaboard of America have risen over the last decade by 6 inches. Australia has set records in its interior over the same time frame for heat cells.

 

Over the last two decades, the average rate of melt from the Greenland ice cap has been 280 GIGATONS of ice loss.

 

You think the behavior of insurance companies is confined to California? It's happening all over, check out the cost of flood insurance in Florida. They have entire departments dedicated to risk assessment.

 

Trump is on record as offering the fossil fuel industry a free hand in return for a donation of $1 billion. He's part of the problem, not the solution. So are you.

[G_Money]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

Trump revises Ukraine peace timeline, FT reports

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-revises-ukraine-peace-timeline-213200777.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

So Trump may revise the timeline.  Big f-ing deal.

 

With Biden there was NO TIMELINE.

[frank83628]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Anybody who knows anything about firefighting will realize that the hydrants are designed to put out a fire of a single house or perhaps two houses on a street. They were never designed to put out major forest fires, nor raging fires consuming an entire neighborhood. 

Ah, so its irrelevant they went dry then, nothig to see here. perhaps some infrastructure should have been put in place  no? Its not as if its the first time.

At least thuse little fish are safe.

[G_Money]

12 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You don't seem to understand climate change is not a boogeyman, it's real. Sea levels on the eastern seaboard of America have risen over the last decade by 6 inches. Australia has set records in its interior over the same time frame for heat cells.

 

Over the last two decades, the average rate of melt from the Greenland ice cap has been 280 GIGATONS of ice loss.

 

You think the behavior of insurance companies is confined to California? It's happening all over, check out the cost of flood insurance in Florida. They have entire departments dedicated to risk assessment.

 

Trump is on record as offering the fossil fuel industry a free hand in return for a donation of $1 billion. He's part of the problem, not the solution. So are you.

Nothing to do with the California firestorm.

 

You know it.  Just more leftists tree hugging propaganda.

[frank83628]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

Yet another outright lie. Unfortunately trump cannot be banned from the Presidency due to prior cowardice by Republicans refusing to stand up and fulfil their Oath to abide by the Constitution. 

 

Facts First: This is false. Newsom has never refused to sign a “water restoration declaration.” In fact, there is no such document, as Newsom’s office said on social media on Wednesday and experts on California water policy confirmed.

“There was no ‘water restoration declaration’ for him to sign,” Jeffrey Mount, a senior fellow in the Water Policy Center at the Public Policy Institute of California think tank, said in a Wednesday interview.

“There was never a ‘water restoration declaration’ in California that the Governor refused to sign,” Brent Haddad, an environmental studies professor at the University of California, Santa Cruz, said in a Wednesday email.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/09/politics/fact-check-trump-california-wildfires-fema/index.html

 

Don't know what your reply is its a blank white screen... or maybe that's better that actually having to read it

[jas007]

39 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You don't seem to understand climate change is not a boogeyman, it's real. Sea levels on the eastern seaboard of America have risen over the last decade by 6 inches. Australia has set records in its interior over the same time frame for heat cells.

 

Over the last two decades, the average rate of melt from the Greenland ice cap has been 280 GIGATONS of ice loss.

 

You think the behavior of insurance companies is confined to California? It's happening all over, check out the cost of flood insurance in Florida. They have entire departments dedicated to risk assessment.

 

Trump is on record as offering the fossil fuel industry a free hand in return for a donation of $1 billion. He's part of the problem, not the solution. So are you.

Climate change may be real, but there's some question as to whether the changes we're now seeing are just small blips in the grand scheme of things, or significant.  Over millions and millions of yers, the earth's climate has fluctuated.  

 

This article is interesting and contains a long term chart of the earth's temperature going back millions of years.  From the looks of it, we may be entering another ice age.  Of course, we'll ll be long gone by the time anyone finds out.  Maybe we could use more CO2, not less.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidbressan/2024/09/22/new-study-shows-485-million-years-of-earths-temperature/

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, G_Money said:

This is all that counts.

 

 

You're the one who brought  the rest of the world into the discussion, or did you purposely forget that? 

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

the future POTUS and his constant lies and BS... originally it was 24 hours now is "I hope to have six months."

Trump backtracks on remarks about timing to end war in Ukraine

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20250109_N02/

 

Trump is equivalent to the drover's dog, all p1ss and wind. 

[G_Money]

2 minutes ago, Artisi said:

You're the one who brought  the rest of the world into the discussion, or did you purposely forget that? 

 

Been so busy recently with replies I may of forgotten.

 

Please quote me.

 

Regardless,  my reply to you was accurate 

 

Whole lotta red.

[Yellowtail]

51 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Trump is on record as offering the fossil fuel industry a free hand in return for a donation of $1 billion. He's part of the problem, not the solution. So are you.

Do you have anything that supports this claim, or are you just regurgitating nonsense? 

[G_Money]

2 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Trump is equivalent to the drover's dog, all p1ss and wind. 

Now now.  Who’s drover?  I thought Biden’s dog was named Sarge.

[G_Money]

43 minutes ago, G_Money said:

So Trump may revise the timeline.  Big f-ing deal.

 

With Biden there was NO TIMELINE.

No problem.  Trump will resolve and finish what Biden has failed to do, over and over again.

[Artisi]

17 hours ago, G_Money said:

Link not working.

 

Can you explain in your own words or is this too complicated for you?

 

Biden’s done nothing.  How do you explain that for the current President.

 

Trump isn’t President for 10 more days but I’m flattered that you think he is now.  Just like the rest of the world thinks he is.

 To overcome your forgetfullness, simply read the last line of your post. 

And don't forget the only just over 50% of the votes went to your hero trump - that means really half of the people didn't want him.